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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The M3 is more responsive at all revs and a completely different character from the 335. The 1M really isn't all that different from a 135.
    I agree that the m3 is not the same as a 335 but that's not what I was replying to. You said that the Charger was fun at all speeds but the 1M had to be driven at the limit to have fun. How is that any different than an M3? You have to rev the $#@! out of it to have fun so in the real word you would have to be driving in 1st gear everywhere you go, unless you want a reckless driving ticket. I am no way dogging on the M3, I think it is a great car but since I don't track I don't see the need for it. Maybe that will change when I get the 1M...who knows.

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    I drove a regular V8 challenger very hard in the canyons and it is a GIANT POS, bad steering, bad brakes, front heavy understeer, $#@! interior
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Eleventeen Click here to enlarge
    That's funny, a $50k Dodge that got beaten in every category except trap speed by a similarly priced BMW... hmmmm, which would I choose. Click here to enlarge
    Hehe, that is a good point. The 1M pretty much thumped it across the board. But aren't BMW owners and namely M owners the one who say there is more to a car than just numbers?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    I agree that the m3 is not the same as a 335 but that's not what I was replying to. You said that the Charger was fun at all speeds but the 1M had to be driven at the limit to have fun. How is that any different than an M3? You have to rev the $#@! out of it to have fun so in the real word you would have to be driving in 1st gear everywhere you go, unless you want a reckless driving ticket. I am no way dogging on the M3, I think it is a great car but since I don't track I don't see the need for it. Maybe that will change when I get the 1M...who knows.
    The M has pretty short gearing but I do agree you need to rev the crap out of it. There clearly are some similarities there although I think the difference in character between an M3 and a 335 is greater than that of the 1M and the 135i.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Cool, so it drifts and so forth?

    I mean it's an awesome car as most BMW's are but still not an M.

    Glad he mentioned that it is a parts bin M though at least and that they did that drag race since it shows how the Cayman R with a manual really stacks up.
    Sticky, I know you are butt-hurt that the 1M received the N54 but the fact at the matter is that at the end of the day it is an M car. Putting the S54 in the 1M would have been too much weight on the front end, and the S65 - well, god dammit that engine would have suited this car perfectly.
    The 1M is to the 135i just as the M3 is to a 335i, the only difference is the lack of a bespoke M engine.
    The 1M has a limited slip differential, M suspension components, and flared fenders - characteristic of EVERY ///M car since the 1980's.
    By your claim of the 1M not being an M car you are also setting the grounds to claim that the F10 M5 is not a "true" M car. Yeah blah blah blah the S63tu engine is sooo different then the N63 but is it? Does it not have the same compression ratio? Isn't the only difference higher boost and some other features that really aren't too significant?
    Sounds like the same story as is with the 1M and the N54...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The M has pretty short gearing but I do agree you need to rev the crap out of it. There clearly are some similarities there although I think the difference in character between an M3 and a 335 is greater than that of the 1M and the 135i.
    Yes, and I would take any of the 4 cars mentioned over the Dodge.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CookieCrisp Click here to enlarge
    Sticky, I know you are butt-hurt that the 1M received the N54 but the fact at the matter is that at the end of the day it is an M car. Putting the S54 in the 1M would have been too much weight on the front end, and the S65 - well, god dammit that engine would have suited this car perfectly.
    The 1M is to the 135i just as the M3 is to a 335i, the only difference is the lack of a bespoke M engine.
    The 1M has a limited slip differential, M suspension components, and flared fenders - characteristic of EVERY ///M car since the 1980's.
    By your claim of the 1M not being an M car you are also setting the grounds to claim that the F10 M5 is not a "true" M car. Yeah blah blah blah the S63tu engine is sooo different then the N63 but is it? Does it not have the same compression ratio? Isn't the only difference higher boost and some other features that really aren't too significant?
    Sounds like the same story as is with the 1M and the N54...
    I'm not butthurt just disappointed in BMW. They could have at least tweaked the N54 like they did to the N63 to make the S63. When is the last time an M car didn't have a motor with an S designation?

    The 1M is not to the 135i as the M3 is to the 335i. The 1M is basically a just a 135i with M3 bits. The M3 is not just a 335 with some suspension and brake changes.

    The 1M has M parts but is missing the heart, missing the soul.

    The F10 M5 has the S63tu and a custom DCT along with a manual option. The F10 M5 has its own suspension and brake pieces. Even the turbos on the S63tu are different from the S63 I believe. Yes, the S63tu is pretty damn different from the N63. The manifold is different, the turbos, the intake system, the rods, the cams, these are all significant changes all of which the 1M does not see vs. a 135i.

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    Tons of the SRT8's in my new town. cant wait till the punks look and chuckle at the red light next to me, rev the big bad HEMI, only to get a lung full of toxic, uncleansed C02 mixed with Methanol and as i then slow down and innocently go back to cruising at 28MPG in a slightly luxurious BMW

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    Tons of the SRT8's in my new town. cant wait till the punks look and chuckle at the red light next to me, rev the big bad HEMI, only to get a lung full of toxic, uncleansed C02 mixed with Methanol and as i then slow down and innocently go back to cruising at 28MPG in a slightly luxurious BMW
    You sound like hotrod when you mention MPG.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    You sound like hotrod when you mention MPG.
    The 1m's MPG is just icing on the cake and cant be ignored. Call me a pussy Prius lover(lol) but it was a small factor in my decision for the 1M over an M3. Its also the reason I went with a 535xi over a 550xi, but then again, it is the wife's car, if it was for me it would have been a different story. 535 is enough for her to handle...LOL!!!!

