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    • Underwhelming, the 2016 BMW F87 M2 is fat and slow - 3411 pound curb weight, 12.8@107.5

      Before we all grab the pitchforks and torches let's remember this is a European Spec model tested by MotorTrend. On the other hand European Spec models are lighter due to not having to meet the same crash test standards as US models which therefore are heavier. Maybe we all should grab those pitchforks and torches?


      Also, this is a 6-speed manual version. MotorTrend is not known for launching or banging through the gears well when getting acceleration figures. Their elapsed time figures are always weaker than what actual owners are able to get on the dragstrip.

      Still, 3411 pounds is only 150 pounds less than the F80 M3 with a dual clutch transmission. When the US DCT F87 M2's roll out the difference probably will be less than 100 pounds between a DCT M3/M4 and a DCT M2. Seriously BMW? Isn't this supposed to be a lightweight and sporty entry level M car?

      The acceleration does not make up for the bloated weight. It runs to 60 in 4.2 seconds and through the 1/4 mile in 12.8 seconds at 107.5 miles per hour. That isn't an improvement on the previous generation E82 1M. Actually, the M2 takes a step back.

      E82 1M:

      Curb weight: 3339 pounds
      0-60: 4.2
      1/4 mile: 12.8 @ 109.6

      Those are MotorTrend's own numbers. Why isn't the new N55B30T0 doing better than this considering the N54 in the 1M dyno's in the 330 wheel horsepower range stock with a 335 hp crank rating? The new motor with all its internals shared with the S55 engine from its big brother M3/M4 should be much stronger.

      MotorTrend gets their analysis wrong here:

      Quote Originally Posted by MotorTrend
      Rather than fitting the M3/M4ís twin-turbo S55 straight-six, BMW kept the single-turbo N55 from the M235i, but fitted it with pistons from the S55. These two BMW 3.0-liter straight-sixes share bore (84.0mm), stroke (89.6mm), and compression ratios (10.2:1) but thatís it.
      That isn't it. The motor features a closed deck block borrowed from the S55 that is sleeved. It shares the pistons, rods, crank, etc. It revs to 7000 rpm. It is closer to a single turbo S55 with different software than it is to an N55 with S55 internals. MotorTrend making mistakes is nothing new though.

      N55B30T0 Engine specs include:


      • 370hp at 6500 rpm (7000rpm redline)
      • 343 lb-ft of torque from 1,400 - 5,560 rpm
      • Overboost function allowing an additional 26 lb-ft of torque (available from 1,350 - 4,500 rpm) for a maximum of 369 lb-ft
      • Single twin scroll turbocharger
      • VANOS
      • VALVETRONIC
      • Direct Injection
      • Grey-cast iron cylinder liners
      • Forged crankshaft
      • Closed-deck block
      • Baffled oil pan with dual pickups
      • Additional radiator (racetrack proven cooling capability)
      • Optimized exhaust manifold
      • Optimized airbox with 2 inlets


      So why isn't this thing faster? Who would have expected with these specs the F87 M2 with a manual would trail the E82 1M in acceleration?

      Ok, so the engine and weight seem to be a bit disappointing at this stage. We want to see dyno numbers but it is possible BMW left plenty of room in it to be tuned despite BMW not being tuner friendly. The logic for this might be not having the M2 step on the M3/M4's toes around the track or in a straightline which would infuriate M3 owners. Speaking from experience, M3 owners are pretty touchy with such matters.

      This vehicle is about more than the motor, what about the handling? Well, it pulls over 1g on the skidpad at 1.01g and its steering is said to be a big improvement no the M235i. We will have to wait on laptimes but it looks like it should be potent on the roadcourse if it can keep the rear planted despite its 52/48 front to rear weight distribution. Yes, also worse than the E82 1M.

      With all the hype surrounding this car BimmerBoost expected more out of it. This was supposed to be a lighter and more nimble M4. The M4 GTS is lighter than this car but of course costs much more money. It is also a bigger car though.

      Is this a worthy successor to the E82 1M? Based on what we are seeing thus far, not really. Oh, and then there is this:

      Quote Originally Posted by MotorTrend
      I could swear that, after five or so laps, the M2ís midrange power started to drop off. Since the M2 has no temperature gauge, Iím left to assume that the engineís temperature had risen to the point where overboost was no longer available. You can call up a digital coolant-temperature indicator in the LCD screen below the gauges that never moves off ďOKĒ until, presumably, the engine has melted itself into a pile of molten aluminum. But the lack of an oil-temperature gauge is criminal in an M-car. As is the auto throttle blip. And the substitution of the regular BMW ďdrive modes,Ē rather than the typical M-carís ability to control throttle, steering, and chassis settings separately, is almost as upsetting. As is the lack of M memory buttons on the steering wheel, which are present in other M cars.
      This is not the car we thought it was going to be.

