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    First performance numbers for the F10 M5 are in - 0-60 in 3.7 and the 1/4 mile in 12.0@122, compares well with new 63 AMG's

    Car and Driver has brought us the meat of what we want to see regarding the new F10 M5, the performance numbers. They tested it at 12.0@122 which is not bad. With proper rubber and conditions this is an easy 11 second car stock. This is roughly a 7 mph trap speed gain on the previous generation E60 M5 which had roughly a 7 mph trap speed gain on the E39 M5 it replaced. We had hoped the car would be closer to the ~125 range though especially with the DCT.

    The car compares favorably with the new M157 twin turbo V8 based 63 AMG cars from Mercedes. Motortrend tested a performance package version of the CLS63 AMG at 12.1@121. The E63 AMG however is lighter than the CLS (Which the new M5 weighs almost the same as) and also has the performance package available so it is likely that it will be close between the E63 AMG and the F10 M5 stock with the edge likely going in the E63's favor with the performance package.

    It will be interesting to see which one will be faster with a tune as the performance package does not leave much to improve on. In this respect, the M5 should have the edge when power is added also considering its faster transmission. Either way, we have a heck of an epic battle brewing that will go back and forth for some time to come.

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    That's some rediculously good times for such a heavy ass sedan. Gives me something to shoot for.

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    Will be interesting to see once these things start to get tuned.

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    Damn that $#@! is fast stock.

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    Looks like the M5 is a bit cheaper, especially if you consider the PP AMG.
    I still can't get over the M5s fake engine noise BS piped over the radio.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by P31-C63 Click here to enlarge
    Looks like the M5 is a bit cheaper, especially if you consider the PP AMG.
    I still can't get over the M5s fake engine noise BS piped over the radio.
    You can turn it off

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It will be interesting to see which one will be faster with a tune as the performance package does not leave much to improve on. In this respect, the M5 should have the edge also as power is added with its faster transmission. Either way, we have a heck of an epic battle brewing that will go back and forth for some time to come.
    You don't think the larger displacement of the E63 will be some advantage?
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    damn that thing hauls ass. could probably keep up with some older ferrari's and gallardo's.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by P31-C63 Click here to enlarge
    Looks like the M5 is a bit cheaper, especially if you consider the PP AMG.
    I still can't get over the M5s fake engine noise BS piped over the radio.
    The fake engine noise is pretty lame, agreed. Mercedes wins the engine sound department hands down. When you have to resort to faking it, someone isn't getting the job done. Fortunately none of my girlfriends ever said that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    You don't think the larger displacement of the E63 will be some advantage?
    Yes, but the turbos are really the limitation which the performance package is pushing to just about their limit. So, Mercedes really is taking a chunk out of the aftermarket offering their own "tune" but that isn't doing anything top of the M5 in the 1/4 mile thus far. The E63 should be able to do around 124 traps I would think with the PP and it's hard to get more.

    So, the M5 with a tune will definitely pick up more than 2 MPH. I think with the stock turbos the M5 appears to have more headroom. That is how I'm calling it...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yukohama Click here to enlarge
    damn that thing hauls ass. could probably keep up with some older ferrari's and gallardo's.
    It would eat an 04-06 Gallardo alive and only need to fear the newer V10's.

    This will also outpace an F430 in the real world and a 458 won't pull away until higher speeds.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It would eat an 04-06 Gallardo alive and only need to fear the newer V10's, and turbo'd e36's.

    This will also outpace an F430 in the real world and a 458 won't pull away until higher speeds.
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    The turbos for the new M5 give it more headroom for power mods. Tune and meth and 11.0. Try and do that with an S85, good luck.

    The engine noise is for the metrosexuals that buy this car and dont know any better. If I ever bought this car, I would rip the speaker system out so it never plays fake engine noise, ever.
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    These are amazing times. I was just reading up about this car in EVO magazine. It seems awesome, especially with the DCT trans.

    A couple things: The F10 M5 has a blistering fast 0-100 mph time, but it has a so-so 1/4 time. That suggests something to me. First, let me say, for a car of this size, a 12.0 second 1/4 mile is awesome and obviously the car is faster on a preppred track with DR's--obviously. But, when you have an 8.3 second 0-100 mile time but a 12.0 second 1/4 mile time at 122 mph, that suggests the car starts to slow down after 100 mph.

    And this isn't unusual for F/I cars. While the last generation engine (V10) would begin to breath it's massive lungs and individual throttle bodies at the higher speeds and ultimately be able to walk the M156, this engine shows the potential to fizzle out. I don't see this engine being a top end monster.

