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    Why are dealership techs as dumb as bricks?

    So my 'in' dealership is starting to give me issues...the shop foreskin $#@! is really starting to crack down on after market parts. They saw a USB cable sitting in one of my customers glovebox and refused to work on his car. I had left it in the kick panel, completely out of the DME box.

    Then he says it has a pair of aftermarket tubes on the turbos...oh you mean downpipes? Can't diagnose rough running problem then, car has to be stock, oh and btw the car is too low, won't look at it til you put the stock suspension back in.

    I swear it's a bunch of retards. I went and popped in two new injectors and the car immediately ran 80% better. Guess somehow downpipes affect the injectors even with no tune in the car.

    I still suspect another injector to be giving some issues so I will be on the hunt for it and replace it as well.

    Meanwhile the noob tech saidmcar was running fine the whole time, but when I picked it up from the dealer it was still on 5 cylinders. Hd to call a flatbed to come get it.


    Have another customers car who had starting issues, thought it was the hpfp but I'm starting to lean towards the battery because you can't even leave the ignition on for 20 seconds before you get a red battery light.


    My SA was on vacation so the dumb ass handling his work gave the car to another noob tech. Work denied again because he has 'aftermarket exhaust, downpipes and charge pipe, which is affecting starting and charging performance. Also noticed resistor in DME box'.

    Hey you guys, better remove your DP fixes! It causes your battery to go dead! Terry has been lying to you guys the whole time!!!Click here to enlargefacepalmClick here to enlargerolleyes:Click here to enlargeClick here to enlargeClick here to enlarge

    He then proceeded to start with saying he would need a new DME, it's 2k plus $400 to put it in. I literally laughed in his face and told him he's high as $#@!, I used to work here and that was the first $#@!ing thing you idiots always tried to upsell even though it never did $#@!.

    I'm putting a new battery in it Wednesday and hopefully that will solve most of his electrical gremlins. It does have about 3 tristate years and 51k mikes on it, not uncommon to kick a battery after 3 winters here.E


    I think leaving the dealer was the best thing I ever did. These idiots couldn't figure out an N54 even if the answer was handed to them. Shop foreman my ass...go choke on a bag of dicks.
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    dealership is a $#@!ing joke. What idiots man..
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    I don't understand why they deny work, when BMW pays for warranty/recall claims... isn't this profit for them.

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    that's why I never visit the dealers.
    Last time i went to dealer i went to check my AC compressor since it wasn't working well. guy asked about warranty and i told it's under warranty. so i left. after a few others they called me to come the car is ready. when i got there, guy came to me and said we changed the compressor and it costs $700. i was like WTF! he said we found some oil on belt so it means you changed the oil yourself because we work very clean and never leave oil and such so it avoids the warranty! I changed the oil, but what it has to do with AC compressor?!?

    they are monkeys at service and repair, but when it comes to find a way to avoid warranty or charge you money somehow, they became Sherlock Holmes.

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    A little bit of a read,but it explains a few questions about dealerships and their practices

    Dealing with car dealers on repairs and warranty work

    by David Zatz. Use at your own risk.
    The people who sell and service cars never seem to come up to the high standards of the cars themselves. Some dealers are sleazy and lie incessantly, others are honest and competent - seemingly within any brand, from Audi to Volvo. Here are some tips if your dealer falls into the first category - and a link to a central list of dealer lies for your amusement.
    Separating the dealer from the company

    Most customers do not often think about the fact that dealers are independently operated franchises, and that often, the automaker spends a great deal of time and money trying to get their dealers to be honest, helpful, and competent - to no avail. Part of that is because the automaker is also trying to squeeze every last penny out of their dealers, while cutting warranty costs as much as possible. The resulting price squeeze causes many dealers to cut corners on warranty work, and to try to convert low-margin warranty work into high-margin customer-paid work by pretending that the automaker will not pay for the repair.
    In any case, if you are gauged by, say, a Volvo dealer, understand that the Volvo company did not gauge you - the dealer did. Likewise, if a dealer provides you with standard service intervals, look in your owner's manual and check it out. Most dealers seem to believe in servicing the car more frequently than needed - because they make gobs of money doing it! We've seen $400 tune-ups that would have cost $160 from the garage down the street, using $50 worth of parts. So beware.
    Common scams: 3,000 mile oil changes when the factory recommends 6,000 or more; annual antifreeze changes when the factory recommends every 100,000; throttle body cleanings; early spark plug changes; scheduled tuneups on modern cars that have nothing to tune, where every drop of fluid costs $20 and no actual work is done.
    Warranties

