• Nex Gen F30 3 series may get 3 cylinder 150 horsepower turbo diesel

      As BMW continues to take focus away from performance and power shifting it to MPG and efficiency, it should surprise no one that BMW is looking into even more frugal/smaller diesels. Auto Express is reporting that the next gen 3 series may feature a 1.5 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel pushing 150 hp. This would undercut the smallest diesel now offered, the 2.0 liter 320d, by a half liter while offering similar performance and cleaner emissions. At this rate, soon BMW's will be running on single cylinder motors powered by our tears.

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      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Thank you DFBIU.

        The ideal solution: Energy generated on site by geo-thermal, wind, solar, water, kinetic movement. This can be stored as electricity and then passed onto an electric car. In this sense it would be more "green", but you would still have to deal with creating the product and the waste left over when it is out of it's useful service life.
        If you generate the electricity this way the best thing to do is to replace the coal firing CO2 emitting electricity production by using the electricity to decrease the consumption which automatically decreases the coal firing plant electricity generation, since the variable costs of it is the highest and it will be decreased the first. After you have used all the electricity to cover your electricity consumption you should seek ways to charge that to the network for others to use and replace coal firing electricity generation. Continue puting gas into your tank since looking at the big picture, internal combustion engine is very efficient.
      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Has anyone considered walking?
        Yes, DBFIU and myself with different outcomes due to the existing choice of home location that in my case is more environmentally friendly Click here to enlarge
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Man electricity is generated by Solar , water , wind ... but %50 of electricity comes from coal , and i don't think it's going to change until 2030.
        ok you don't care about enviorment and all you care is running cost ,but in some countries electricity is quite pricey , so if you are thinking about price ,EV isn't your option since they are very expensive cars
        Anyway You got your EV
        First you had to recharge your car 8 hours on the electricity ,it is so long. it's morning and you are late ,you want to get to work as fast as it's possible so you fire your EV car and drive really fast. you are quite sure that with this pace your can get to work because in brouchore it is said the range is 100 km and you are just 50km far from work. But eventully in middle of way batteries are discharged which is a common thing for EV owners. nothing so bad about it , every other cars can be out of fuel im middle of way but here is the problem , in normal cars you can get some fuel from other cars. but how do you want to get help from others people with an EV car? by gallon? i'm sure they will be some one way to solve this problem but charging for a short period of time is really harmfull for your expensive batteries , this problem will be solved as well ,i'm sure, but not now man , in future.
        other problem is weight , Batteries are really heavy , enough heavy to turn a brilliant sports car (Elise) to a pig (Tesla)
        Electric cars have a long way to go , and they are only just begining.
        All everyone says is it WILL be fixed , it WILL be lighter ... we don't need a thing that WILL be good in future ,we need something that is good in present.
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 654 Click here to enlarge
        Coal firing power plants' efficiency is around 31%. Add electricity network losses and the fact that electric motors are below 100% efficiency as well, so looking at the whole chain the efficiency of a 3-cyl BMW diesel engine is way better than electric cars'.

        Hydrogen is the worst of all since you need to first generate the electricty to produce hydrogen, so there are eve more losses accumulating along the way.
        Exactly.


        Basically electric cars are perfect for stopping harmful emissions. We just need a naturally generated electrical grid. I don't think the government puts enough thought into this....


        Oh, and $#@! nuclear power. Yeah, let's bury giant containers of radioactive, ionizing waste underground that has a half-life of a million years, that's safe and green.
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU -
        I want a nuclear powered car.

        Fill up every 50 years!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
        I want a nuclear powered car.

        Fill up every 50 years!
        Probably a lot of fun in accidents.
      1. e92's Avatar
        e92 -
        When I'm done with my car, I'm taking a break from BMW for a while.
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Probably a lot of fun in accidents.
        Instead of catching on fire from gasoline, youll just melt to death over the course of a few months due to radiation.

