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    • All hail the new king - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio takes on the BMW F80 M3 Competition Package, W205 Mercedes-AMG C63 S, and Cadillac ATS-V

      This comparison video comes from MotorTrend who lately has focused more on trying to force comedy than quality comparisons. This is a segment that many of us here take very seriously as enthusiasts due to owning (or having owned) the cars in question.


      For decades the sport sedan segment was dominated by the BMW M3. Basically, it was just everyone else gunning for the M3. Clearly, that has changed. BMW M slipped and everyone else got better. A hell of a lot better.

      There is even a notable new contender from Alfa Romeo. Their entry is the Giulia Quadrifoglio which boasts some impressive specifications. Namely, the turbocharged 2.9 liter V6 produces 505 horsepower. On paper, that is a ton of power from the displacement. Think of it this way, even the new Porsche 911 GTS with its 3.0 liter engine is over 50 horses short. What other factory motor makes that kind of power from this displacement?

      Well, the S55 engine in the F80 M3 does although not officially. It is rated at 425 horsepower but the car punches well above its claim. This F80 M3 also has the optional Competition Package which raises output among other things. Unfortunately, while the power and torque are great the car is now more dragster than the perfectly balanced and razor sharp driver's tool it once was. It just isn't quite what it was and it that is partially why others can easily now match (and exceed) its main aspects.

      So far we have two cars with turbo six cylinder motors. See a pattern yet? Well, the ATS-V joins the trend although its 3.6 liter LF4 engine offers more displacement. Which is a good thing as the ATS-V is heavier than the aforementioned cars at roughly 3800 pounds. It's a good thing the ATS-V LF4 responds so well to basic tuning.

      Speaking of heavy and big displacement, that is where the C63 S comes into the picture. It is the heaviest car out of the group at over 3900 pounds. It also has the largest motor with its 4.0 liter twin turbo M177 V8. The C63 can be thought of as more of a rear wheel drive E63 than a nimble sports sedan.

      Let's start with the laptimes.

      Giulia: 2:00.21
      M3: 2:00.61
      ATS-V: 2:00.81
      C63 S: 2:02.49

      The Competition Package addresses complaints with the F80 M3 and improves performance. Namely, the torque doesn't just turn it into a drift machine and it plants its rear end better. The ATS-V is right on its tail but comes up short. The C63 S is just way behind the other two and considering how portly it is and how it is tough to keep the rear in line that is no surprise.

      What is a surprise is that the Giulia Quadrifoglio beats up on everyone. Its handling is just superb. Even though the M3 is lighter and slightly better balanced the Giulia still rules the racetrack.


      So Alfa's first attempt tops everyone in the segment? How does that happen? MotorTrend calls it perfect despite its grabby brakes and shortcomings in overall interior polish. The main point of criticism we would say is the lack of the manual transmission option in the US and the automatic being forced on you.

      Maybe the Alfa will shake up the segment. The ATS-V was already doing that somewhat but it seems the Alfa Romeo is a better all around package. They did not do any straightline testing but if you equate what car is best to the quickest 1/4 mile time you never really understood what this segment was about in the first place.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: All hail the new king - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio takes on the BMW F80 M3 Competition Package, W205 Mercedes-AMG C63 S, and Cadillac ATS-V started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Optigrab's Avatar
        Optigrab -
        How the heck is the alfa heavier than the M3 with all the carbon fiber
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Optigrab Click here to enlarge
        How the heck is the alfa heavier than the M3 with all the carbon fiber
        No idea. The M3 is still the lightest car in the segment though...
      1. berns's Avatar
        berns -
        Surprised the Alfa is so heavy. Remember I told you I was on the launch for it up in sonoma. I was blown away by that car. Apparently it's running a ton of boost to make that power. The lag and surge of power make it a joy to drive. Sounds better than the M too. Steering is light but ultra, Ferrari quick. Brakes are grabby but they never faded. Car feels like it weighs 3200 lbs. I'd buy one, but I'd miss the manual. The auto trans feels precise and quick like dct.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by berns Click here to enlarge
        The lag and surge of power make it a joy to drive.
        How bad is the lag?
      1. berns's Avatar
        berns -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How bad is the lag?
        I love turbos and accept lag with open arms, but my memory of this thing was definitely being in the wrong gear at low rpm meant a downshift was needed. Felt dead under 3000. They didn't mention it in the videos though - maybe this has been fixed with tuning.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by berns Click here to enlarge
        I love turbos and accept lag with open arms, but my memory of this thing was definitely being in the wrong gear at low rpm meant a downshift was needed. Felt dead under 3000. They didn't mention it in the videos though - maybe this has been fixed with tuning.
        3000 rpm of lag in this day and age is a bit much. That doesn't sound fun.

        I guess it screams once spooled though.
      1. berns's Avatar
        berns -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        3000 rpm of lag in this day and age is a bit much. That doesn't sound fun.
        I guess it screams once spooled though.
        Looks like the torque is available from 2500. Could be gearing, could be lag, could be early-stage tuning woes. You need to drive one. I'll see if I can get another press vehicle and we can do our own review. But yes, when it comes on, and you're in the sweet spot, it's infectious.

        My my friend Max was on the trip with me for R&T. Informative read, along with my photos. https://www.google.com/amp/www.roada...?client=safari
      1. vladi627's Avatar
        vladi627 -
        That upside down triangle on the front end kills the car, lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by vladi627 Click here to enlarge
        That upside down triangle on the front end kills the car, lol
        I agree it looks awkward.

        However, the car certainly stands out.
      1. eric84405's Avatar
        eric84405 -
        This is depressing cause I feel BMW has ceased to innovate as they use to. Being an "also ran" doesn't cut it!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by eric84405 Click here to enlarge
        This is depressing cause I feel BMW has ceased to innovate as they use to. Being an "also ran" doesn't cut it!
        What's depressing is it took the Competition Package to get it to where it is.

        At least they addressed issues with this package though just like they did in the M5.

        Makes you wonder though about who was in charge of signing off the F80 M3 and F10 M5 though.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Someone have the prices for each, as tested?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        Someone have the prices for each, as tested?
        That would be nice to have.

        All I know is the Giulia Quadrifoglio (man that car's name takes forever to type) starts at $72k
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        They were really dogging the standard M3 LOL. Looks like ZCP is the only way to go haha. I bet the Cadillac is the cheapest car and probably the best value of the 4. I'm guessing the other three are $12-25k more than the Cadillac. I bet the other 3 push $85-90k as tested.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        The ATS-V is $60,695. No bargain... but I'm sure you can probably work a dealer a bit harder on it than the others.

        They had some ridiculously cheap lease special not too long ago.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The ATS-V is $60,695. No bargain... but I'm sure you can probably work a dealer a bit harder on it than the others.

        They had some ridiculously cheap lease special not too long ago.
        Well compared to the others that are probably around $85-90k as tested, I'd say the Cadillac is certainly a bargain.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
      1. AWSAWS's Avatar
        AWSAWS -
        It seems we watch the same videos Click here to enlarge

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      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Holy $#@!! That's cheap AF!!!!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Yep, that's the deal. I mean, for that price it's almost worth picking one up just for fun.