• The other side of the story regarding Bavarian Solutions and Herrubermensch's (Peter's) forced induction M5 build/motor issues


      Here is the other side of the story that includes pieces from Bavarian Solutions perspective. This information was sent to BimmerBoost anonymously and we will present the information to you to come to your own conclusion. Thus far, Bavarian Solutions has been relatively quiet while many have taken the owners side some having jumped to conclusions. What we present here is inside information to balance out what was been written thus far and provide additional insight which members have requested.

      The owner of the car, Peter, goes by the name Herrubermensch and is a financial/bankruptcy attorney. What we have learned is the owner has bluffed about the motor being disassembled for "forensic" evidence and the car is currently sitting as is at Northeast Motorsports. The owner has been difficult to please and has thrown his weight around as an "attorney" from the beginning. His deal for the built motor was, well, quite the deal. How good? Almost cost on parts and very little on discounted labor. He was in constant communication with Dave at Bavarian Solutions and received quick responses to all of his frequent inquiries, any time of day. We have been told he is difficult to please and demands things to be done his way. Some would describe this as suffering from "attorney syndrome." He makes it very clear to everyone he is an attorney, how important his firm is, how much they bill, etc.

      Now, it is true the first built motor was blown and Bavarian Solutions rebuilt it. However, the cause of the failure has been determined to be a defective bank one VANOS unit. Mike from NorthEast Motorsports verified that the defect caused a binding issue. It would seem Peter (the owner of the car in question) agrees with this assessment. When the motor was spun by hand it would lock and when this happens it causes the pistons to collide with the valves which is obviously not a good thing. Bavarian Solutions received blame for this motor although it is my opinion it should be directed at Dr. Vanos. Bavarian Solutions has stayed out of it and is not slinging mud at anyone even though they are taking heat for a failure caused by something which was not their responsibility.

      The second failure is either a result of the tuner or the installation. We do not definitively know yet as the motor has not been taken apart to determine the point of failure. We will not delve into the pricing and such but the second motor was not done for free and that is the most we can say about that. Due to the VANOS issue not being sorted they decided not to install it on the second motor. There are a couple videos on M5board that show the motor running fine prior to the tuning. There was nothing wrong with the motor at this point except for a rough idle obviously due to the cams not being calibrated. When the oil was analyzed from the second failure after the tuning, there was no copper in it which has to do with the bearings. There was only aluminum and since Bavarian Solutions uses these pistons in their forced induction builds they are familiar what the results look like due to a piston failure from lack of fuel which is what they believe accounts for the aluminum in the oil.

      The tuner was the mysterious Mr. X who has a reputation as a guru. However, why the need for anonymity? All other tuners do not hide behind a secret name. What is the reason for it here? Well, Mr. X's amazing abilities may be a bit overblown. There are two high-dollar failures in South Africa that are attributed to him and he quickly vanished from the scene after the failures, smart move when dealing with big dollar builds in South Africa. This is an area where the anonymity works in his favor as there is apparently a price on his head and a warrant seeking his arrest. There happen to also be a few clients in Puerto Rico who are not too happy with his work. Now the motor ran fine before it was tuned and during the tuning process they heard a loud pop which is documented and they pushed forward.

      So what is the true story here? Well, you decide, but our job is to provide you all the pieces. The first failure it would not appear was the fault of Bavarian Solutions and all parties decided to stay away from the VANOS for a reason it would seem. No copper in the oil of the second failure shows it likely was not a build issue. Dave the owner of Bavarian Solutions offered to take the motor apart at his cost to determine the cause of failure. That speaks of confidence in the build and of a courtesy to the customer even though Bavarian Solutions does not have to do this by any means. In addition, Dave offered to do this disassembly in front of Peter with any witnesses he wished to show there was nothing to hide. Peter has not taken Bavarian Solutions up on this and instead has decided to flaunt his legal muscle.

      We will keep you updated on any additional developments but this is where things currently stand.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: Bavarian Solutions and Herrubermensch's (Peter) M5 forced induction build - blown motor started by BigM62 View original post
      Comments 343 Comments
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Who is raza?
        A Texas version of Dennis the menace.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Lol isn't raza the kid who threw all the bolts in like a bucket and then they had to spend hours figuring out what goes where? Yeah have him build your motor that's genius!
      1. milkt's Avatar
        milkt -
        Its good to see the possibility of future upgrades for the m5 and such,
        but jesus what a soap opera to get there.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Motor has been completed apparently:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Herrubermensch Click here to enlarge
        Oh, and BTW, my engine was completed early this morning and is ready for shipment. Will be installed and broken in in the first week of June.

