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    Nitrous safety measure

    I believe I am the first to build this feature into a nitrous installation:

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    Why are there 4 contacts? Safety measures. I'm now adding a "safety circuit" to all my nitrous system installations which won't allow the system to be active unless all the components are plugged in. When all the components are connected, they will form a series circuit leading to the relay that powers the controller. It's low-tech, but it will work.

    For those that aren't aware, I had a serious incident with a car when I forgot to plug in the fuel solenoids, and ran a 200 shot of nitrous through the engine without any fuel.

    Some will ask why not just hard wire all the solenoids to the wiring harness. It's a valid question. Quit simply, you need to be able to work on these things to keep the system running optimally, or to change power levels. Adding connectors makes this process a lot easier. In the case of the Pulsoids used on this system, the internals have an optimum setting for each power level requiring the removal of the Pulsoid to be set up properly.

    And for anyone wondering what connectors I'm using: Deutch Autosport DTM series.

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    sweet! Exactly what i come to expect from you!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by jacobs323i Click here to enlarge
    sweet! Exactly what i come to expect from you!
    Thanks. The connectors are from Neel.

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    This all sounds very logical, why hasn't anyone else applied this?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    For those that aren't aware, I had a serious incident with a car when I forgot to plug in the fuel solenoids, and ran a 200 shot of nitrous through the engine without any fuel.
    I remember reading about this years back on fanatics, or whenever it was. It was very serious as I recall, hope the healing process went well and that was a very scary situation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This all sounds very logical, why hasn't anyone else applied this?
    I really don't know.

    I'm in pretty regular contact with some top-level nitrous users, and they have never thought of doing this either. It begs the question: What are people focused on?

    I even presented this to a couple of nitrous manufacturers, and none of them have followed up on the idea....which kind of makes sense because market demand for nitrous safety measures is actually pretty low. Most people want to bolt things on as cheaply as possible and go.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I remember reading about this years back on fanatics, or whenever it was. It was very serious as I recall, hope the healing process went well and that was a very scary situation.
    I was a very bad situation...but it really turned my life around as well. I wouldn't change a thing if I could go back to the that day....

    Healing is 99.9% done....most people would never believe I had 2nd and 3rd degree burns on my face.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    Healing is 99.9% done....most people would never believe I had 2nd and 3rd degree burns on my face.
    This is what I was worried about and I didn't want to ask any uncomfortable questions. Glad there is no permanent damage and I commend you for how you handled the adversity.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    I even presented this to a couple of nitrous manufacturers, and none of them have followed up on the idea....which kind of makes sense because market demand for nitrous safety measures is actually pretty low. Most people want to bolt things on as cheaply as possible and go.
    That does make sense but you essentially delivered to them an idea that isn't all that difficult to implement and will make a difference. I guess it shouldn't surprise us making $ with what they have is the priority over safety.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This is what I was worried about and I didn't want to ask any uncomfortable questions. Glad there is no personal damage and I commend you for how you handled the adversity.
    Thanks. There was one very close friend that I credit with how well my burns healed. Without her and her family, I would surely be scared. The doctors called it a miracle....

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    That does make sense but you essentially delivered to them an idea that isn't all that difficult to implement and will make a difference. I guess it shouldn't surprise us making $ with what they have is the priority over safety.
    I think it comes down to what value people place on safety measures. If I were making nitrous systems, they would include a ton of parts that are normally "options" or "accessories". The kits would be $2k though instead of $500....

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    Where did you buy these from Adam? I found the connectors but can't find the store (maybe I'm just blind). They look really clean and well put together.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bimmerdude Click here to enlarge
    Where did you buy these from Adam? I found the connectors but can't find the store (maybe I'm just blind). They look really clean and well put together.
    Technical info can be found here:

    http://www.deutsch.net/deutsch-produ...ch.aspx?page=3

    Type: Connectors

    Market: Autosport

    Scroll down and click on DTM

    All of these connectors, wire, and heat shrink can be bought from Apex Speed Technology

    neel@apexspeedtech.com

    dj@apexspeedtech.com

    For anyone wondering what the difference is between "weather pack" connectors:

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    Technical info can be found here:

    http://www.deutsch.net/deutsch-produ...ch.aspx?page=3

    Type: Connectors

    Market: Autosport

    Scroll down and click on DTM

    All of these connectors, wire, and heat shrink can be bought from Apex Speed Technology

    neel@apexspeedtech.com

    dj@apexspeedtech.com

    For anyone wondering what the difference is between "weather pack" connectors:

    http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...il201155-1.jpg
    What is the price for all these parts and who would you recommend to do the install for someone not as comfortable tinkering with their nitrous system?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    What is the price for all these parts and who would you recommend to do the install for someone not as comfortable tinkering with their nitrous system?
    I bought in a quantity, so my pricing may not be the same as someone looking for just a couple. Just the same:

    DTM 4 way connector: $13 for male/female connector and all contacts.

