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    Direct Port Meth Setup

    Sorry if you have already seen this thread on one of the other forums, but if you haven't please post your thoughts/opinions/criticisms. Thanks!

    I wanted to share some pics of a project I have been working on in my spare time for a few weeks now. I have seen other setups like this utilizing the stock composite intake manifold on boosted applications, many of which held up very well to the pressures they were subjected to.


    For those with questions on what kind of methods I used to fabricate this setup, it is basically a lot of patience and some steel impregnated super high strength epoxy. Setting the angles requires a drill press and patience. I also did not just go drilling willy-nilly, every injector is at the precise placement (in my opinion) for proper atomization before entering the cylinder.


    I feel this is the only way to make sure every cylinder gets the proper benefits from methanol injection. Also it should help clean up the gunk that likes to accumulate on the intake valves. I plan on installing just the manifold with plugs in the injector bungs to make sure there are no leaks and to be sure everything will be good with boost, but I really have no worries about it holding together.


    I will be running 2 pumps to 2 distribution blocks. 1 pump per 3 cylinders of course, supplying 3 250cc injectors. I plan on bridging the distribution blocks so the pressure will be equal to all 6 cylinders and thus make sure every cylinder is getting the same pressure and thus volume of methanol/water.


    I will be purchasing the pumps/rest of the setup soon and will post up results. Let me know what you think!




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    Cool dude. Looks nice.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Twinturbom3 Click here to enlarge
    Keep on jealousing.

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    I was going to post this, glad to see you did it.

    Very, very nice!

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    So what benefit is this over lets say injecting into the charge pipe / tube / area... just more standardized flow to all the cylinders? Anything else?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by joshj84 Click here to enlarge
    So what benefit is this over lets say injecting into the charge pipe / tube / area... just more standardized flow to all the cylinders? Anything else?
    Even distribution which is kind of a big deal.

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    This does not cool the air charge very much but yes it does help with equal distribution. I am going for more of a fueling upgrade instead of cooling the air charge. I might run another m5 nozzle before the AIT sensor to help cool the charge a little, and running a shot of nitrous before the AIT will help too.

    But yes running a lot of methanol pre-TB does not assure that every cylinder is getting equal amounts of methanol. Since I am going for big power I want to make sure every cylinder has sufficient fuel to keep from things going "wrong".

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    It's a Pretty nice setup but that's the easy part. 2 or 3 or 6 solenoids wired to 1 or 2 pumps sounds like a hell of a lot of points of failure. I'd definitely run stainless lines and make a super rugged setup with the 6 direct port nozzles. It'll b tough to find the correct nozzle size and meth concentration to avoid bogging.

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    Ah okay! See I was curious what the motivation was behind doing a setup like this so that explanation helps out on the reasoning.

    I understand that the even distribution is a big deal but I didn't understand what prompted this till now.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jb's335 Click here to enlarge
    This does not cool the air charge very much but yes it does help with equal distribution. I am going for more of a fueling upgrade instead of cooling the air charge. I might run another m5 nozzle before the AIT sensor to help cool the charge a little, and running a shot of nitrous before the AIT will help too.

    But yes running a lot of methanol pre-TB does not assure that every cylinder is getting equal amounts of methanol. Since I am going for big power I want to make sure every cylinder has sufficient fuel to keep from things going "wrong".

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    Its obvious we are running out of fuel, so I decided to up the ante. I do not have the expertise to create an entire standalone fuel rail with actual gasoline. By using methanol it is a lot easier. It is not nearly as precise as an actual fuel rail but it is a start...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jb's335 Click here to enlarge
    Its obvious we are running out of fuel, so I decided to up the ante. I do not have the expertise to create an entire standalone fuel rail with actual gasoline. By using methanol it is a lot easier. It is not nearly as precise as an actual fuel rail but it is a start...
    great work man, keep it up...let us know how it goes for sure
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    How did this go?
    I'm interested to know after seeing this M5
    http://www.boostaddict.com/content.p...900-horsepower

    Meth is still the best option here in the UK over ethanol for fueling.
    Best:12.2179@120.59mph FBO+Meth (2.14 60ft Click here to enlarge)

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    Good job on the DP Meth setup. This is THE BEST route for secondary injection of any fuel. Nitrous, Meth, Gasoline, and etc. Those ports for the Jets, are they plastic welded on there? if so good jobe on that. because it almost looks like they came on the manifold like that, haha.

    What are you using for a controller? i am VERY partial to the Snow Performance Stage 3 Diesel injection controller.

    http://www.snowperformance.net/Stage...er-p/60300.htm

    you will love that!!!! just an option.... especially since is can control two nozzles. perfectr for your base setup.
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    I love how the hoses are tucked under the mani..your turned that into a clean execution rather then a bowl of spaghetti lol. Super clean but im curious to see results. Guys were blowing up stock manifolds with 1 or 2 meth nozzles ...but you have 6 or 7? Haha crazy

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AWSAWS Click here to enlarge
    How did this go?
    I'm interested to know after seeing this M5
    http://www.boostaddict.com/content.p...900-horsepower

    Meth is still the best option here in the UK over ethanol for fueling.
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing Click here to enlarge
    I love how the hoses are tucked under the mani..your turned that into a clean execution rather then a bowl of spaghetti lol. Super clean but im curious to see results. Guys were blowing up stock manifolds with 1 or 2 meth nozzles ...but you have 6 or 7? Haha crazy

    If you dyno the car make sure theres a camera on that engine bay Click here to enlarge

    This thread is from 2011, lol...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jyamona@motiv Click here to enlarge
    This thread is from 2011, lol...

    LMFAO, damn you. haha. i didnt even look at the date!! lol
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    lol 3000gt MR is your guy for direct port methanol questions
    2008 e92 335i: JB4 G5 ISO/BMS back end flash, fbo, e85, inlets, Rb turbos, level 10 valve body + converter, water/methanol.....and a lot more....

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    I wish he would have updated. I wanted to look into doing something like this with a lot of small nozzles and the JB4 controlling it instead of CP injection.

    I was thinking about doing 6 x CM3 nozzles, one in each runner, with just 1 solenoid to control them all and a distribution block.

    Hell I might just buy a used manifold on eBay just to try it.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jyamona@motiv Click here to enlarge
    This thread is from 2011, lol...
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TwistedTuning Click here to enlarge
    LMFAO, damn you. haha. i didnt even look at the date!! lol
    Damnit. Hahah

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    @Terry@BMS - any issues you can see with the JB4 and 1 solenoid controlling meth flow to 6 CM3 nozzles? Just purchased the stuff I'll need for this...

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    This looks like an awesome, but time consuming DIY. Definitely cheaper then buying a PI manifold though!
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    Old thread but goes to show the lengths people were going for supplemental fuel.

    As stated, direct port anything is the way to go. Nobody did a direct port nitrous setup which would have been cool to see.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Nobody did a direct port nitrous setup which would have been cool to see.
    Did someone say Direct Port Nitrous!?!Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by justa335i Click here to enlarge
    Did someone say Direct Port Nitrous!?!Click here to enlarge

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    I am concerned that if one of my nozzles clogs that cylinder will be exposed to more detonation. That wouldn't happen with a 2 nozzle CP setup.

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