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    • HPF Stage 3 E46 M3 vs. 2007 R1

      Here we have a roll on race video between a 2007 Yamaha R1 and a HPF Stage 3 turbo E46 M3. The runs are not honked off so there is not really a definitive start point but both just sort of roll into it for an extended pull on what appears to be an empty road. The two machines are quite evenly matched with what appears to be the M3 inching ahead up top.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: HPF Stage 3 E46 M3 vs. 2007 R1 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I do not believe you.
        I have asked Chris before about doing a kit years ago. His answer was that platform is already covered. The good thing is others are using the same manifold to base e36 kits off of which is basically the best manifold 1 can buy.
      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        Hey GG did you get banned too? lol
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
        Hey GG did you get banned too? lol
        I'm not allowed to post in the FI section after asking which oil pump the HPF kit uses.Click here to enlarge Another forum that doesnt like questions.
      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        i am not allowed to post at all lol
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
        i am not allowed to post at all lol
        I dont really care to post in other sections of that forum. I was interested in the FI section. I mainly post on this forum, and bfc.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
        I dont really care to post in other sections of that forum. I was interested in the FI section. I mainly post on this forum, and bfc.
        So what was the point of that $20?
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GG///M3 Click here to enlarge
        I have asked Chris before about doing a kit years ago. His answer was that platform is already covered. The good thing is others are using the same manifold to base e36 kits off of which is basically the best manifold 1 can buy.


        and you can do the same thing as a hpf stage 4 kit for 12 grand
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        and you can do the same thing as a hpf stage 4 kit for 12 grand
        Built motor + turbo setup yes but you won't reach the same power level...
      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        and you can do the same thing as a hpf stage 4 kit for 12 grand
        Meh i am not sure if you could do it all for that price..

        I mean the turbo new is $1800+, good ic $700, EMS $1000+? right there you are $3k... you then need to fab up an exhaust/ic piping/intake manifold/all the lines.. clutch.. $#@! the list goes on.. Injectors... wastegate/BOV/Turbo manifold..

        Then you need to build a motor and machine work and all that.. Id say if you were to do it all yourself maybe..

        But have someone else do it all for you not so much....
      1. 600whp S4's Avatar
        600whp S4 -
        1. steedspeed mani $1500
        2.bullseye 82mm turbo $1200
        3. dual bosch 044s $400
        4. lines and rail $400
        5.vipec ecu $1500
        6.intercooler $500 with piping
        7. exhaust $900 tops with down pipe
        8.rods pauter $900
        9.pistons $900
        10. fully built head $1200
        12 misc gaskets bolts seals machine work $1500
        13 hpf does not include clutch but hell $1800 for a tilton
        14 hell will not build are own intake mani and buy a DI for $2000
      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        That all looks good on paper, but it never works out that way.. add $3k onto that if you have no clue how to build a motor/fabricate lol..


        Then you need someone to tune it... And depending on who they are it can go anywhere from $500-1000....


        But yes you are right it could be done for less than 1/2 the price of a stage 4 kit if you knew how to build it all yourself...I never said it couldn't be done, just said it was pushing it.... I would also probably stick with the billet 76mm, ive seen how $#@!ty they spool on the M3's i could only imagine if it was 6mm bigger..
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        1. steedspeed mani $1500
        2.bullseye 82mm turbo $1200
        3. dual bosch 044s $400
        4. lines and rail $400
        5.vipec ecu $1500
        6.intercooler $500 with piping
        7. exhaust $900 tops with down pipe
        8.rods pauter $900
        9.pistons $900
        10. fully built head $1200
        12 misc gaskets bolts seals machine work $1500
        13 hpf does not include clutch but hell $1800 for a tilton
        14 hell will not build are own intake mani and buy a DI for $2000
        You are correct. You can knock off half the money since my motor is already built, but I'm honestly not interested in 1000whp. I'm pretty happy with my current setup, but that doesnt mean I wont be down the line. My motor is being pushed to half of what it can do currently.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
        That all looks good on paper, but it never works out that way.. add $3k onto that if you have no clue how to build a motor/fabricate lol..


        Then you need someone to tune it... And depending on who they are it can go anywhere from $500-1000....


        But yes you are right it could be done for less than 1/2 the price of a stage 4 kit if you knew how to build it all yourself...I never said it couldn't be done, just said it was pushing it.... I would also probably stick with the billet 76mm, ive seen how $#@!ty they spool on the M3's i could only imagine if it was 6mm bigger..
        If I wanted to go for 800-1000whp it would cost me about 5k from where I stand at the moment.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So what was the point of that $20?

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      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        What do E36's weigh?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by gringotegra Click here to enlarge
        What do E36's weigh?
        ~3200 depending on equipment.
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        gringotegra -
        So its safe to say a 500whp ish E36 will trap in the mid 120's? 126-127?
      1. gringotegra's Avatar
        gringotegra -
        Yeah seems about right..