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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    I was told by some F/I tuners that ATA was the way to go with the centris. I'm not sure why to be honest.
    Why would that be? I'm not sure, but I have run water-air on a centri and it has worked out quite well for me.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    Something I am unsure of and would love to know more about is the benefits of water-air vs ATA. Isn't water-to-air just using a heat exchanger up in front of the car?
    Well water can absorb more heat than air, so it will be able to move away more heat.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why would that be? I'm not sure, but I have run water-air on a centri and it has worked out quite well for me.


    Well water can absorb more heat than air, so it will be able to move away more heat.
    I don't know why they said that. Perhaps it's the simplicity of the design of the ATA.

    Is your water-to-air via a heat exchanger up front?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge

    Is your water-to-air via a heat exchanger up front?
    Yes.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Yes.
    Thanks. That's what I was thinking.

    My last car also had a water-to-air heat exchanger up front. I had a twin screw on top of the motor.

    The difference between our cooling designs, though, was my top mount aslo had intercoolers I believe under the blower's rotors? I'm not 100% sure on that. The intercooler blocks could have been on top of the rotors. It was a Kenne Bell.

    I'll admit, I'm confused on this topic. Just trying to better understand the cooling design of the E46 supercharger system.

    Thanks for the feedback.

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    I like air to liquid better than air to air because of the cooling potential while cruising and idling. Then when you get on it, the cooling is there. No waiting for your intercooler to cool down.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    I like air to liquid better than air to air because of the cooling potential while cruising and idling. Then when you get on it, the cooling is there. No waiting for your intercooler to cool down.
    I think that's a really good point. And especially when you live in hotter ambient climates.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
    Thanks. That's what I was thinking.

    My last car also had a water-to-air heat exchanger up front. I had a twin screw on top of the motor.

    The difference between our cooling designs, though, was my top mount aslo had intercoolers I believe under the blower's rotors? I'm not 100% sure on that. The intercooler blocks could have been on top of the rotors. It was a Kenne Bell.

    I'll admit, I'm confused on this topic. Just trying to better understand the cooling design of the E46 supercharger system.

    Thanks for the feedback.
    There is a core inside the manifold. It runs liquid through it which is cooled by the heat exchanger in the from on the car. The air is cooled by the liquid in the core in the manifold.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    There is a core inside the manifold. It runs liquid through it which is cooled by the heat exchanger in the from on the car. The air is cooled by the liquid in the core in the manifold.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    There is a core inside the manifold. It runs liquid through it which is cooled by the heat exchanger in the from on the car. The air is cooled by the liquid in the core in the manifold.
    I understand that.

    This is where I get confused: I didn't have a "liquid cooled" Kenne Bell blower. I could have upgraded for one--would have only cost a little more than a grand. So, I had a non-liquid cooled blower. I still had the heat exchanger and I still had the IC core. I asked KB several times and they told me more than once that unless I was running higher than about 12psi (I wasn't even close to that) I wouldn't see the gains from the liquid cooling.

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    duh u expected the vette to keep up lolClick here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sorena Click here to enlarge
    oh i remember the E46 guy , was a completely dick !! the username was something like Imola Red E46 or something like that
    kept bashing everyone on M3post !
    I'm not a dick at all dude, just ask anyone who knows me. I just didn't like seeing all the BS about Gintani/OE posted on M3forum. So I decided to put up some valid examples.
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    As far as the kit goes, We chose to run the Si trim instead of the T trim, being that the T-trim really isn't necessary. Dyno proved that the Si trim was making slightly more power at a much sooner rpm then the T-trim on the same application. Also note that my car is only running CSL headers and we are still building a full exhaust for it, which should yield some extra power as well.

    My goal with this kit is 500rwhp on race gas + meth once the exhaust is built, on Gintani's Dyno Dynamics. Which as I understand, is somewhere in the 550rwhp area on a DynoJet.
    I can probably get near that number as the car sits with just running race gas but I want the car to sound a little better as well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ImolaMpower Click here to enlarge
    I'm not a dick at all dude, just ask anyone who knows me. I just didn't like seeing all the BS about Gintani/OE posted on M3forum. So I decided to put up some valid examples.
    Nobody likes seeing that stuff but if you are expecting to be able to provide examples and actually be able to provide your perspective m3forum is the wrong venue.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ImolaMpower Click here to enlarge
    We chose to run the Si trim instead of the T trim, being that the T-trim really isn't necessary
    Why not? You mean for stock internals?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why not? You mean for stock internals?
    He is saying that the Si trim is more efficient at the impeller speed they are running (10psi). Once you start raising the boost and getting out of the efficiency window, the T trim will be a better choice.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    He is saying that the Si trim is more efficient at the impeller speed they are running (10psi). Once you start raising the boost and getting out of the efficiency window, the T trim will be a better choice.
    Gotcha and yes, that is correct.

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    Very exciting. What are you going with? I love the sound of the V1. Straight cut gears. Mmmmm...

    The v7 look mighty nice under my hood. Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    He is saying that the Si trim is more efficient at the impeller speed they are running (10psi). Once you start raising the boost and getting out of the efficiency window, the T trim will be a better choice.
    Exactly.

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    compared to all these dct's that vette sounds like it takes an hour to shift

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    dang that m3 pulls, would be nice to have a Gintani vs. VF e46 m3 run too if u catch my drift Click here to enlarge
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    How about Gintani vs VF vs RMS?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
    Very exciting. What are you going with?
    I honestly don't know.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ImolaMpower Click here to enlarge
    I'm not a dick at all dude, just ask anyone who knows me. I just didn't like seeing all the BS about Gintani/OE posted on M3forum. So I decided to put up some valid examples.
    i don't know man , what you were saying there sounded it was coming from a douche , but i agree with Sticky, the poisoned atmosphere at M3Forum makes you sick !
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yukohama Click here to enlarge
    dang that m3 pulls, would be nice to have a Gintani vs. VF e46 m3 run too if u catch my drift Click here to enlarge
    I'll be going to Mfest. I hope to run some VF, AA, HPF (stage 1 & 2), ESS (e46 and e9x) cars, and some E60 M5/6's, or whatever else.

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    Looks awesome!
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