• ESS tuning threatens BimmerBoost with legal action over revealing issues with the supercharged RDsport stroker motor


      Asbjorn from ESS sent some very nasty letters threatening Bimmerboost with legal action over revealing issues with the supercharged stroker motor. Frankly, we do not understand why Asbjorn is doing this as it is completely beneath any professional company and far more could be accomplished by taking the higher road as one would expect the head of a large BMW aftermarket company to do. BimmerBoost does not condone these actions and finds them offensive and unprofessional. No company should say they would take pleasure in hurting anyone.

      Here is what Asbjorn@ESS sent:

      12-28-10:

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
      I am not sure where you have your info from, but Roberts motor was never blown. I hear that you openly post this around the web and I must warn you that legal action will be taken if you do not stop spreading these false rumors immediately. We have had more than enough of your retarded bullshit at this point and you can be sure we will take this one step further if you keep spreading false derogatory information about ESS. Everything you have stated on this matter has been recorded.
      The response stated that our sources have given us different information than what has been posted around the web on the subject. Asbjorn would send another e-mail shortly after:

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
      Well you are wrong, both in this case and other ESS related slander cases and we will prove it in court!

      I consider you the absolute scum of the earth and it will be my pleasure taking you and your parents that funded you down for good!

      Regards,

      Asbjorn Bohn
      ESS Performance Products USA Inc.
      E-Mail : asbjorn@esstuning.com
      Web : http://www.esstuning.com
      Tel : (480)389-4377
      This is simply deplorable. Stating one would take pleasure in hurting a person and their family is not how professional companies operate in the United States. They may not have the First Amendment in Norway, but we sure have it in the United States, and BimmerBoost will not be bullied or intimidated by ESS or anyone else for that matter.

      We realize that AJ likely sent these e-mails in the heat of the moment which is why the response was one that dismissed the idle threats:

      Quote Originally Posted by BimmerBoost
      Happy Holidays to you and everyone at ESS and I wish you the best in the coming New Year. Thanks for doing the same for me and my family as well, you are a class act. Keep reading BimmerBoost.com!
      Asbjorn once again responded with threats:

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
      I do not think you realize what position you put you and your family in when you opened a commercial slander site targeted towards us, but you can rest assured you will find out.

      Good thing your family has some money so we can recover the lost profit from your slandering!

      Happy holidays to you to!
      After this nothing was received for a few days until today, January 2, 2011 when Asbjorn sent another e-mail. His tone was completely different in this one and clearly he realized he made a mistake and attempted to play nice asking to bury the hatchet and move on. The tone expressed here by AJ is one much more in line with what one would expect. Addtionally, we commend Asbjorn on wanting to mend fences and do what is best for ESS and BimmerBoost. We would like nothing more than to do so and thank Asbjorn on the compliments paid to Bimmerboost:

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
      I see you have moderated your views around the net these last few days, and I would if possible try to bury the hatchet with you. Nothing good comes out of a long legal battle, and quite frankly there is no need to keep this war going unless there is no other way.

      FIY :

      I did not mean to sabotage your dyno day like you claim, I was informed by several people in the BMW scene that the outcome would likely be manipulated in every way, shape and form by you as a 110% Gintani loyalist. The decision was not personal at the time. In more recent time I have seen that this was a very correct assessment as you have proven an extreme bias against us. ESS is an honest company, we try to do the best we can by everyone, even if you find that hard to believe. We strive to make the best products we can and we take great pride in what we do.

      We have also never marketed a 600whp version of our kit like you and Jon Martin claim, the highest kit version we have ever sold is the VT2-625 (rated at 530rwhp on 93AKI/98RON), this kit has proven many times to develop significantly more than rating in decent conditions, as has the lower versions of the ESS S65 kit. We have been VERY careful when rating the production kits, and we are not happy unless a majority of customers comes in well above rating even in less than optimal conditions.