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    lol, its still the #1 reason i havent gone M yet Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    The 1m's MPG is just icing on the cake and cant be ignored. Call me a pussy Prius lover(lol) but it was a small factor in my decision for the 1M over an M3. Its also the reason I went with a 535xi over a 550xi, but then again, it is the wife's car, if it was for me it would have been a different story. 535 is enough for her to handle...LOL!!!!
    I won't call you any names as yes MPG is a factor but I mean these are performance cars. I guess I just don't pay attention to it the way others do.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    lol, its still the #1 reason i havent gone M yet Click here to enlarge
    I was able to get 27mpg on the way home from the drag strip in my SC M3
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    Sticky yesterday you said you didnt want to put the 1M on the front page anymore because there were too many write up already but yet you couldnt get this one up there quick enough, what the hell is your problem with this car? Your taking pride in a bmw losing a review!!! OTher than a big motor and straigt line grunt we both know that srt is junk, the 1M is like a surgical knife and that thing is like a hammer or something

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    Sticky yesterday you said you didnt want to put the 1M on the front page anymore because there were too many write up already but yet you couldnt get this one up there quick enough, what the hell is your problem with this car? Your taking pride in a bmw losing a review!!! OTher than a big motor and straigt line grunt we both know that srt is junk, the 1M is like a surgical knife and that thing is like a hammer or something
    Controversy sells my friend. Combine that with the new hotness of the 1M and you have a winner! Look at this and the Clarkson review thread, more views and replies than this section has had in the last month. Either that or Sticky cant get his hands on a 1M and is jealous...HAHAHAHA! Just kidding...not really though...lol

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    Sticky yesterday you said you didnt want to put the 1M on the front page anymore because there were too many write up already but yet you couldnt get this one up there quick enough, what the hell is your problem with this car? Your taking pride in a bmw losing a review!!! OTher than a big motor and straigt line grunt we both know that srt is junk, the 1M is like a surgical knife and that thing is like a hammer or something
    If you notice the order I put the Clarkson review first and then came across this one. One is extremely positive, the other is extremely critical. I prefer to give you a balance not just feed you all positive and leave negatives out.

    Notice other sites omit the Insideline review? Do you prefer to believe everything is sunshine and rainbows or do you believe it rains from time to time?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Hehe, that is a good point. The 1M pretty much thumped it across the board. But aren't BMW owners and namely M owners the one who say there is more to a car than just numbers?
    Right, there's more to a BMW than its numbers AND its numbers pounded the Challenger so it's a double whammy for the 1M hahaha

    One of my friends has the Challenger SRT8 and I don't even think he, who paid his own hard earned cash for it brand new and loaded it with MOPAR parts, would dare say it was on the same planet as a 1M in terms of driving enjoyment.

    The Challenger is a sweet car and can be a lot of fun, but even my 135i is a thousand times better to drive.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    Right, there's more to a BMW than its numbers AND its numbers pounded the Challenger so it's a double whammy for the 1M hahaha
    I don't diagree with this.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    One of my friends has the Challenger SRT8 and I don't even think he, who paid his own hard earned cash for it brand new and loaded it with MOPAR parts, would dare say it was on the same planet as a 1M in terms of driving enjoyment.
    Why speak for him though? Have him post and let's see what he thinks.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    lol, its still the #1 reason i havent gone M yet Click here to enlarge
    Honestly I don't even think the mpg in the M3 is that bad at all.

    I was driving my buddies 335is. Unless you baby it or doing freeway only, it can suck the gas down also.

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    who said M3's MPG isn't bad? it drinks gasoline like beer.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    who said M3's MPG isn't bad? it drinks gasoline like beer.
    not compared to my c63 Click here to enlarge
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    not compared to my c63 Click here to enlarge
    No kidding or the M5 for that matter.

    The M3 actually does better than what bmw state's for mpg.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    not compared to my c63 Click here to enlarge
    C63 does much worse?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    No kidding or the M5 for that matter.

    The M3 actually does better than what bmw state's for mpg.
    what's your mpg?
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    not compared to my c63 Click here to enlarge

    Haha, a buddy of mine has a SL63 and whenever i call him he says he's at gas station.

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    There is an auto Charger SRT-8 here that goes to autocross (6.1 Hemi). He has cut-outs, intake/tune and stock everything else he says.

    His driving consists of burnout, wobbly braking, understeer and tilt slowly through turn (literally like boat in the water), and then burnout some more to the next braking point.

    My 135i actually gives you acceleration and turning G's. My 300zx will make you feel like you are in a drift event. lol I've passed through the 90 single gate turn sideways... the trick is 1st or 2nd gear clutch drop plus a lot of power. Click here to enlarge

    If you REALLY want to have fun for stuff like that, buy a used Z06 and throw some 305/30F and 345/30R Hoosier A comps on it...... Hands down one of the fastest cars for the money.

    Can wait to get a GoPro!

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