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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Only on paper not in practice.
    All the comparos back in 2008, the C63 had the quickest 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 miles times.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    That's my point! @Sticky , you are already $#@!ing about the rumored stats but the new M3/M4 will probably be down in HP to the C class AMG the same amount it is now so whats the big deal?
    Someone has to keep BMW in check. I'm not a fan of playing second fiddle and BMW used to put in more effort. I remain optimistic but they have been on a downward swing and this horsepower rumor in my opinion continues it. Especially considering their models are getting fat.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    We already know the F8x M3 will be lighter than the e9x M3 based on the regular 3 series. Even more so since it will be going from the V8 to the new V6tt. I bet it will be in the 150 to 200lb range.
    You do know the S65 V8 was lighter than the 6 cylinder it replaced that did not have turbos, right?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    I'm not putting the car down, I'm saying that the M3 was down in HP/torques compared to the C63 before and will be again. I don't know why everyone is so surprised about that....
    Because the cylinder and displacement disadvantage now becomes even bigger.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Nope, it is a pig.
    Word.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
    Calm down. Like BMW is going to bring some bullsh_t to market (F07 GT not included)! It is a new M3, look at the fender flares. If you can't get excited about that and the power that it implies then you are not tuned in at all. Give them credit. They will not mess up the M3. And BMW is trying to work with the current and future emissions just like everyone else. V6 is not going to happen. Just like BMW is not going to ditch the 3 Series for the 4 Series which is for a lineup priced above the 3 Series and allows them to enter new niches for them.
    They did bull$#@! like the 5GT and the 1M plus cancelling the M sports car so I have little faith as of right now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    I guess that died with the e46 M3..you know, before that 4000 lb tank called the e92 came out.Click here to enlarge I kid...or do I?Click here to enlarge
    It actually is about 355X pounds.

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    just wait for the car to be released... rumors will be rumors until the car comes out. i just hope they dont $#@! up one of the few good things they had
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rezin23 Click here to enlarge
    There is a RWD mode on the 2012 model, and you can remove the AWD components to save weight.
    On the other hand 4 wheels get the power to the ground a lot better making AWD quicker 90% of the time. Especially with tuned GTR, there is a lot of power looking for finding some traction. Depends where you live, of course. In my case AWD is always quicker. Especially on ice, snow and wet...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Nope, it is a pig.
    No, the big Mercs are pigs compared to the new M5. M5 beats E-series E63 AMG PP (performance package) clearly.

    Similarly, the new M3 will beat C63AMG.

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    Regarding 3-series weights, E46 is heavy compared to E36. In the last couple of decades there is the trend of people not fond of being killed. So the demand (and authorities) require better safety, which means more structural stiffness and more mass. M3 E92 is not heavy at all considering the increased safety to the predecessor. From now on the preferred level of safety is achieved and the enhancements in tech and materials can keep the weight at least not increasing, even though there is still the trend of growing the new versions' dimensions a bit. What makes driving BMW enjoyable is the relatively low weight and agility compared to the competitors of the same era.

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    Guys, don't confuse the low revving M3 with the high revving F1 engines Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    No, the big Mercs are pigs compared to the new M5. M5 beats E-series E63 AMG PP (performance package) clearly.

    Similarly, the new M3 will beat C63AMG.
    See the lap times of the Merc VS new M5 in the table in this thread:
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ared-lap-times

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    See the lap times of the Merc VS new M5 in the table in this thread:
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...ared-lap-times
    The F10 M5 has won every comparo so far. Not to bad for being a fat pig. Actually, it beat all the "real" M cars also...interesting...HMMM...

    Side note: Check out the 1Ms time compared to the M3. Click here to enlarge
    ​#Chuckstrong

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You do know the S65 V8 was lighter than the 6 cylinder it replaced that did not have turbos, right?
    Yes, and unless they are going to use that same engine in the next M3, you argument is pointless...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It actually is about 355X pounds.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    No, the big Mercs are pigs compared to the new M5. M5 beats E-series E63 AMG PP (performance package) clearly.

    Similarly, the new M3 will beat C63AMG.
    The M5 is heavier than the E63 I believe.

    The M5 likely doesn't beat the Performance Package E63.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    Yes, and unless they are going to use that same engine in the next M3, you argument is pointless...
    Nope, you were arguing it would be lighter because it is a 6 cylinder instead of 8 and my point was to show you that isn't necessarily evidence of potential weight.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    What makes driving BMW enjoyable is the relatively low weight and agility compared to the competitors of the same era.
    Yep and unfortunately that is changing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The M5 is heavier than the E63 I believe. The M5 likely doesn't beat the Performance Package E63.
    M5 has beaten E63 AMG PP in all tracks so far.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    M5 has beaten E63 AMG PP in all tracks so far.
    You mean roadcourse?

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    who came up with V6 rumor anyway?
    Some people live long, meaningful lives.

    Other people eat shit and die.

    I'm not racist, I hate everybody equally; especially fat people.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You mean roadcourse?
    Yes in Sachsenring and two Hockenheim layouts. M5 is faster in straight line as well though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rezin23 Click here to enlarge
    If this indeed does come with a V6 I will leave the brand. This would offer nothing over the GTR.
    true...my next car is either gonna be the new M3 or the GTR..I would love drive another BMW, but the way things are shaping up, it looks like BMW isnt doing enough to keep me as a customer...unless of course I can afford the M5 Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
    Yes in Sachsenring and two Hockenheim layouts. M5 is faster in straight line as well though.
    the M5 is faster in the 1/4 mile..after that the Merc starts catching up quickly...theres a vid somewhere here i think

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