      2016 BMW M2 (European Spec)
      BASE PRICE $52,695
      PRICE AS TESTED N/A
      VEHICLE LAYOUT Front-engine, RWD, 4-pass, 2-door coupe
      ENGINE 3.0L/365-hp/343-lb-ft turbo DOHC 24-valve I-6
      TRANSMISSION 6-speed manual
      CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST) 3,411 lb (52/48%)
      WHEELBASE 106.0 in
      LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 176.2 x 73.0 x 55.5 in
      0-60 MPH 4.2 sec
      QUARTER MILE 12.8 sec @ 107.5 mph
      BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 107 ft
      LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.01 g (avg)
      MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.1 sec @ 0.82 g (avg)
      EPA CITY/HWY/COMB 18/27/21 mpg (est)
      ENERGY CONSUMPTION 187/125 kW-hrs/100 miles
      CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB 0.92 lb/mile

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Underwhelming, the 2016 BMW F87 M2 is fat and slow - 3411 pound curb weight, 12.8@107.5 started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 120 Comments
      1. Peter @ Pure/PTF's Avatar
        Peter @ Pure/PTF -
        Tuning will be the same as other N55's. It has the same turbo as the EWG N55's. So it needs a pure stage2 to make it exciting.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Darkiedm4 Click here to enlarge
        Tuning will be the same as other N55's. It has the same turbo as the EWG N55's. So it needs a pure stage2 to make it exciting.
        If that's the case they held it back too far.
      1. Peter @ Pure/PTF's Avatar
        Peter @ Pure/PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If that's the case they held it back too far.
        It IS the case. Click here to enlarge
        The biggest difference is the oiling system. If you go with slicks on track with the "normal" N55's you will very easily kill the engine if you pull some G's due to oil starvation. They fixed this for the M2 with the oiling system.
        Then it has a few internal parts changed but since the old N55's keep up at 550whp I don't see this as an issue yet on the normal N55's.
        They made an additional hole in the airbox. And for the turbo they added a blow off valve (from the N20).

        So to me this M2 will be great over the normal N55's if you track it on a road course often. For all other uses I don't see the added value besides visual appeal. Hence I am sticking with my ugly sleeper F20 5 door N55 Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Darkiedm4 Click here to enlarge
        It IS the case. Click here to enlarge
        The biggest difference is the oiling system. If you go with slicks on track with the "normal" N55's you will very easily kill the engine if you pull some G's due to oil starvation. They fixed this for the M2 with the oiling system.
        Then it has a few internal parts changed but since the old N55's keep up at 550whp I don't see this as an issue yet on the normal N55's.
        They made an additional hole in the airbox. And for the turbo they added a blow off valve (from the N20).

        So to me this M2 will be great over the normal N55's if you track it on a road course often. For all other uses I don't see the added value besides visual appeal. Hence I am sticking with my ugly sleeper F20 5 door N55 Click here to enlarge
        For track use, sure, I see the advantage with the oiling system. Oil starvation issues are unfortunately a common problem with BMW's on the track. BMW got cheap in this area even on M models.

        Personally, I think this car is disappointing. They went too cheap in other areas.

        For a track car it's going to be 3500 pounds with a DCT in US trim it looks like. I mean, that's heavier than an E46 M3 and 50 pounds lighter than an E92 M3.

        I agree with you, there isn't much of an advantage here even over an M235i. The DCT option being the main thing.

        But... if you're serious about tracking, shouldn't you go dry sump anyway?
      1. Nugs's Avatar
        Nugs -
        You only ever seem to care about numbers.

        This quote comparing to the M3/4 is the most telling line for me.
        the M2 is a far more entertaining car to drive.


        and

        This time, it seems, BMW knows exactly what made the 1 Series M Coupe so special. And itís done gone and made a worthy successor.



      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
        You only ever seem to care about numbers.
        No I do not. I highlighted the numbers I had issue with though.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
        This quote comparing to the M3/4 is the most telling line for me.
        How does that mean it is better than the 1M though?