    DT 4 way connector: $11 for male/female connector and all contacts.

    Wire depends on how much you buy, the quality, and size....but it's generally not that bad. The heat shrink is what will shock you....with pricing anywhere from $2/ft and up.

    Install is a bit of a tricky thing. There are guys that do nitrous, and there are guys that do wiring....I haven't really run into anyone that does both. Usually the guys that do quality nitrous hardware installs on a manifold leave the wiring to someone else; basically whoever is actually going to run the car. That said, I'm doing everything for Santiago with his manifold; what he'll be receiving is a fully plumbed manifold with wiring harnesses already attached.

    I have 1 guy that I'd recommend in the US, his name is Steve Johnson. I would ask if he can do Deutch Autosport connectors, and aircraft wiring...

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    Thanks Adam, next round of stuff (my RX7 build) I see myself using these.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bimmerdude Click here to enlarge
    Thanks Adam, next round of stuff (my RX7 build) I see myself using these.
    Details on RX7 build? General automotive is a good place to post, we don't discriminate.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Details on RX7 build? General automotive is a good place to post, we don't discriminate.
    Right now its just a stripped shell that has everything I took out of it shoved back in. I will gladly post the thread once I get started on the project (working on something more exciting that I should have some pics worthy of posting next week).

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    A few pictures of the system that this safety measure was used on below:

    System as delivered from WON:

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    Flow testing the nitrous distribution capabilities:

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    Upgraded nitrous distribution block as per my specs:

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    Flow testing to confirm suitability:

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    Fuel nozzle installation:

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    Nitrous discharge installation:

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    Building the bracket to hold the 6 Pulsoids:

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    Mock up:

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    Finished plumbing:

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    The system is has been flow tested to deliver over 450hp of nitrous and fuel in it's current configuration, but has been jetted down significantly for the owner's initial installation.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    A few pictures of the system that this safety measure was used on below:

    System as delivered from WON:
    This is just more of a curiosity question, but why WON? I know they have good stuff, but they are UK based right? So doesn't it take longer to get and wouldn't that make it more expensive?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    This is just more of a curiosity question, but why WON? I know they have good stuff, but they are UK based right? So doesn't it take longer to get and wouldn't that make it more expensive?
    They just have a much better product in many areas.

    The more I learned about nitrous, the more the product appealed to me. Now that's not to say that there are things I don't like, but on the whole the Pulsoid technology has not been matched by any other nitrous company.

    As far as waiting for things....I just buy in bulk, so I've always got extra stuff as I need it. Sure that's kind of expensive....but I do the same thing in other areas and it just makes things so much easier when working on projects.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    They just have a much better product in many areas.

    The more I learned about nitrous, the more the product appealed to me. Now that's not to say that there are things I don't like, but on the whole the Pulsoid technology has not been matched by any other nitrous company.

    As far as waiting for things....I just buy in bulk, so I've always got extra stuff as I need it. Sure that's kind of expensive....but I do the same thing in other areas and it just makes things so much easier when working on projects.
    I'm going to be sure to talk to you when the time comes for me to add nitrous on top of my motor. Still leaning toward a push system but we'll see Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm going to be sure to talk to you when the time comes for me to add nitrous on top of my motor. Still leaning toward a push system but we'll see Click here to enlarge
    You know where to find me.

    BTW, WON has a push setup, it's just not advertised. The recommend other areas are optimized first before going that route.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    The recommend other areas are optimized first before going that route.
    What are those areas?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    What are those areas?
    Well it's just a different philosophy....

    As I understand it, WON uses the "Push" to compensate pressure drop down track. You still end up having a bottle heater to set the base pressure. (Which I totally agree on) It's a booster system for use, not a booster system to get your starting pressure at the right point.

    What you want to have optimized to start with is the efficiency of the nitrous system. If you've got that right, you'll see a LOT less pressure drop down track for multiple reasons.

    The Nano system ignores this, and in fact acts as a band-aid for flow problems.

    WON has little interest in selling push systems though, because the people that really need them fall directly into the market for their "smooth" system known as the REVO. That's a HUGE topic in itself though....

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    As I understand it, WON uses the "Push" to compensate pressure drop down track. You still end up having a bottle heater to set the base pressure. (Which I totally agree on) It's a booster system for use, not a booster system to get your starting pressure at the right point.
    That is pretty interesting, kind of a best of both world's. So use heat to set the pressure and then the push to keep it up. That should mitigate any issues with temp or elevation right?

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    WON has little interest in selling push systems though, because the people that really need them fall directly into the market for their "smooth" system known as the REVO. That's a HUGE topic in itself though....
    Never heard of the REVO, going to read up on it now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Never heard of the REVO, going to read up on it now.
    Despite years of hype, what the REVO promises on the nitrous side is real.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PEI330Ci Click here to enlarge
    Despite years of hype, what the REVO promises on the nitrous side is real.
    I need more details on this, or possibly a new thread if its as massive of a topic as you say it is?

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