      The initial development car (now known as the GS race-car) DID in fact put down 600whp using a 92mm pulley and pump 99RON through a stock exhaust (2007 Euro spec, not the later more restrictive US compatible cat version), we were just as shocked by these results as everyone else but we never claimed production kits would achieve this. If you do not believe us, please contact Morgan at GS Bildeler in Norway for verification of my info and dyno numbers developed on this car during R&D. Now do keep in mind these runs were done in cold weather (40-60F in the dyno room during the winter), and we also ran prototype hardware (thinner welded sheet-metal vs casted/molded parts production kits). We have later dynoed the GS car in normal temperatures (70-80F), using production pieces and it is now in the 540-560whp range depending on fuel used with the same 92mm pulley.

      And last but not least, Roberts engine was just fine when he removed it. I thought he was crazy pulling the engine as well as the car ran phenomenal IMHO, but he wanted 200MPH in the standing mile and that was more important to him than to have a perfectly balanced daily driver for a reasonable amount of money. I really could care less if a RD 4.6 engine blew, as this is not a production S65 and it does not really impact our S65 sales -but facts are it did not. Robert pulled the best 60-130MPH ever on the way to AutoTalent for engine removal. Speak to Sam and Zolti if you do not believe this.

      Speaking of blown engines, we know of several confirmed Gintani engines gone south and I do have proof. We have however not used this against Gintani as we are trying to play fair and professional.

      If possible I would like to keep a professional and honest tone with you in the future, this is even more important for both parties now that you run a good size public forum (quite frankly I am very impressed that you managed to pull the site build/marketing off so well). I know you have to support Gintani and probably always will, but please try to be as honest as you can when voicing your opinions. Slander will get you nowehere in the long run, especially not when you run a public forum.

      It is also not ESS' intention to build 9.5-10PSI kits on stock S65 engines even if we easily could do it using meth. This amount of boost is a receipe for disaster in my opinion and if Gintani wants to go down this alley then we will not compete. We do not care about peak power/acceleration times, we care about trouble free ESS installations and happy customers for years to come. I may be wrong, but this is how we see it. When dealing with 30K engines and 12K transmissions we would rather be safe than sorry. I understand 1/4 mile racers with deep pockets like yourself have different views on the matter and I wish you the best of luck when pushing the S65's boundries! ESS and Gintani caters to different markets, and I believe there is room for both.

      And finally please allow me to wish you and your family a happy new year, and this time I actually mean it!

      Regards,

      Asbjorn Bohn
      ESS Performance Products USA Inc.
      E-Mail : asbjorn@esstuning.com
      Web : http://www.esstuning.com
      Tel : (480)389-4377
      The points raised were addressed and here is part of the response:

      Quote Originally Posted by BimmerBoost
      I have tried to be nice and have always treated you fairly and honesty in every communication. This e-mail is a radical departure from your earlier tone and I think you are sending it to me because you know you made a mistake with what you wrote. When others see it, I think you will get a very negative backlash but that is not my doing. I never threatened you and despite what you said I even made sure you to wish you and ESS well. I just still can not believe you can write me an e-mail like this after what you said to me earlier and after how you did not even bother to take a minute to contact me about the dyno day when I put in so much effort in organizing it specifically around your schedule and requirements.

      I have no doubt you guys could build a kit with meth and run more boost. I'm not denying it and I understand what your goal is with your setup which I do state very often. I'm just shocked and very disappointed with you right now as there is no excuse for what you wrote to me previously and I think you were likely very honest in what you wrote. That is a shame, because you are better than that AJ. I always did think we could come to an understanding.

      I have always meant what I wrote and that is all the best to you, your family, and ESS and I will continue to give your products fair and equal coverage on the front page and throughout the forum as I have been doing. Congratulations on the new 60-130 record, keep up the great work.
      We were more than willing to mend any fences and take the higher ground rather than lob threats and insults but Asbjorn@ESS reverted back to his previous form after I thought we came to an understanding:

      Quote Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESS
      Ahh, I should have know you played nice for a few days so you would get some sympathy for your next artice on the lawsuit. Usual Sticky tactics and I do apologize, I should have known better. You have always been and you always will be an unethical scumbag of the worst kind.

