Thread: BMW M admits the new turbo motors do not match the previous naturally aspirated motors and that they want their own car
11-03-2011, 02:47 PM #26
I like the S62 and S85 in the old M5s !
I miss the times when everyone watched me with envy as i drove a 2001 E39 M5... back in 2006...
a year later when everyone was like WTF when i rolled in a E60 M5....
I have limited interest in the F10.... so sorry... and all the F-series don't really charm me...
I'll just stick with my E34... plenty of parts lying around and i can swap a S85 in it if i want
11-03-2011, 03:10 PM #27Member
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I seems to me that Berg. is saying that turbo is the way to go and with a little time and learning it will surpass there n/a engines in response. In BMW's defense and something i have come to terms with is, it is not particularly BMW wanting to go this route but regulations and the larger customer base forcing them to. Building n/a engines for these heavy cars is simply to much of a demand. Enthusiest are asking 600hp, regualtions are asking for better mpg, enthusiast are asking for more luxury and space, purists want better handling, independant magazine comparos are looking at time slips and paper racers are looking at numbers, etc. What is BMW to do? They have to satisfy there largest % of buyers. On top of all of this BMW is in a competition and needs to keep cost down and make profits. BMW M would never survive with BMW's entire fleet of base models being turbo cars and their M's being n/a. They would all need S70's pushing around 45,00 lb cars and we know what the mpg was in the F1.
11-03-2011, 05:17 PM #28
I've said many times, dont blame the business blame the market demand. Business can only survive if they sell $#@!, and people will only buy what they want. It's a symbiotic relationship that is controlled by the demand for products, you cant blame a business at all for reacting to a market.Some people live long, meaningful lives.
Other people eat shit and die.
I'm not racist, I hate everybody equally; especially fat people.
11-03-2011, 08:53 PM #29
Nobody ever said the motors were the reason the cars handled well but a high revving NA motor is what gives that race car experience. Porsche gets it and the GT3 outhandles the turbo significantly being the better drivers car as well due to mimicking what M used to do, high revving, rwd drive, and lighter than the competition.
M cars aren't designed to compete with Lexus, what are you talking about?
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11-03-2011, 08:56 PM #31
There are many things that are appealing about the change as well so I definitely see your point.
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11-05-2011, 11:33 AM #36Member
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"It is kind of odd to see the head of M product development say the turbo motors do not match their previous naturally aspirated motors."Big difference between a actual quotation and an interpretative summation.Fact is, in the real world, the turbo cars are out performing the non-turbo cars. And we don't even have to mention the most important quotation, "We're getting damn close to matching the response of a naturally aspirated engine but with much lower fuel consumption." Italics are mine for those who don't recognize this phrase's supreme importance.
11-05-2011, 03:50 PM #37