    If you have a problem not covered by the normal warranty, see if it is covered by a Federally mandated warranty. Some of these go up to 100,000 miles, but dealers don't always admit that they exist. See your owner's manual for details - and if you don't have an owner's manual, borrow one for your model year.
    Most makers sometimes authorizes repairs after the warranty is over, depending on the circumstances and the staffer's mood. While dealers can do this in some cases, few will take the risk.
    Dealers may think something is not covered when it really is. This is often due to their own misunderstanding. Politely ask them if it would be covered under the emissions warranty (if applicable, e.g. if it is an emissions-related part).
    You should read your owner's manual thoroughly, particularly the warranty sections, before speaking with a dealer, so that you can calmly and politely say something like, "I thought the warranty covered spark plugs until the first recommended change interval. Would you mind if I checked the warranty in my glove compartment?"
    If cases where the service person is sure something is not covered, ask if they would mind if you called the company to see if you could get an authorization for them. Make sure your attitude conveys the message that "I'm trying to help you to get paid for this by the company" rather than "I'm going to complain about your miserly tactics." Service people usually do not mind your calling the company if you say up front that you are doing it to get authorization for them.
    Resources

    There are many resources for those who are having a dispute with a dealer or a car company. For some, you will have to wait until the end of this page, or visit our auto links sections. But since I think you should read the rest of this page, I'd appreciate your not going there now!
    Ralph Nader's Center for Auto Safety, at (202) 328-7700, has information on hidden warranties, common problems, and a directory of lawyers who can handle auto fraud cases. The quality of the lawyers themselves is hard to judge - that doesn't mean we have received good or bad reports. A similar referral service is run by two lawyers in Boston, who head the National Association of Consumer Advocates (617-723-1239), but your chances of reaching CAS are higher.
    Watch out in small claims or special civil court because many lawyers will be over-eager to settle, when you have a strong case. This is because it is easy to grab the quick buck and move on to the next case, and more trouble to actually sue. Of course you run the risk in court of losing and having to pay massive legal fees. In many states you can handle cases by yourself.
    Used car guides are interesting but rarely too helpful, because they are often inaccurate or missing key information. Consumer Reports' statistical methods are questionable, and the others tend to be high on opinion. Consumers Guide's book has concise write-ups and details on resale value and some specs. Jack Gillis' Used Car Book is interesting, but some of its conclusions are questionable, and we don't find it worth the money. If you're serious about spending a real chunk of change for a used car, consider all sources, including mailing lists (which are usually more reliable than newsgroups).
    When looking for used car prices, remember the difference between retail and wholesale. Kelly's Blue Book is the one most often used by car dealers; they buy at wholesale and sell at resale, and pocket a nice chunk of change, figure about $1,500, along the way. Sell privately if you can!
    The Lemon-Aid Used Car Guide, by Phil Edmonston, has been recommended but were leery of some of what we see as oversimplifications and bias; that said, Phil is the founder of the Automobile Protection Association (APA), a former member of the Canadian Parliament, and Canada's best-known consumer advocate.
    Choosing a dealer

    Nothing beats the recommendation of a knowledgeable friend or acquaintance - except your own experience. The sales and service staff may be night and day in terms of quality and the "user experience," so never assume that a friendly salesman in front indicates friendly and competent mechanics in back.
    Buy from dealerships with good service departments. Avoid dealers with raucous ads on the radio where the announcer screams at you.
    You do not have to have your car repaired by the dealer you bought it from.
    Note. Some people think dealers hire the best and the brightest. In fact, according to some research I've been reading, dealers have a terrible employee loyalty rate, and their mechanics may have low morale and little experience. Though there are many dealers who have excellent mechanics, with lots of experience and a desire to do the job right, many others do not. Don't assume that the dealer is always better than the garage across the street.
    Prevention