        Lulz
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
        Instead of catching on fire from gasoline, youll just melt to death over the course of a few months due to radiation.

        Lulz
        Since it is ionizing it will actually stir up and mutate your DNA. Your cells will begin doing strange $#@!, such as rapid multiplication, attack the wrong/friendly cells, not self destruct, etc.

        Cancer and tumors are fun. How about genetic birth defects for life?
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Cancer and tumors are fun. How about genetic birth defects for life?
        $#@! yea! I've always wanted a pet octopus.
      1. Ronin's Avatar
        Ronin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        I wouldn't care if it had a lawnmower engine if it ends up looking like those renders, that's just absurdly good looking.
        I agree here...those are solid renderings, and it's definitely a body style I'd be interested in, if I were going to go with a 3 series next time around, which I am likely not.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Wow, you read my mind. I was talking about bmw's direction with friends last week. I ended up saying BMW is becoming the Toyota of German car makers. They are building more and more different models, they continue to design smaller and smaller powerplants. Also it has become so easy to aquire a BMW, with the cheap leases. Everyone and their mom has a BMW.
        BMW has made it clear that they are expanding into other avenues, and become more big business, but this shouldn't surprise anyone. Mercedes has been doing it for a while (although via different badges), and BMW needs to do it in order to compete in the other markets, where there is money to be made. They don't want to lose their chance at making that profit. The downside is they're doing it the wrong way, in diluting the brand.

        Regarding seeing BMWs all over, I really think it depends on where you live. I know *I* see them all the time, but I live in a place that it sort of makes sense....and even still, my diesel is still 1 of a kind, even though I've seen about 10 others around here....nobody has one that looks like mine. I'll take that exclusivity all day long (and I *love* my car, not because of its exclusivity, but for the love of GOD it's fun to drive).

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        ^ I've seen a 10 second Cummins dually diesel run in San Antonio. It's pretty crazy too see that much weight (7,000+lbs) and torque (1,200+ft-lbs) at work!
        We have a 1/4th mile track here at Qualcomm that a 1k torque diesel truck runs on...kind of a waste if you ask me. Click here to enlarge
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HeroSina Click here to enlarge
        overall i believe Hydrogen is the future ,not lame hybrids or dirty ass diesel. Electric are so $#@! so i don't say anything about them
        That really depends on what you expect to get out of it. Dirty ass diesels? Those types of comments make me really want to smack you, just because you obviously don't know anything about current generation diesels (not just from BMW, but other manufacturers as well).

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Exactly.


        Basically electric cars are perfect for stopping harmful emissions. We just need a naturally generated electrical grid. I don't think the government puts enough thought into this....


        Oh, and $#@! nuclear power. Yeah, let's bury giant containers of radioactive, ionizing waste underground that has a half-life of a million years, that's safe and green.
        Electric cars may stop harmful emissions, but up until recently, they were 100x more toxic to the environment, due to what it it required just to make the batteries (and then there's the disposal due to the short lifespan). For example, only with the 3rd generation Prius did Toyota finally figure out a better way to manufacture, and make more efficient, the batteries that power the Prius.

        The Jetta TDI sells like hotcakes...I see them all the time. There is no reason for BMW not to bring over a 150hp diesel to compete, and I have a strong belief that it will sell well. There are some definite pluses for it becoming an econo-car, and that won't take away from those people who still want their turbos and their gas engines (or their turbo diesels, for that matter), or their M's.

        BMW is positioning themselves here to make a pretty smart business move, just later than they probably should have. Keep your eyes out, and watch the #'s.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ronin Click here to enlarge
        BMW has made it clear that they are expanding into other avenues, and become more big business, but this shouldn't surprise anyone. Mercedes has been doing it for a while (although via different badges), and BMW needs to do it in order to compete in the other markets, where there is money to be made. They don't want to lose their chance at making that profit. The downside is they're doing it the wrong way, in diluting the brand.
        This is the key, brand dilution and taking it downscale.

