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      This M3 of mine continues to impress me. The S65 engine and DCT are just amazing! I think the DCT impresses me the most since it's been able to handle every bit of power that I throw at it without slipping.

      The cold weather in the Southeast has enabled me to achieve some great 60-130 mph times this week. I'll start with the results of the ESS VT2-600 supercharger only run (no nitrous). 27F / full weight / 93 octane.

      6.87 secs in 1011 ft




      After that run I just had to try it with nitrous. So... I went back to the shop, warmed the nitrous bottle to 900psi, and installed the 100 shot nitrous/fuel jets. I was unable to engage the nitrous in 2nd gear because it would just blow the tires, so I waited until I shifted into 3rd gear (you can actually hear the switch in the below video). 33F / full weight / 93 octane.

      6.23 secs in 904 ft



      This article was originally published in forum thread: New 60-130 mph record breaking runs!!! started by Mikewads View original post
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      1. ZR1638's Avatar
        ZR1638 -
        After lots of usless back and forth lets do a quick recap.ESS now holds the DCT and manual 60-130 record on the E92 M3.ESS kits make a lot of power on 7 psi and pump gas.Sticky and Jon Martins months of claiming ESS kits do not perform well has been proven to be BS.Ok feel free to carry on..
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
        After lots of usless back and forth lets do a quick recap.ESS now holds the DCT and manual 60-130 record on the E92 M3.ESS kits make a lot of power on 7 psi and pump gas.Sticky and Jon Martins months of claiming ESS kits do not perform well has been proven to be BS.Ok feel free to carry on..
        You forgot going from a VT2-575 - VT2-600 will make you 1.5 seconds faster 60-130 with only 25hp more...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PencilGeek Click here to enlarge
        HAHAHA. That's pretty funny since I saw Larry corrected you on that a few times as well. Strange that you want to say you remember everything I've said from 1.5 years ago, but can't remember what Larry told you only one or two weeks ago on your own forum.
        Example please since you demand quotes? He said he ran a different pulley, switched, and now wants to switch back and possibly has? Seems I'm right on.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky and Jon Martins months of claiming ESS kits do not perform well has been proven to be BS.
        Who said they do not perform well? The Gintani Stage 2+ simply is stronger than anything ESS offers and ESS kits do not hit the dyno numbers that were advertised. That is what was said, nothing about them not performing well. Actually, I think many times it was stated that they do perform well and are a great option.
      1. MHP LLC's Avatar
        MHP LLC -
        MikeWads,

        Congrats on the great numbers!

        Be careful spraying in those temps especially with that blower. With that kind of DA the N/A guys typically fly, and the nitrous guys typically blow their motors Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BASELINE Click here to enlarge
        I hear what you're saying with the gears. Common knowledge would say the shorter rear end would equate to higher torque multiplication and faster acceleration.
        Not with the DCT. Gearing is already short and going shorter helps the 1/8 but hurts the 1/4. I ran both stock and shorter gears at the same track with the same mods, shorter gears cost me MPH.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BASELINE Click here to enlarge
        I'm not on either camp's side...just think its great to see the progress of the platform.
        I wish I could say the same but I am placed in a certain camp by default which makes me sick. I want the best products for the platform, I do not give a crap who makes them. I want power, and will pay to get it. Whoever can deliver what I want is who gets my business. I was quite critical of Gintani in the beginning.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MHP LLC Click here to enlarge
        MikeWads,

        Congrats on the great numbers!

        Be careful spraying in those temps especially with that blower. With that kind of DA the N/A guys typically fly, and the nitrous guys typically blow their motors Click here to enlarge
        Yes, let's get back to congratulating him and leaving all the other BS in the past or moving it somewhere else.

        Why does the negative DA make the nitrous more dangerous?
      1. KiokenM3's Avatar
        KiokenM3 -
        congrats mike your car is SCARY FAST!!!
      1. BASELINE's Avatar
        BASELINE -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not with the DCT. Gearing is already short and going shorter helps the 1/8 but hurts the 1/4. I ran both stock and shorter gears at the same track with the same mods, shorter gears cost me MPH.
        I hear ya on the camps dilemma. As for the gearing topic; did you read the rest of my post? I plead my case as to why the shorter gears would hurt these cars, like you said. Lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BASELINE Click here to enlarge
        I hear ya on the camps dilemma. As for the gearing topic; did you read the rest of my post? I plead my case as to why the shorter gears would hurt these cars, like you said. Lol
        I did, I was just providing my example Click here to enlarge

        You are correct.

