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    • DCT Build Part VIII - Putting it back together

      As of right now, the transmission is completed and the cooling system is in the process of being completed. Where we left off was the car being taken to SSP for the build of the cooling system. To make this all make sense we will not skip ahead, instead showing you each step. Here SSP is getting ready to put it together with the new clutch discs. They laid out all the parts and used 3d scanning equipment to record them to aid in the production of the parts. Everything was laid out to make sure the parts were clean and accounted for. Additionally, they were working on prototype viton seals for the transmission. The next update will have details on the cooling system.























      This article was originally published in forum thread: M3 DCT Build Journal - World's First BMW DCT Build started by Sticky View original post
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      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        I know that Gintani is working on a TT M3, I'm wondering... Is that what you've been up to @Sticky ?!

        I probably should not have said anything but, oh well.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I know that Gintani is working on a TT M3, I'm wondering... Is that what you've been up to @Sticky ?!
        No.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        I am just hoping that all this ribbing motivates Sticky to be up Gintani's ass on a daily basis, it's a shame what has happened here. Now sticky is not only getting mad he is also delusional because he seems to think that if his car ever gets completed its going to run with Earls car and mine......that's some funny $#@!.
        Uh huh.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        The worst part is Sticky is constanly making excuses for them.....he is like a battered wife that accepts getting slapped around by her husband and them makes up lies and excuses to her friends about how she got that broken nose slipping and falling in the shower and how she hot that black eye when she bumped into the wall walking in the house at nugt with the lights were off.
        Ok man look, seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about other than seeing a timetable you don't like. I'm fine with it and what is being done so maybe you should be too. It's my car and time and when I'm ready to go over the whole process step by step you'll have a better understanding. Until then, do something else as your same old tune is getting rather boring.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oldgixxer Click here to enlarge
        Correct me if I'm wrong but,is that YOUR car? Sticky I'm a bit disapoint in your ricer math. I stand by my original comment.
        Unless of course your comment about no one reaching this new "level" was not directly aimed at your car but just in general.
        Why so nasty with your reply? Damn bro...
        No my car just happens to have the same blower and will be running more boost. I'm a bit disappointed you don't understand the fact nobody else has done a YSI built motor sleeved M3.

        Why so nasty? Because lot's of people posting idiotic things without knowing what they are talking about or what it takes to build an M3 to this level including what issues one might run into. So when you say no numbers have been reached first of all you are wrong and secondly just wait patiently.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Lolroflmao you owe me a monitor! Hold your head sticky but these last few pages are pure comedy.
        From my side it is funny. It's the same routine OMG so long blah blah blah. Perhaps people can get on the topic of an M3 motor and transmission build instead.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        I think to shut people up for a quick moment. Is to at least get a wheel dyno figure of your actual car right now.
      1. oddjob2021's Avatar
        oddjob2021 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Perhaps people can get on the topic of an M3 motor and transmission build instead.
        I'd love to. In reality I'm probably not qualified as i'm an n54 guy, but i'd like to see discussion. But how can we without new updates from you on your car? It's all secrecy almost, you say you're going to do this huge reveal, and i'm excited, but maybe if you gave us some info that people could eat up and be positive about this thread could get back on track, no? Is it really proprietary? And if that's the case how can you expect us to talk about it if you won't share new updates until it's already done.
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No my car just happens to have the same blower and will be running more boost. I'm a bit disappointed you don't understand the fact nobody else has done a YSI built motor sleeved M3.

        Why so nasty? Because lot's of people posting idiotic things without knowing what they are talking about or what it takes to build an M3 to this level including what issues one might run into. So when you say no numbers have been reached first of all you are wrong and secondly just wait patiently.
        I always go with what "my" actual setup makes,not what the "other guy" makes on the dyno that has all the same parts I have. Same thing with "well,his car has all the same parts&makes the same HP as mine so I should run a 9.99 cause he ran a 9.99"...To me thats ricer math.
        That thread you linked me to is irrelevant IMO since it is not your actual car,just the same blower (and whatever other parts you may or may not share with that build).
        I wasnt trying to offend you,if thats how you took it then it was not my intention.

        I will wait for actual dyno/track numbers from your car patiently&quietly from now on....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I think to shut people up for a quick moment. Is to at least get a wheel dyno figure of your actual car right now.
        Ya like I don't want to post anything. People should just be patient these posts are absurd and idiotic. Easy to sit there and type especially when someone has no idea what is going on.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
        But how can we without new updates from you on your car?
        You'll get them when I post them. Until then I don't know what to tell you.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
        but maybe if you gave us some info that people could eat up and be positive about this thread could get back on track, no?
        No.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        From my side it is funny. It's the same routine OMG so long blah blah blah. Perhaps people can get on the topic of an M3 motor and transmission build instead.
        I'm surprised the speculation and ribbing bothers you frankly, I've seen you speculate on the status of numerous projects(vishnu's, ess cars etc) and speculate so and so blew his motor cause of some thing that seems odd to you etc. I get that you'd like everyone to just never post on this thread til you have something you feel like sharing but if this one anyone elses thread you'd be right in there saying "maybe they blew the motor while breaking it in/tuning it and they dont want to say and they're rebuilding" etc. You more than anyone should know that once you post something on a forum you gotta accept peoples opinions, otherwise dont put anything up in the first place and no one will ever comment.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        I'm surprised the speculation and ribbing bothers you frankly, I've seen you speculate on the status of numerous projects(vishnu's, ess cars etc) and speculate so and so blew his motor cause of some thing that seems odd to you etc. I get that you'd like everyone to just never post on this thread til you have something you feel like sharing but if this one anyone elses thread you'd be right in there saying "maybe they blew the motor while breaking it in/tuning it and they dont want to say and they're rebuilding" etc. You more than anyone should know that once you post something on a forum you gotta accept peoples opinions, otherwise dont put anything up in the first place and no one will ever comment.
        I'm sorry you have to give me specifics as discussion about Vishnu finally brought about comment on the misfires caused by the dual mass flywheel so sorry please point me to baseless speculation you are referring to?

