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    F1 Delays Green Engines for 2014

    The F1 Commission has agreed to delay the introduction of new engines until 2014 and has proposed to change the four-cylinder units to a 1.6 litre V6 turbo.
    Having previously agreed on four-cylinder V6s, many of the teams had expressed opposition to the original 2013 date to switch from the current 2.4 litre V8 engines. FIA president Jean Todt was a keen advocate of the 'greener' engines but had previously admitted that both Ferrari and Mercedes had voiced their concerns to him, while Cosworth recently asked for clarity.
    After the commission met today, it has emerged that the V6 has been agreed upon as a compromise, with KERS hybrid technology remaining in place and a further year's grace being given to develop the new units. The revised regulations will need to be ratified by the World Motor Sports Council following the European Grand Prix on Monday.
    Of the engine manufacturers only Renault had been fully supportive of the four-cylinder proposal, initially issuing Todt with a quit threat if the new regulations were not introduced, although it did later admit it just wanted a swift resolution to the issue.
    I can live with V6 turbo engines. I still don't agree with FIA/Renault trying to turn F1 from the inovative auto sport it was to nothing but a green automotive platform for normal cars. With the way they want to go, might as well replace all race cars with Priuses. That will be fun to watch.
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    PUKE!! It disgusts me to see the fastest motorsport go down like this. All because of green tree hugging $#@!s. The world is fine........

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    anybody know if twin turbos will be allowed?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by black bnr32 Click here to enlarge
    anybody know if twin turbos will be allowed?
    Not sure, all the reports I read just said 1.6 V6 turbo engine. With F1's history, most likely they will be twin turbo though.
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    Turbos in f1 cars....hmm i wonder if it will turn out like indy car racing back in the day.

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    the v shape certainly lends itself to twins. it would be interesting if a single is used, and where they place it. also, itll be interesting to see the turbo's specs. maybe twin 40mm compressors at like a million psi.

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    F1 is no more innovative, back in those old good days absolutely everything was legal.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
    Turbos in f1 cars....hmm i wonder if it will turn out like indy car racing back in the day.
    Dude check out 80's F1 cars, 1500 HP cars !

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    Turbo engine isn't new to F1, the used them in the 80's. In fact, BMW had one of the most powerful engine then and it was an I4 twin turbo producing 880hp. Here's a link with pictures and stats:
    http://www.gurneyflap.com/bmwturbof1engine.html

    But that was when there were no regulations on engines and teams could get as creative as they wanted, not like today.
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    man 880hp is the weak model, first M12's made 1500 HP !! 1.5 liter and 1500 HP, that's 1000HP/Liter.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    man 880hp is the weak model, first M12's made 1500 HP !! 1.5 liter and 1500 HP, that's 1000HP/Liter.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...6/BMW_02-1.jpg
    My bad, yeah 1300hp when Benetton were running them.
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    They ran 80 psi boost on PURE Toluene. Equivalent to about 114 octane gas.

    BMW used a lot of STOCK M10 engine blocks in their F1 cars because they were so stout. 1.5 liters making 1500 HP was common back then.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
    They ran 80 psi boost on PURE Toluene. Equivalent to about 114 octane gas.

    BMW used a lot of STOCK M10 engine blocks in their F1 cars because they were so stout. 1.5 liters making 1500 HP was common back then.
    Actually, 1500hp was only used for qualifying.
    Thos engines could not last an entire race.
    But it didn't really matter, because in those days teams could go through 4 engines in a weekend. At least 1 engine for fridays practice, 1 qualifying engine, and 1 for the race. Qualifying engines were maxed out to 1500hp in the final season of turbocharged F1. It had to be regulated because the circuits were not.designed to handle these speeds.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    man 880hp is the weak model, first M12's made 1500 HP !! 1.5 liter and 1500 HP, that's 1000HP/Liter.
    wait a minute, let me check my calc...

    Yes, you are correct. That is 1000hp/liter.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Setra Click here to enlarge
    wait a minute, let me check my calc...