    Get a copy of your complaint even if no problem is found by the service techs, so you can, later on, show that a problem existed earlier. That may convince the automaker to make good after the warranty ends, or increase a lemon law settlements.
    If there is a "small accident," insist on seeing the damage in person and get everything in writing. Otherwise you have little protection against shoddy repairs and peeling paint. Take my word on this one!
    Do not blindly believe anything your dealer tells you. Get everything in writing. Check questionable statements.
    If you bring in your car, do not accept the "I don't hear it" or "They all do that" defense. Ask for a test drive with the manager or a mechanic. Be assertive without being aggressive or hostile.
    Treat your dealership and service advisors well. They have a lot of discretion in providing extra service. If they like you, they may also give you a better mechanic.
    Only use the recommended oil, brake fluid, and transmission fluid. There are no "universal" fluids.
    If you get a bad dealer, be sure to fill out and return your survey (knowing that dealers see negative surveys!). See the note at the bottom of this page.
    Contacting the automaker

    See your owner's manual for addresses and phone numbers.
    If you suspect your dealer has defrauded the company with false warranty claims, report it and ask them to let you know what happens.
    Be polite and calm but assertive at all times. Do not take no for an answer but do not act angry or threaten them. This will make matters worse. They are often sensitive, defensive, and uninformed. If all else fails, call back and speak to someone else.
    One key with out-of-warranty repairs is whether the problem existed during the warranty period! That's a good reason to get all your complaints acknowledged by the dealer in repair forms and to keep them (and keep 'em well-organized).
    Never say bad things about your dealer or anyone else unless you absolutely must. Do not subject them to the anger caused by your dealer or their employees. This will only hurt your case!
    It is easy to be pegged and written off as a "bad customer." Don't let them put you into the loony category.
    Is the problem with your car or your dealer?

    If your car has lots of problems, your dealer or mechanic might be screwing it up when trying to find other problems.
    If you have problems immediately after having your car serviced, it may have been the mechanic's fault. Examples:
    • stalling after a tune up
    • brake noises after a brake job
    • oil leak after oil change
    • transmission problems after transmission servicing or fluid change. (On any car, check the antifreeze and/or oil a few days after any change.)
    Solutions:
    • find out what the problem was and fix it yourself or demand that the mechanic fix the car (may be risky).
    • ask for your money back
    • find another mechanic
    • report the incident to your Consumer Affairs Department, Attorney General, and/or the automaker (we generally ignore the BBB which tends to close complaints at the dealers request, since the dealer pays their dues and you dont).
    Many new cars cannot use 10W40 or 10W30 oil. Find out the oil you need from the manual and demand that they use it. You may need to ask them when theyre done and have them drain and refill.
    Always use the recommended oil and trans fluid. Never take the oil change place's or the dealer's word for it. Look it up yourself.
    When they can't find or fix it...

    When the service people cannot find problem, ask to take a drive with the mechanic or a service advisor. If they cannot solve it, ask the service advisor to escalate it; if they don't know the term, suggest trying new steps, such as requesting support from Toyota or checking the service bulletins. You can also call the Customer Center and ask them to provide technical assistance to the dealership.
    Trying another dealer often works.
    You may wish to bone up on the technical service bulletins, available from Alldata. Keep in mind that if you tell them you looked up the bulletin, you will likely be marked as a crank; but if you attribute the information to "a friend with the same car," you'll probably be OK.
    Step by Step