      You should at least know I tried to reason with you.
      Now, we simply have had enough of these threats and insults. This is beneath ESS and BimmerBoost is not going to be pushed around into doing what ESS wants us to do. They can threaten, yell, scream, or even try to play nice for an e-mail or two.

      We have nothing against ESS. We honestly do wish ESS the best and will continue to give the products fair and equal coverage on the front page and throughout the forum. We intend to do what is best for BMW enthusiasts.

      BimmerBoost would like to be the first to extend its hand in friendship despite the threats and insults. We feel this type of behavior from ESS does not do BimmerBoost or ESS any good. We think it needs to stop and we can all be far more productive using this energy to support one another instead of threatening to bring someone else down and taking pleasure in it. We should help one another and start the year off positively, certainly not like this.

      In an effort to make sure we report the most accurate information possible, we will take Robert Collins up on his invitation to take a look at the stroker and the parts as well as his $100 incentive in doing so. We will take pictures and report back exactly what we learn. That is as fair as we can possibly be and it is being done on their terms. It is as simple as that and we wish all parties involved in this the best. It is high time for this all to come to an end and if we have to be the ones to set the precedent on cordial communication and interaction, so be it.
      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS tuning threatens BimmerBoost with legal action over revealing issues with the SC stroker started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Wait, I just went through the front page, thats where I got those numbers from, I literally went through 16 pages looking for stuff that you specifically wrote, since you are the one that is specifically writing the majority of the negative articles.
        We recently launched a new site, BenzBoost.com, and the front page was split and is still not completely updated. You will notice a gap of a few months after August until November. That information is all still being put up but all the front page articles are ones promoted from the forum itself. So an internal search will reveal it all, hence the links.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Im reading about it, and on some other forums as well. Very nefarious characters. Lots of heated stuff between Gintani and Powerchip too looks like
        Yes, very much so, and I wanted to illustrate we certainly do not focus on one company or one issue.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Wait, but didnt you just say you are only basing your information off of what someone told you? I dont understand how that is completely responsible?
        Much reporting is based on what a person states or eye witness accounts. No different here except that I am even willing to follow up on it. How much more can one ask?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Then again, he didnt exactly say he was going to cut them into pieces, looks like he threatened to take them to court because he thinks your parents are financing you.
        Heh, well the interpretation of taking pleasure in taking someone down I'll leave up to you. Cut into pieces? Maybe not too far off from his tone depending on if you interpret that literally. He is free to think whatever he wants but the fact he stooped so low as to go down that route is my point of contention and reflects poorly on the company.
      1. carguy411's Avatar
        carguy411 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Much reporting is based on what a person states or eye witness accounts. No different here except that I am even willing to follow up on it. How much more can one ask?
        Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.
        nothing wrong with fox news.. lets not go there Click here to enlarge
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        MHP LLC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        This is exactly how I feel and even though I do believe it was sent in the heat of the moment an adult should think it through. It is simply a classless move and threatening someone's family and taking pleasure in said threat is certainly crossing the line.
        Agreed, hopefully he will learn from it, cease, and move on.