        It doesn't bother me. What bothers me is people are having trouble getting it to sink through their heads that their timetable and what they think in their own mind should happening is not reality. I'm not some retard sitting here twiddling my thumbs and hoping one day a car will get done. I was just there a few days ago, I know what is going on, and I'm more than comfortable/happy with it. So people should probably listen to what I tell them about my own car instead of inventing their own reality.

        Get it?
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Last information given about this car was on Jan 12 2012.
        Sticky then hoped the car would be finished in a month.
        Every event after that his car was on the break of being finished.
        We're 13 months further and he still is defending Gintani for the great job they are doing.
        What can you say...
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        We're 13 months further and he still is defending Gintani for the great job they are doing.
        What can you say...
        Bro really? Ok here's the great job they did. Since flanged sleeves were originally used in three motors and since the deck height of the S65 block gives very little material to work with it wasn't discovered until all three motors were assembled and supercharged and tuned in the cars that by removing material from the block for flanged sleeves causes it to flex under big power. Rather than strengthening it, it weakened it.

        So, three motors disassembled and three new blocks purchased ON THEIR DIME and a new sleeve design in coordination with Darton was figured out which I will not share and not to mention something else regarding rod angles which I won't even get into as no other builder even remotely has a clue. This along with new internals and I decided I wanted higher compression so also new pistons ON THEIR DIME.

        As I said, it's a process and back when I posted everyone was advocating flanged sleeves and nobody even knew what would happen because nobody else is pushing these motors this far. So maybe starting the motor build, internal, and sleeve design over caused a slight delay? But oh, ya, terrible job they are doing GETTING IT RIGHT.

        So, all of you, kindly shut up as you don't know what you're talking about and wait. Go down to the shop or call it to ask for yourself if you need to. YOU. HAVE. NO. CLUE.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Sorry I had to push you there my friend Click here to enlarge
        But finally some information on what's going on.
        Repped for that!
        Edit. Hah catch 22, must spread rep...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Ya like I want to tell companies who haven't done any of this what they should be doing rather than them learning on their own dime. Like Gintani should put in all the reaserch and cost and not reap all the benefit.

        There's a reason the ESS built motor setups only run low boost and aren't even sleeved. I could make close to the same power on a stock motor car.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        I know that Gintani is working on a TT M3, I'm wondering... Is that what you've been up to @Sticky ?!

        I probably should not have said anything but, oh well.
        It will probably be running before Sticky, lol. They keep rolling out new builds don't they?
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Bro really? Ok here's the great job they did. Since flanged sleeves were originally used in three motors and since the deck height of the S65 block gives very little material to work with it wasn't discovered until all three motors were assembled and supercharged and tuned in the cars that by removing material from the block for flanged sleeves causes it to flex under big power. Rather than strengthening it, it weakened it.

        So, three motors disassembled and three new blocks purchased ON THEIR DIME and a new sleeve design in coordination with Darton was figured out which I will not share and not to mention something else regarding rod angles which I won't even get into as no other builder even remotely has a clue. This along with new internals and I decided I wanted higher compression so also new pistons ON THEIR DIME.

        As I said, it's a process and back when I posted everyone was advocating flanged sleeves and nobody even knew what would happen because nobody else is pushing these motors this far. So maybe starting the motor build, internal, and sleeve design over caused a slight delay? But oh, ya, terrible job they are doing GETTING IT RIGHT.

        So, all of you, kindly shut up as you don't know what you're talking about and wait. Go down to the shop or call it to ask for yourself if you need to. YOU. HAVE. NO. CLUE.
        I assume you meant bore spacing gives very little material? Not sure how far along you are in fixing this but why not send the block to Darton and have them R&D a M.I.D. sleeve for you? That's theyre specialty and frankly they will get you exactly what you need plus in the future if you damage a sleeve swapping it is cake. Not a knock on Gintani but performance shop should not be mucking around guessing at sleeve design etc that's $#@! 99% of machine shops cant handle. Darton will get it turned around quick and you'll have a block that will laugh at what you throw at it.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        From my side it is funny. It's the same routine OMG so long blah blah blah. Perhaps people can get on the topic of an M3 motor and transmission build instead.
        This damn thread went off topic about two years ago, How can it stay on topic if OP has not offered any pertinent info regarding the build or status in over a year?
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Hit them up:

        http://dartonsleeves.com/rd_svcs.htm

        Another thing you can do if your running into to weak of a deck is to weld up the water passages from the head and just route water seperately to head and block if done by someone who knows it can help a good bit here is what I mean:

        You can see where the flange for the sleeve goes into the water passages
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        Fully welded, sleeved amd freshly cut
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