    Even if you are in an adversarial relationship, act in a friendly, nonthreatening, non-angry, non-adversarial manner -- but don't take "no" for an answer.
    When you have a problem:
    • Try to resolve it through discussion with the service advisor.
    • If needed, ask to speak with the service manager.
    • The next step is to call the automaker, from a pay phone if you have to. Often, work suddenly becomes free or your car gets fixed days or weeks ahead of time.
    • If your dealer keeps fixing the same thing over and over again, get another dealer, or ask the service manager to escalate the problem (as mentioned earlier).
    • If your dealer treats you badly, lies to you, etc., get another dealer.
    • If you have a continuing problem, speak to the people at your zone office (in your owner's manual). Be polite but assertive. Do not threaten them. If they still don't fix the car, politely begin to negotiate.
    • If you are still having the same problem despite several attempts at repairs, read your lemon law guide (in your glove compartment). File an official lemon law complaint with your state if possible. This will get Toyota's attention and help your negotiation along, but chances are your problem is not serious enough to merit a legally imposed solution.
    Important: File any lemon law complaints while you can! There is usually a time and mileage limit
    • You can also try going through the Customer Arbitration Board.
    • If all else fails, look through your Yellow Pages to find a lawyer *specializing* in lemon law problems. A good specialist lawyer will probably cheaply negotiate your way to a good settlement. If negotiation is not their first move, they are not the right lawyer. Negotiation yields better settlements than the courts, IMHO.
    • West's Causes of Action, Volume 11, contains tutorials and sample complaints for suing auto companies. Blashfield's Automobile Law contains information on car-related lawsuits. Nolo Press more information and publications.
    Your chances of getting cash are slim. They will probably buy back your car, giving you credit towards another instead of cash. You will probably not get all of your money back (even as a credit). Most states impose a penalty on each mile of use before the first lemon-type complaint.
    • If all else fails, or if there is an emergency or a serious issue which cannot be resolved through normal channels, call the state department of consumer affairs immediately. If they are unresponsive, or if the dealer has done something truly offensive, call the state Attorney General's Office. Do not be afraid to call your Congressman; many will help out to get your vote. If the State helps you to get justice, think about it during the next election - would you rather have "no big government interference with business" or "customer protection?"
    Why are there so many bad dealers?

    Blame it on greed, the worship of the dollar and small business, our culture, the automotive world's culture, or poor local small claims courts (or policies that you cannot sue for damages in small claims court).
    Zone officials are often too lenient on bad dealers, but let's be fair - they may not have all the power they need.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
    the shop foreskin $#@! is really starting to crack down on after market parts.
    Hahahha, did you mean to type foreskin?

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    Yep I did. Hes got an ego the size of new york state because he graduated from the BMW step Program...so he thinks he can solve everything.

    Ive noticed that the injectors on these cars get the pintles gunked up with deposits like crazy. This car had 20k on it only, and the two injectors I replaced were horrible...I dont know how it was shooting gas out of its orifices while gunked up like that. Perhaps I should start selling physical injector cleanings

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
    Yep I did. Hes got an ego the size of new york state because he graduated from the BMW step Program...so he thinks he can solve everything.

    Ive noticed that the injectors on these cars get the pintles gunked up with deposits like crazy. This car had 20k on it only, and the two injectors I replaced were horrible...I dont know how it was shooting gas out of its orifices while gunked up like that. Perhaps I should start selling physical injector cleanings
    I agree with you i worked with such mechanic a few times, they only go by what the book or the computer says, they are scared to even mention anything they have noticed on their own. Why? they are scared to be fired because they are new but they still have the BIG EGO because they work at Mercedes and we have to right to question them. Once your warranty is up they will be more than happy to find "new" problems costing big bucks.

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    Which dealership was it Matt? I noticed that my headlight or headlights shake a lot when i drive at night on barely any bumpy roads. Want to bring the car into a dealership but they might tell me that the oil catch can or the aftermarket intercooler is causing it.
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    Some techs are better than others. But I had a customer recently blow a DME fuse miswiring a meth kit. Car wouldn't run right, etc. He didn't know about fuses panicked and towed it to the dealer, out of warranty, and they diagnosed it as a bad DME and wanted him to agree to pay ~$2,200 to replace it before the could further troubleshoot. I told him based on the symptoms a DME was possible but unlikely, and to tow it home and worst case buy his own DME from getbmwparts.com for half the price. After a few minutes of troubleshooting with him, he found out it was a simply a blown fuse. Replaced it and car is perfect now. Go BMW. Click here to enlarge

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    I wont mention any names but it is in Freeport. My friend has been a tech there for prolly 10 years now, and he is always my go to guy. My SA is one who I previously worked with at Mercedes, he knows the game and always helps out. One hand washes the other right?