        How is the M2 far more entertaining anyway? It's got a shorter wheelbase which should make it more tail happy, less of the useful M components to let you know what you're doing or tweak things how you like at the push of a button, and they stated the power went down significantly on them while lapping.

        I think MotorTrend is wrong in their conclusion of it being a worthy successor.
      1. Peter @ Pure/PTF's Avatar
        Peter @ Pure/PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I agree with you, there isn't much of an advantage here even over an M235i. The DCT option being the main thing.

        But... if you're serious about tracking, shouldn't you go dry sump anyway?
        Have you drive the M235i with ZF8? I had a E90 M3 with DCT prior. And the ZF8 in my F20 M135i is just as quick and more smooth at low speed. I really love it. Since I don't do road courses I see no reason to upgrade.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Darkiedm4 Click here to enlarge
        And the ZF8 in my F20 M135i is just as quick and more smooth at low speed.
        That's just your perception. It isn't as quick shifting. Smoother, sure.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Darkiedm4 Click here to enlarge
        Since I don't do road courses I see no reason to upgrade.
        I don't see any reason either. Your M135i may be just as fast as this thing. At least the manual. I mean without the upgrades of course.
      1. Peter @ Pure/PTF's Avatar
        Peter @ Pure/PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That's just your perception. It isn't as quick shifting. Smoother, sure.
        Well I have driven both. Ok I can not feel the difference if it shifts at 80ms or 120ms but really that ZF8 on M1/235i has very good software on it for very fast shifts Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Darkiedm4 Click here to enlarge
        Well I have driven both. Ok I can not feel the difference if it shifts at 80ms or 120ms but really that ZF8 on M1/235i has very good software on it for very fast shifts Click here to enlarge
        Yeah, it's a good box.
      1. Nugs's Avatar
        Nugs -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No I do not. I highlighted the numbers I had issue with though.



        How does that mean it is better than the 1M though?

        How is the M2 far more entertaining anyway? It's got a shorter wheelbase which should make it more tail happy, less of the useful M components to let you know what you're doing or tweak things how you like at the push of a button, and they stated the power went down significantly on them while lapping.

        I think MotorTrend is wrong in their conclusion of it being a worthy successor.
        Because it's a more cohesive package, more adjustable, able to be steered more accurately on the throttle.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Darkiedm4 Click here to enlarge
        Have you drive the M235i with ZF8? I had a E90 M3 with DCT prior. And the ZF8 in my F20 M135i is just as quick and more smooth at low speed. I really love it. Since I don't do road courses I see no reason to upgrade.
        I've driven both, I much prefer DCT.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
        Because it's a more cohesive package, more adjustable, able to be steered more accurately on the throttle.
        How can it be steered more accurately on the throttle, essentially using the throttle to position the rear end, than a manual F80 M3 or F82 M4 which has more torque?

        Because the shorter wheelbase means the tail swings out more easily?
      1. Peter @ Pure/PTF's Avatar
        Peter @ Pure/PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Nugs Click here to enlarge
        I've driven both, I much prefer DCT.
        Well I guess everybody has it's own preference. And absolutely no problem with that. The DCT is of course a great box as well.
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
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      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        For 47 grand you can have this, with dealer mark up for about 50. A good track setup for most.
      1. Faulal's Avatar
        Faulal -
        Originally Posted by MotorTrend "I could swear that, after five or so laps, the M2’s midrange power started to drop off"

        Could this be do to heat soak from the intercooler? The photos of the M2 appear to show an air to air intercooler not an air to water like the S55 or B58. So does that mean once the M2 has an aftermarket tune with higher boost, this car will have the same heat soak issues as the non M cars with N54s and N55? So to track the M2 with higher boost you will need all the aftermarket upgrades that everyone puts on the non M car N55s?
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        jeez , thats a bit of a let down
      1. sahyoun's Avatar
        sahyoun -
        A lot of people are forgetting this is a budget m car, theres not nearly the same extensive use of carbon fiber as the m4, come to think of it, I haven't heard of any carbon fiber use on this car. Regardless, I'll wait till I actually see this thing on a scale before I judge it's weight.
      1. lamboworld's Avatar
        lamboworld -
        Or you can get yourself one of these and laugh as you drive by this M2.Attachment 47871
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Did anyone see the M2 review on $#@!post? Dumbest review ever. Nothing but a marketing ploy by a fanboy who uses big words to mask his lack of driving ability.