        Exactly, I have no problem with handling this the right way which is simply to do as was requested and check it out in person. I hold no grudge and will put up exactly what I see. Sounds fair and reasonable to me?
        Very fair and reasonable.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.
        As said, nothing wrong with Fox News lol but I get y our point. Which is why I am going out of my way to set aside the time to settle the issue properly with documentation.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
        Agreed, hopefully he will learn from it, cease, and move on.
        Has no one learned anything from Wayne Besanko?
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Has no one learned anything from Wayne Besanko?
        Apparently not and they won't.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Apparently not and they won't.
        Do you have a spare gearbox?
      1. Yomama69's Avatar
        Yomama69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Do you have a spare gearbox?
        Why, are you paying a visit to AutoTalent sometime soon?
      1. CookieCrisp's Avatar
        CookieCrisp -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Do you have a spare gearbox?
        I'm down to take a trip to the junkyard...
        You thinking what I'm thinking?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by CookieCrisp Click here to enlarge
        I'm down to take a trip to the junkyard...
        You thinking what I'm thinking?
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Yomama69 Click here to enlarge
        Why, are you paying a visit to AutoTalent sometime soon?
        If the $100 challenge and invitation was genuine, I sure am.
      1. carguy411's Avatar
        carguy411 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DBFIU Click here to enlarge
        With a join date of January 2011, I am pretty sure you are not 'just lurking'. More like 'just trolling'. After all this thread is your first post and you happen to accuse Stickys parents of funding the site, someone get the spray.
        Sorry I didnt join on a date that was more appropriate for you? Dont really know what to tell ya about this one. As far as parents funding the site thats what the letter was insinuating, I restated it, and now you want to push me under the bus? Why are you making this an "us vs. them" thing? Sticky just got done telling me that he is unbiased, and he seems to run stuff around here, so I can only assume that he expects this forum to be unbiased as well. So why do you feel that my join date should dictate my status on this board? Everyone has to join sometime, I just chose to refrain from joining till now because I am obviously not up to speed with a lot of this stuff. Im more a casual viewer, and I joined because I had a couple questions. No need to get spray? (Not sure what that is exactly but doesnt sound too awesome)
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Sorry I didnt join on a date that was more appropriate for you? Dont really know what to tell ya about this one. As far as parents funding the site thats what the letter was insinuating, I restated it, and now you want to push me under the bus? Why are you making this an "us vs. them" thing? Sticky just got done telling me that he is unbiased, and he seems to run stuff around here, so I can only assume that he expects this forum to be unbiased as well. So why do you feel that my join date should dictate my status on this board? Everyone has to join sometime, I just chose to refrain from joining till now because I am obviously not up to speed with a lot of this stuff. Im more a casual viewer, and I joined because I had a couple questions. No need to get spray? (Not sure what that is exactly but doesnt sound too awesome)
        Your join date doesn't matter regarding being allowed to interact or anything like that but what he is implying is that you have more knowledge of what is on the board or the issues than you let on which means you have browsed this board a little bit as well as other BMW boards.

        Casual is a good way to put it I think.
      1. carguy411's Avatar
        carguy411 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Your join date doesn't matter regarding being allowed to interact or anything like that but what he is implying is that you have more knowledge of what is on the board or the issues than you let on which means you have browsed this board a little bit as well as other BMW boards.

        Casual is a good way to put it I think.
        Nah, I just spent a little time trying to get a handle on the back-story. Its all pretty confusing still, and honestly I appreciate the compliment that I exude more knowledge about this issue than Im actually aware of Click here to enlarge
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Nah, I just spent a little time trying to get a handle on the back-story. Its all pretty confusing still, and honestly I appreciate the compliment that I exude more knowledge about this issue than Im actually aware of Click here to enlarge
        Heh, well sometimes we get people who join just to make a post in a single thread so the troll label is accurate. The jury is still out on this one... Click here to enlarge
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        Yomama69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Heh, well sometimes we get people who join just to make a post in a single thread so the troll label is accurate. The jury is still out on this one... Click here to enlarge
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      1. Sorena's Avatar
        Sorena -
        Joseph i never saw you , i never talked to you in person but i respect you very much. As someone who respect you i should say these threads are harmful for you forum . know you will say the truth must be said but the thing is everyone knows the truth,everyone knows who is the douchebag.
        and Asbjorn can go to hell with his nasty letter.
        hope this shame (ESS vs others war) will be gone
      1. Lock n Load's Avatar
        Lock n Load -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by carguy411 Click here to enlarge
        Very true, but its also how we end up with rag like Fox news. You dont want to be known as the Fox news of BMW articles im sure.
        Hey carguy very revealing. From your comment buddy I have you pegged.

        The statements made by Asbjorn were unbelieveable. A business would go to that level hits a low. In this case if he thought he had an issue then take it up one on one.
        Sticky if you have the truth and facts then do not stand down.

        Ranger
      1. fstop7's Avatar
        fstop7 -
        I'm not sure if "retarded bull$#@!" is an accepted legal term.