    The real issue stemmed from the fact I forgot he went on vacation this week, and all the small notes of 'wants only xyz tech to work on the car' went right out the door, the other two guys covering his work threw it into the RO rotation and some random tech got the job.

    Since this involves a little brainwork, and isnt a 1200, 15k or 30k service, the end result is 'cant find the problem' or 'not warrantied cuse of aftermarket parts'. My girls car went in for a bad wheel bearing and before my friend could snatch the car up a noob tech took it, beat the piss out of it and proceeded to tell me it was the wheel rubbing on the strut (lol) or the injen intake hissing under boost. I filed a complaint and as of last time I was there, he no longer works there.

    The shop foreman is the problem...ive had cars go in there with full boltons because of vanos problems and the car was in and out no issue. Roller84 (member on E90) is a customer of my shop with a very highly modified 335 sedan, and had his turbos replaced under warranty with out a problem as well. I could understand if it was a random issue, that the dealer would examine it more closely, but the turbos on these cars get replaced like I change my underwear. Ive heard them rattling and whining with as little as 1500 miles on the car, and you are gonna tell me its a case where the management has to get involved?

    The debate is, where is the fine line between warranty work and good CSI reports? The dealer sometimes doesnt wanna pay, but I can even the score with a bad CSI report....once BMWNA gets wind they bring the banhammer down and that place gets chewed out. I have always left glowing reviews about my SA because he does his best to stay in the loop of things, and hes a car nut himself (has a Chevelle with an SBC that goes 11.1 on motor and deep in the 10s on nitrous). Its just the management in the shop that gets in the way and interferes big time.

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    All BMW techs are $#@!ING STUPID.

    Not all mechanics are car guys. Do you understand the difference? A car guy KNOWS how cars work, a mechanic just knows how to replace parts within. He doesnt know the intimate nature of problem diagnosis. A car guy that works on his own cars is the best of both worlds.

    Most mechanics ARE NOT CAR GUYS.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    All BMW techs are $#@!ING STUPID.

    Not all mechanics are car guys. Do you understand the difference? A car guy KNOWS how cars work, a mechanic just knows how to replace parts within. He doesnt know the intimate nature of problem diagnosis. A car guy that works on his own cars is the best of both worlds.

    Most mechanics ARE NOT CAR GUYS.
    Exactly. This is why only my friend did the work. He knows his way around these cars better than most. Him and I were swapping Hondas back in 2000...we go wayy back lol.

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    Matt my last experience there was so bad. The kid who took my car didn't know how to drive stick I flipped out. He reved it to like 3000 before engaging 1st then they deny work because of downpipes then they hit my car and I need a new bumper. I love the sa but everyone else I just can't deal with anymore. It's really sad.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 335ili Click here to enlarge
    Matt my last experience there was so bad. The kid who took my car didn't know how to drive stick I flipped out. He reved it to like 3000 before engaging 1st then they deny work because of downpipes then they hit my car and I need a new bumper. I love the sa but everyone else I just can't deal with anymore. It's really sad.
    THAT is bad.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Some techs are better than others. But I had a customer recently blow a DME fuse miswiring a meth kit. Car wouldn't run right, etc. He didn't know about fuses panicked and towed it to the dealer, out of warranty, and they diagnosed it as a bad DME and wanted him to agree to pay ~$2,200 to replace it before the could further troubleshoot. I told him based on the symptoms a DME was possible but unlikely, and to tow it home and worst case buy his own DME from getbmwparts.com for half the price. After a few minutes of troubleshooting with him, he found out it was a simply a blown fuse. Replaced it and car is perfect now. Go BMW. Click here to enlarge
    Hmmm, I think I know who this is...