        Just to be clear, this is an entirely different engine that makes no use of any of the components (other than the water pump) from the Bavarian Solutions engine. Dave V and I are still trying to work out what to do with that engine, though Dave has indicated he believes all of the components are reusable.

        --Peter
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Herrubermensch Click here to enlarge
        Not quite. This build is slightly more tame: No solid lifters, no custom cams, but it does have fully ported Stage IV VAC heads and a strong bottom end with 10:1 compression. I want to get my car running again for the first time in 10 months, then start to play with different cams and higher boost, etc. This build should put me solidly in the 600-700 whp range, maybe higher with 100% meth and/or race gas. Then I'll determine whether to change cams, etc.

        --Peter
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Lol isn't raza the kid who threw all the bolts in like a bucket and then they had to spend hours figuring out what goes where? Yeah have him build your motor that's genius!
        AH, that kid, lol.
      1. DallasM5's Avatar
        DallasM5 -
        lol what a toolbag!!!

        i bet that raza kid cant build 2 forged engines in a week. much less assemble one in 5 hours with scattered bolts.

        scrub!
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Why do people still insist on 100% meth? Didn't IrishRace post up results and that the best was a 60/40 mix?
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
        Why do people still insist on 100% meth? Didn't IrishRace post up results and that the best was a 60/40 mix?
        Let him run 100% Meth. I'd love to read that story too.
      1. DallasM5's Avatar
        DallasM5 -
        id love to read the story of your car leaving RMS one day.
      1. BigM62's Avatar
        BigM62 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DallasM5 Click here to enlarge
        id love to read the story of your car leaving RMS one day.
        LOL. It has been there for 3 months. Do you really wake up each morning, look in the mirror, and say," Gomer, we gon git some totay!"
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Did this guys third attempt ever get going?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Did this guys third attempt ever get going?
        No idea.
      1. Bimmerbear's Avatar
        Bimmerbear -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Did this guys third attempt ever get going?
        Yeah.

        http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39...tallation.html
      1. Terminator-N54's Avatar
        Terminator-N54 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by THATDONFC Click here to enlarge
        That car needs a v7.
        i lol'ed
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bimmerbear Click here to enlarge
        Thanks, wonder what resolution they came to or what happened with all the finger pointing? Just hope it gets done and he is happy.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Wow just read that whole thread and I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like a total dick but that guy is on his fourth engine and he's HOPING to make 650whp? He's probably spent 60k in engines and that's it? Holy epic fail batman! He must be hating that thread with the 2jz in that M5. I was hoping he would have made 800-900whp after all that work.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Wow just read that whole thread and I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like a total dick but that guy is on his fourth engine and he's HOPING to make 650whp? He's probably spent 60k in engines and that's it? Holy epic fail batman! He must be hating that thread with the 2jz in that M5. I was hoping he would have made 800-900whp after all that work.
        It's kind of a mess to say the least.
      1. Bimmerbear's Avatar
        Bimmerbear -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Thanks, wonder what resolution they came to or what happened with all the finger pointing? Just hope it gets done and he is happy.
        We'll never hear about it.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bimmerbear Click here to enlarge
        We'll never hear about it.
        Maybe not, but that's ok. As long as his motor is getting done and good companies aren't getting mud slung at them all over the internet.

        Hopefully we will be happy. All I know is forced induction and BMW's is messy business but yet we all love it.
      1. Bimmerbear's Avatar
        Bimmerbear -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Maybe not, but that's ok. As long as his motor is getting done and good companies aren't getting mud slung at them all over the internet.

        Hopefully we will be happy. All I know is forced induction and BMW's is messy business but yet we all love it.
        Funny thing, his newest motor was built by Raza (aka DallasM5, or tradin1), who used to get so much $#@! on M5Board. Now that everyone's seen that he, a college student, has built two of these motors successfully while other established companies have not, some people are kinda eating what they've said. Although he might not be the most personable to some, he's doing something right.

        I'm just in for the numbers. That's all I care about.