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    Is GIAC the only flash tune? How does it compare to the piggy backs?

    Any advantages, disadvantages? Anything GIAC can or can't do that the others can?

    Please, educate me.

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    We have some lazy tuners reading this board.

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    This can spark debates for ages on which is better. It all comes down to modifying the ECU from within and having the DME do the actual work, or having an external box manipulate data.

    While piggybacks will always have the upper hand of no downtime for those not near a GIAC facility, the handheld switcher may change that in the near future.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tom @ eas Click here to enlarge
    This can spark debates for ages on which is better. It all comes down to modifying the ECU from within and having the DME do the actual work, or having an external box manipulate data.

    While piggybacks will always have the upper hand of no downtime for those not near a GIAC facility, the handheld switcher may change that in the near future.
    Intention is not a better or worse discussion just simply the advantages and disadvantages.

    I noticed Turbo Dynamics in the UK abandoned a flash tune and decided to go with the PROcede, why?

    The GIAC flash loaded will certainly be a huge development.

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    Just trying to avoid flame-bait. Click here to enlarge

    GIAC offers a nice option and customers who run it report they enjoy it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Just trying to avoid flame-bait. Click here to enlarge

    GIAC offers a nice option and customers who run it report they enjoy it.
    Politically correct responses are boring.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Just trying to avoid flame-bait. Click here to enlarge

    GIAC offers a nice option and customers who run it report they enjoy it.
    Agreed - its all up to the end user's specific preference.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by tom @ eas Click here to enlarge
    Agreed - its all up to the end user's specific preference.
    Absolutely, so what preferences would a user have to choose one of the other?

    Is it mostly value that pushes someone one way?

    Does flash tuning have more control over the timing?

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    Wow. No negative comments against the GIAC. Hmmmm. The tune must suck since there is only one person running in the 11s, right? Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onesuperboi Click here to enlarge
    Wow. No negative comments against the GIAC. Hmmmm. The tune must suck since there is only one person running in the 11s, right? Click here to enlarge
    Why would there be any negative comments?

    GIAC does some very good things.

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    Well, there has been bashing mainly between the Procede and JB3. Yet, when people are to comment about the GIAC, there are only nice things being said. Is it because they are not selling and therefore not a direct competitor to the JB3 or Procede?

    How come the problem with the GIAC dynos doesn't get addressed? Have you seen the dynos where the line gets all wavy? Their reasoning is that it is because the dyno is a no load dyno, so it wouldn't apply to the real world on a real road(something to that effect). I believe Shiv said it's because they have some throttle or boost issues and it can be felt on the road (not just seen on the dyno).

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onesuperboi Click here to enlarge
    Well, there has been bashing mainly between the Procede and JB3. Yet, when people are to comment about the GIAC, there are only nice things being said. Is it because they are not selling and therefore not a direct competitor to the JB3 or Procede?

    How come the problem with the GIAC dynos doesn't get addressed? Have you seen the dynos where the line gets all wavy? Their reasoning is that it is because the dyno is a no load dyno, so it wouldn't apply to the real world on a real road(something to that effect). I believe Shiv said it's because they have some throttle or boost issues and it can be felt on the road (not just seen on the dyno).
    What problem with the GIAC dynos? It probably is due to the dyno type. What dyno are they using?

    The Procede and JB3 thing is different Click here to enlarge

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    Like this one:

    http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373134

    Sorry, I've been looking for one post where Shiv commented. It was a GIAC dyno that was recently done, but I can't find it...

    The point is that GIAC is the only tune that I've seen to have dynos that look like that; I've never seen a JB3 or Procede dyno with those type of oscillations.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onesuperboi Click here to enlarge
    Like this one:

    http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373134

    Sorry, I've been looking for one post where Shiv commented. It was a GIAC dyno that was recently done, but I can't find it...

    The point is that GIAC is the only tune that I've seen to have dynos that look like that; I've never seen a JB3 or Procede dyno with those type of oscillations.
    It is a dynojet and other tuned N54's don't look like that down low so I'm not sure what to say.

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    It's not just down low. I've seen them in the upper RPMs as well.

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    Driven a stg1 GIAC 335i, power was smooth as hell.

    GIAC has yet to release stg 2 and 2+, also the flashloader. So there is really nothing to comment on.

    Owners of the beta stg2 seem to like it very much.

    I only know of one person with GIAC that actually drags his car. He has been one of the GIAC testers, Mr.5. He has a good manual 1/4 time.

    Driveability/smoothness is the main positive for GIAC.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    Driven a stg1 GIAC 335i, power was smooth as hell.

    GIAC has yet to release stg 2 and 2+, also the flashloader. So there is really nothing to comment on.

    Owners of the beta stg2 seem to like it very much.

    I only know of one person with GIAC that actually drags his car. He has been one of the GIAC testers, Mr.5. He has a good manual 1/4 time.

    Driveability/smoothness is the main positive for GIAC.
    If you are saying it feels so smooth then what is up with those dynos? Have they released follow up dynos showing that whatever this is was resolved?

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    There's a few flash tunes out there although most have just purchased their flash tune from file resellers. Only a handful have the capacity and knowledge to alter the tables themselves. GIAC being one of them, others mainly being European tuners.

    Flash tunes will always be ultra smooth, irrelevant of the tuner (well, if they are good at least).

    Don't get confused with the GIAC flashloader though. It (apparently) will only switch between maps, much like the REVO units. You'll still need to visit a dealer to get the unit installed in your car.

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    Gintani has an excellent flash for the N54.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    Gintani has an excellent flash for the N54.
    Ah, forgot about that! Thanks for pointing it out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Superlight Click here to enlarge
    There's a few flash tunes out there although most have just purchased their flash tune from file resellers. Only a handful have the capacity and knowledge to alter the tables themselves. GIAC being one of them, others mainly being European tuners.

    Flash tunes will always be ultra smooth, irrelevant of the tuner (well, if they are good at least).

    Don't get confused with the GIAC flashloader though. It (apparently) will only switch between maps, much like the REVO units. You'll still need to visit a dealer to get the unit installed in your car.
    I've been playing with the Dimsport stuff and its actually pretty easy. You get a settings file with the major tables and an editor tool. The real challenge is finding things that are not already established in the settings files. Like say the PID tables.

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    Exactly. Your lucky they supply all that info! Still, there are plenty more parameters to discover and ways to extract the power correctly but I'm sure a man of your talents can discover them given enough time. (Careful with Dimsport though, they do tend to have a buggy nature)

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    Gintani has an excellent flash for the N54.
    Are you running this tune? I've never heard of anyone with it (As they aren't really known in N54 circles I'm guessing they've just purchased a file off the shelf?)

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    Lots of people run it, it's just resold under a different name. The tuner, is the same however - who tuned these files for powerchip, evosport.

    Unlike Gintani, the majority of flash tunes out there, including names on this site - are re-sold european purchased flashes with no ability for end user/reseller custom tuning.

    If you don't believe me, call Alex and ask for a custom dyno tune for a 335i. They can be custom tuned on the dyno unlike ANY other flash tune.

    I'll release more info at some point.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
    Lots of people run it, it's just resold under a different name. The tuner, is the same however - who tuned these files for powerchip, evosport.

    Unlike Gintani, the majority of flash tunes out there, including names on this site - are re-sold european purchased flashes with no ability for end user/reseller custom tuning.

    If you don't believe me, call Alex and ask for a custom dyno tune for a 335i. They can be custom tuned on the dyno unlike ANY other flash tune.

    I'll release more info at some point.
    Why wouldn't everyone just use the Genius/RACE setup? The tables available are limited but good enough for what most want to do.

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