    Yes, you are correct. That is 1000hp/liter.
    What calculator did you use? I used one of these.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    What calculator did you use? I used one of these.
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...ch20gadg-1.jpg
    Was the outcome the same between the orange one and the green one?
    Sometimes that happens you know...
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    Supposedly this delay is because of Audi. I was reading that Audi was going to join F1 if they went to these greener motors but then backed out.

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    F VW and all the companies related to it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Supposedly this delay is because of Audi. I was reading that Audi was going to join F1 if they went to these greener motors but then backed out.
    Could be one of the reason. But I think Bernie would rather please Ferrari, Mclaren, and Mercedes since they are the real money makers in F1 and not Renault. F1 would never survive without them.

    That would be great if Audi comes to F1, hopefully this will convince BMW to return also.
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    Well, it is official.
    On the Formula1.com site:

    FIA confirms 1.6 turbo engines for 2014 29 Jun 2011

    The FIA, motorsport’s governing body, has confirmed that Formula One racing will move to new engine regulations in 2014, with the current 2.4 litre V8s being replaced by more efficient 1.6 litre, turbocharged V6s.

    The FIA had originally planned a switch to four-cylinder engines in 2013, but has approved the revised formula in light of concerns formalised last week by various interested parties.

    “Following a fax vote by its members, the World Motor Sport Council has ratified the engine regulations recently drawn up in consultation with the main stakeholders in Formula One,” read an FIA statement.

    “The new power plant will be a V6 1.6 turbo unit with energy recovery systems. This new formula will come into effect as from the start of the 2014 FIA Formula One World Championship season.”

    The new energy recovery systems (ERS) will replace the current kinetic energy recovery systems (KERS) and are expected to be more powerful. Combined with the legalisation of turbocharging, they will ensure overall power outputs remain similar to current levels, despite an anticipated drop in the permitted rev limit.

    Formula One’s last turbo era ended in 1988, a season dominated by the 1.5 litre V6 Honda-powered McLaren’s of Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna. The sport returned to naturally aspirated engines in 1989, with a new 3.5 litre formula.
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    With all these new regulations added to that Bernie Eccelstone's managing practices, its looking more and more likely the top teams will leave F1 to create their own racing series. I hope they do, because I miss the days of when F1 was all about inovation and pushing the envelope. With the way F1 is going they might as well have all the drivers race in FIA spec'd cars and engines created by a single company.

    Oh wait they did do that with A1 GP and look where they are...
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    1.6 liter turbo V6's are kind of interesting at least. Better than the turbo 4's they were originally proposing.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Scourge82 Click here to enlarge
    With all these new regulations added to that Bernie Eccelstone's managing practices, its looking more and more likely the top teams will leave F1 to create their own racing series. I hope they do, because I miss the days of when F1 was all about inovation and pushing the envelope. With the way F1 is going they might as well have all the drivers race in FIA spec'd cars and engines created by a single company.

    Oh wait they did do that with A1 GP and look where they are...
    Why? What do they not like about this move?

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    A lot of manufacturers have no 1.6 V6 Turbo engines in their repertoire. Ferrari has not, nor has Mercedes. They do not want to put a lot of money and effort into an engine they can/will not develop for street use.
    Renault is very exited about tihs and want this pushed through because they can incorporate a lot what is learned from this new engine to street car engines.
    Expect new Renault streetcar models with a 1.6 V6 Turbo in 2015.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
    A lot of manufacturers have no 1.6 V6 Turbo engines in their repertoire. Ferrari has not, nor has Mercedes. They do not want to put a lot of money and effort into an engine they can/will not develop for street use.
    Renault is very exited about tihs and want this pushed through because they can incorporate a lot what is learned from this new engine to street car engines.
    Expect new Renault streetcar models with a 1.6 V6 Turbo in 2015.
    Let's be realistic though, the F1 motors will not look anything like production counterparts.

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