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    if you guys don't mind the ride come to BMW Mt. laurel and go to James D he's the best sa and the techs that work for him are amazing and no Bs.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by akh23456 Click here to enlarge
    if you guys don't mind the ride come to BMW Mt. laurel and go to James D he's the best sa and the techs that work for him are amazing and no Bs.
    might have to try this place out for my bronx customers.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
    might have to try this place out for my bronx customers.
    You deff should Lm and I go there all time along with others.
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    I've had my own experiences with this $#@!. It seems that there not any actual mechanics left, or any skilled labor for that matter left in the US. All a mechanic is these days is someone who hooks up a laptop to the OBD2 port and changes parts based on what the computer says is wrong. I really think the people that actually had troubleshooting skills all retired in the last 10 or so years. It seems like that EVERYWHERE. from mechanics to body shops to welders to people at parts counters. No one knows $#@! anymore if it's not on a $#@!ing screen in front of them. Seriously, if you had a inline six sitting there running on five cylinders, just about any retired mechanic would be able to hear that from a mile away. This younger, retarded generation is taking over, and it makes me sick. I'm 32 years old, and I have to fix my own $#@! because I can't find anyone else that can do it. If I want some stainless pipe welded? I have to go find the old retired dude down the street to hook me up. I don't know what I'm going to do in the next 20 years when all the old folks are too feeble to help. I just hope the young $#@!s get their $#@! together and start taking pride in their job. Woo! I'm done.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ryan Mills Click here to enlarge
    I've had my own experiences with this $#@!. It seems that there not any actual mechanics left, or any skilled labor for that matter left in the US. All a mechanic is these days is someone who hooks up a laptop to the OBD2 port and changes parts based on what the computer says is wrong. I really think the people that actually had troubleshooting skills all retired in the last 10 or so years. It seems like that EVERYWHERE. from mechanics to body shops to welders to people at parts counters. No one knows $#@! anymore if it's not on a $#@!ing screen in front of them. Seriously, if you had a inline six sitting there running on five cylinders, just about any retired mechanic would be able to hear that from a mile away. This younger, retarded generation is taking over, and it makes me sick. I'm 32 years old, and I have to fix my own $#@! because I can't find anyone else that can do it. If I want some stainless pipe welded? I have to go find the old retired dude down the street to hook me up. I don't know what I'm going to do in the next 20 years when all the old folks are too feeble to help. I just hope the young $#@!s get their $#@! together and start taking pride in their job. Woo! I'm done.


    Repped for the effin truth man. I miss the days of fine tuning a set of carbs on a 911 by a simple set of tools and purely by feel and sound.

    The new guys just cant hack it. I do know a few guys who are just outright geniuses...those are the guys we will have to rely on when we get older.

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    So true Ryan. That's why I like using my base auto shop. Most of the mechanics there are car junkies. You can rent your own lift if you want and will help out with anything you need.

    Most good to great mechanics now a days work for small independant shops. I mostly blame dealerships for this. Dealerships nowadays don't like mechanics who think outside of the box, since they think that way of thinking will make them lose money.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ryan Mills Click here to enlarge
    I've had my own experiences with this $#@!. It seems that there not any actual mechanics left, or any skilled labor for that matter left in the US. All a mechanic is these days is someone who hooks up a laptop to the OBD2 port and changes parts based on what the computer says is wrong. I really think the people that actually had troubleshooting skills all retired in the last 10 or so years. It seems like that EVERYWHERE. from mechanics to body shops to welders to people at parts counters. No one knows $#@! anymore if it's not on a $#@!ing screen in front of them. Seriously, if you had a inline six sitting there running on five cylinders, just about any retired mechanic would be able to hear that from a mile away. This younger, retarded generation is taking over, and it makes me sick. I'm 32 years old, and I have to fix my own $#@! because I can't find anyone else that can do it. If I want some stainless pipe welded? I have to go find the old retired dude down the street to hook me up. I don't know what I'm going to do in the next 20 years when all the old folks are too feeble to help. I just hope the young $#@!s get their $#@! together and start taking pride in their job. Woo! I'm done.
    Very true, but we still have the spectacular guys. The main difference is they are harder to find now.

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    Last dealer ship visit you need a new tranny it's making noise. I said guys you that's a light weight fly wheel. Then I find my car on a meth map on the procede. Now who took my car out of valet and put it on map 4. I'm annoyed to say the least bc I know someone beat the hell out of it.

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    I wonder who in the shop knows their way around a procede...i found it a bit confusing to get through the map selections lol. If its on the cruise control stalk then there is no reason for them to be touching it.

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