        The BMW brand has been diluted, the M brand, and now they are going to do some FWD city car abortion. It's over, BMW is now Toyota.
      1. DBFIU's Avatar
        DBFIU -
        I've said this many times, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Well, as a whole 'ourselves' means all the 16 year old jessicas that want daddy to buy them a BMW. So daddy goes out and buys them an X3 because jessicas friend katie has mommies Audi.

        Demand is what drives a market, it is never the other way around.

        We have become the society of 'gimme it right now, I want a cheap BMW land barge SUV' so, BMW has no choice but to answer by producing what the consumer wants. If the consumer wanted BMW to make toilets they would do that too, damn, right about now I would rather have a BMW toilet than a FWD failcar.
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        us23686 -
        Man, I would love it if someone could give me some rep points. Apparently you can't view certain threads on this website unless you have 10 rep points, but, you also can't help other people get rep points until you have at least 100 rep points. Let's think, if everyone on here starts with 0 rep points, how would anyone ever get rep points?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by us23686 Click here to enlarge
        Man, I would love it if someone could give me some rep points. Apparently you can't view certain threads on this website unless you have 10 rep points, but, you also can't help other people get rep points until you have at least 100 rep points. Let's think, if everyone on here starts with 0 rep points, how would anyone ever get rep points?
        Are you going to say this everywhere? You are going to lose rep points now.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ronin Click here to enlarge
        That really depends on what you expect to get out of it. Dirty ass diesels? Those types of comments make me really want to smack you, just because you obviously don't know anything about current generation diesels (not just from BMW, but other manufacturers as well).
        please don't tell me i know nothing about diesel , because my job is all about diesel
      1. Ronin's Avatar
        Ronin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by HeroSina Click here to enlarge
        please don't tell me i know nothing about diesel , because my job is all about diesel
        Your response in this thread indicates otherwise. If you work with the fuel itself, that may mean you know how dirty it can be in raw form, and even post processed, but that doesn't make you an expert in how current gen sedans/coupes/whathaveyou that make diesel vehicles cleaner than any pure gas car as far as bi-products go. I'll express my opinion if you provide nothing to back yours up, because making a statement such as 'dirty ass diesels' tells me either you don't know jack about your job, or your job has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and you made a thick-headed statement because you work with the fuel in some capacity.

        Either way, I'm not impressed, and would appreciate you either qualifying your statement a bit more clearly, explain to us what it is you do for a living (if you posted it, I don't recall seeing it, and I'm not going to go searching for it) that makes you an expert (since you've self-qualified yourself), or try to make yourself a bit more educated about the discussion at hand.
      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        unlike you i won't attack you ,and i say you are right and i know nothing because i don't want to start an argument
        oh and about my job ,i worked for Total company when they had oil crudes in Iran but after that i started a company which distributes petrol/diesel/...
        if i said something that bothered you , i apologize
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        Amigos, unfortunately the POLITICIANS rule this world and have jumped on the GREEN bandwagon. My ex-girlfriend was BRAINWASHED with the PRIUS bull$#@! that she would swear by it. The dumb biatch didnt even know how the car worked LOL. Anyway, I decided to go test drive the 335d in Orlando while on business trip and DAMN was I convinced that I sold my 02 MCS so that I can have the F*&@! $12,900.00 for taxes F-me. The moral to this is live life as you want it, cause you dont know when you're going to check out anyway!! F'em if you cant joke, joke them if you cant F'em, F'em anyway. Adios amigos
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        At DBFIU look at a prime EXAMPLE, China, cars are been diverted and exclusively redirectd to them because of the demand i.e. an M3 sells for $50k and in CHINA sells for $150K, guess where BMW and other companies will go for sales?

        @ Sorena, we have TOTAL here in the island, just because you have dealt withing your business does not make ANYONE is an expert. I respect your position and commend you in it. Therefore WE ALL "cant't just get along", wasn't that was said by the guy who had his head BASHED IN , in California. LOL