    To put things into perspective, an M156-equipped E63 has recorded I believe a 9.2-9.4 0-100 mph time (by Evo magazine, Chris Harris mentioned this some months back). The F10 M5 records an 8.3 second 0-100 mph time. The M5 destroys the N/A E63 to 100 mph, but the E63 has run 12.0 second 1/4, stock, and has trapped 119 mph. So, where the new M5 starts to slow down, the older N/A engines start to pick up.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes, but the turbos are really the limitation which the performance package is pushing to just about their limit. So, Mercedes really is taking a chunk out of the aftermarket offering their own "tune" but that isn't doing anything top of the M5 in the 1/4 mile thus far. The E63 should be able to do around 124 traps I would think with the PP and it's hard to get more.

    So, the M5 with a tune will definitely pick up more than 2 MPH. I think with the stock turbos the M5 appears to have more headroom. That is how I'm calling it...
    So, it may be looking like the aftermarket for these cars is going to be verrrrrrry expensive. When you want to see higher traps then lets say 128 mph, you're going to have to look into new turbos, maybe IC, maybe oil delivery, fuel pumps. It could get real expensive real fast. But, it will happen.

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    how can 5-60 take MORE time than 0-60?? that's weird

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    So, it may be looking like the aftermarket for these cars is going to be verrrrrrry expensive. When you want to see higher traps then lets say 128 mph, you're going to have to look into new turbos, maybe IC, maybe oil delivery, fuel pumps. It could get real expensive real fast. But, it will happen.
    I dont see how the aftermarket for this car can be more expensive? Aftermarket power mods for a turbo car is orders of magnitude cheaper per horsepower than for an NA car at this price point.

    Headers for the S85 are like 6000 and you will only get what, maybe 20 hp from them? A chip, something like a JB4, for this car will cost at most 1 grand and net you a good 100 hp or more. And meth, and DPs, everything is expounded on a turbo car.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    I dont see how the aftermarket for this car can be more expensive? Aftermarket power mods for a turbo car is orders of magnitude cheaper per horsepower than for an NA car at this price point.

    Headers for the S85 are like 6000 and you will only get what, maybe 20 hp from them? A chip, something like a JB4, for this car will cost at most 1 grand and net you a good 100 hp or more. And meth, and DPs, everything is expounded on a turbo car.
    Good point about the DP's. I forgot about that.

    Do you know the size of the stock turbos on the F10?

    Edit: Once you go beyond DP's and a new tune you're still stuck with the stock turbos' size. How much extra boost can these stock turbos make without creating too much heat and possibly wearing out prematurely?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    how can 5-60 take MORE time than 0-60?? that's weird


    For 0-60 they can use LC or clutch dumps (not in this case) for an optimum launch. For 5-60 the "clutch" is already out - cannot take advantage of higher RPMs to be in the meat of the power, etc… It's a roll vs. a launch - roll is more "realistic" and repeatable.


    Hope that makes sense.

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    This 0-100 time is a good indicator of how fast this car really is... Just as a comparison, the F430 Spyder runs this in 9 flat... This is a VERY fast 4 door car - almost unbelievable for a stock car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    So, it may be looking like the aftermarket for these cars is going to be verrrrrrry expensive. When you want to see higher traps then lets say 128 mph, you're going to have to look into new turbos, maybe IC, maybe oil delivery, fuel pumps. It could get real expensive real fast. But, it will happen.
    It is going to be cheaper and faster to get big gains early one vs. say the S85 which still doesn't have a reliable big power option other than G-power which is big money.

    This should be able to get close to the 130's with the stock turbos at least. After that, yes, it will get expensive.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
    how can 5-60 take MORE time than 0-60?? that's weird
    No it isn't, low speed roll at low RPM vs. a launch from 0 with high RPM. 5-60 is always slower, especially on turbo cars.

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    The F10 M5 S63B44tu Biturbo vs. E63 M157PP biturbo battle would be interesting. The new 2012 CLS63 Mercs suspension seems to be a HUGE improvement & it handles just as good as some BMW I've driven. Also, the M157 with a tune (I.e. RENNtech, or Performance Package) it's insane like a rocket at the track & road course. IMHO, the F10 M5 comes already with 10:1cr compression & 1.5 bar so any increase in overboost will be interesting with a tune as well (only time will tell =)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
    The F10 M5 S63B44tu Biturbo vs. E63 M157PP biturbo battle would be interesting. The new 2012 CLS63 Mercs suspension seems to be a HUGE improvement & it handles just as good as some BMW I've driven. Also, the M157 with a tune (I.e. RENNtech, or Performance Package) it's insane like a rocket at the track & road course. IMHO, the F10 M5 comes already with 10:1cr compression & 1.5 bar so any increase in overboost will be interesting with a tune as well (only time will tell =)
    You raise a really good point, not like the M5 isn't running a ton of boost and higher compression.

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    The M157 should be a formidable opponent. I witnessed Jeremy@OE Tuning wring out 508whp with just some minor reflashing on a CLS....what a freakin monster.

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