" This may actually be a great race. The dct will pull down low for sure. But once the m3 gets that boost hitting in a good gear, it's going to reel him in quickly. The benefit is sticky has that damn dct and a blower which will give him a solid jump on the hit. "
Confused? I think you agreed with me in a backhanded way but I am not sure. It is tough to discern tone from email/forum posts/text messages. In case you read my post backwards, I put the SMG in the same category as a slow shifting noodle/stick. DCTs and purpose built Autos will always be quicker than either (SMG or Manual of any kind). I still prefer to row but I know it is slower.
Lots of data available for you Stinky to mull over from the same cars. From fully built T56 magnum rowers versus a Th350/400 (GT500 mustangs, Camaros etc) in the same car to stock 6mt versus a powerglide/th400 setup (2JZ Supras). Mustang, Corvette, Camaro and Supra worlds have had a couple of decades teasing out the differences.
The data I used to see was merely 60 ft times and 1/8 mile trap speeds when I first got into this debate (mid 90's). Lucky for you,
Vbox logs are EVERYWHERE these days.
Lol. I had to re read what you said originally. My bad I'm tired. Loooooong day. As far as data goes I was just talking in terms of smg vs manual. "
Mert is correct gentleman. Manual rowing will not hold a candle to a properly built auto transmission. Plenty of vbox data out there for you to mull over. Notice the force loss, and boost loss between each gear change with a manual or SMG box.
I am a manual guy myself but I understand its limitations.
Add boost and it is really not fair as the auto holds the boost and maintains higher g's between each gear.
Not to disagree with you, but when it comes to a trans like the th series or a dct, then yes its not possible to beat rowing manually. The smg 2 is lazy, slow, and extremely outdated not to mention apples to oranges when compared to the dct. I would love to see shift data vs a manual. I have a vbox so soon enough I will be able to log my shifts for comparison. "
" Awesome numbers. Really pushing the limits now. Gintani definitely has and will continue to have my upmost respect. Incredible builds come from that shop. Congratulations to you and gintani. Question here though, will they produce a ysi kit now or is this simply just a one off build? "
A good manual driver should be able to shift faster than the automatic. I've only ever seen a DCT have an advantage over a manual. Do you have any data?
Exactly. Or for $30 you can have a modified CDV or clutch delay valve, so there is no delay in shifts. I shift quicker than an smg trans. I've driven 3 different smgs and have raced a friend in his. Although he didn't have the csl software when we ran. "
Im trying to find a parts breakdown to see if I have the bolts and necessary hardware. Do you have the stock intake on your car? I believe there's 4 bolts that hold the box in place but my afe has 4 but possibly in a different location. I'm not sure though because my car never had the factory intake. Just afe stage 1 and now the stage 2. "
lol i found one in the garage today. you need just the intake (airbox/maf/etc) NOT the entire intake plenum correct? if so i got the intake plenum too. both parts are in different garages tho.
I don't need the entire plenum. Just need the air box the filter sits in, all the mounting hardware to install the factory air box, and that's it. I already have the elbow, I can reuse the one from my afe, and a new filter as well. "
Can't you just get this from VAC or from a dealer?
Vac idk, from a dealer it would be expensive. Be a lot easier and cheaper to grab one from a member who has one sitting around. I only need it since I just ordered rpi scoops. Doesn't work so well with the afe. "