        I have my own theories on what gearing what be the best for a supercharged DCT... I'll put it into practice soon.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ZR1638 Click here to enlarge
        After lots of usless back and forth lets do a quick recap.ESS now holds the DCT and manual 60-130 record on the E92 M3
        I think we can all agree with that part
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Moved posts that were just arguing about PG's car and other past issues here: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...aneous-arguing

        Trying to keep this on the topic of Mikewads and his achievements with his ESS kit which he deserves.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        the topic of Mikewads and his achievements with his ESS kit which he deserves.
        Excellent and fantastic results he has had
      1. img's Avatar
        img -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Who said they do not perform well? The Gintani Stage 2+ simply is stronger than anything ESS offers and ESS kits do not hit the dyno numbers that were advertised. That is what was said, nothing about them not performing well. Actually, I think many times it was stated that they do perform well and are a great option.
        Sticky

        You claim the Gintani stage 2+ kit makes more power than anything ESS makes but it runs a slower 60-130 than Mikes VT2-600. According to dyno's drew's car makes 600 whp and runs the 60-130 in 7.1 sec. Because drew is the only Gintani customer to run a 60-130 with his stage 2+ we will have to assume that all customer kits will achieve his numbers if setup and run in the conditions Drew ran in. The ESS VT2-600 is rated at 510 whp and runs 60-130 in 6.8 sec. Like Drew, Mike is the only DCT VT2-600 customer to get a verified 60-130 so we will also assume his numbers can be repeated if another ESS car was to copy his conditions. Now based on these real world results we will have to say the ESS kit is making more than rated power or the Gintani stage 2 + kit is not performing the way it has been advertised based on the information we have been given in this thread. I would agree with your assessment based on Gintani dyno numbers but remember all of the Gintani dyno’s posted have been from Gintani’s own dyno or a local shop to them that they use to dyno all of their customers cars including yours and Drews. Because of the results below I would really like to see a real independent dyno done by a customer on a Gintani Stage 2+ somewhere other than the SoCal shop across town from Gintani. To date there is not one dyno done to verify the numbers that Gintani has produced on Drew and other local cars. I have heard of Gintani kits in other states but have yet to see an out of state dyno posted by anyone. Mike has been able to produce his numbers back to back to back so the numbers he is making seem to be an average and not a fluke.

        Gintani Stage 2+ 9.5 psi Water / Meth 600 whp 7.1 sec
        ESS VT2-600 7 psi, pump 93 fuel 510 whp 6.8 sec

        Now let’s look at this ESS does not make rated power stuff you keep talking about. You have said this over and over along with Jon Martin so let’s take a scientific look at it. Let’s use real world performance first to try and prove ESS kits do not make advertised power then we can look at dyno’s. When Mike ran his mile times he said he was running the VT2-575 setup and knowing Mike I think we can all agree he’s a straight shooter and is telling the truth. Now let’s take that 575 hp M3 and see how his 1/4 mile times stack up to some other well known high performance cars.

        Ferrari 599 GTB 620 HP 11.2 sec @129 mph
        Corvette ZR1 638 HP 11.3sec @ 128 mph
        Mikewads E92 M3 575 HP 11.5 sec @ 127 mph
        Lamborghini LP640 630 HP 11.7 sec @ 126 mph
        Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren 617 HP 11.5 sec @ 126 mph

        So that we don’t use just one car let’s also include my manual cars 60-130 performance for comparison with Mikes DCT M3.

        Mikewads E92 M3 600 HP 6.8 sec
        Ferrari Enzo 650 HP 7.0 sec
        Porsche Carrera GT 605 HP 7.3 sec
        Ferrari 458 562 HP 7.7 sec
        IMG E92 M3 600 HP 7.8 sec
        Lamborghini LP640 630 HP 7.8 sec
        Mercedes SLR 617HP 8.9 sec

        Based on these real world performance numbers I would have to say the ESS kits seem to be performing quite well. Sticky maybe you can point out something I am missing, something that would lead me to believe the ESS superchargers based on mile and 60-130 times are not making rated / advertised power.

        Now let’s look at dyno info to try and validate your claims sticky that ESS kits do not make rated power. Let start with the dyno database every dyno I found on ESS kits easily made rated power and most made more than rated when you really do your homework. I can copy and post 30+ ESS dyno’s from customers but I will leave it up to you to prove your point by doing so if you feel there is enough info in this database to prove your point. To say ESS kits do not make rated power you would have to take a large sample of dyno’s and prove with data that a majority number of them are below what ESS rates the kits to be on their website. Can you do this Sticky? Or are you simply saying this based on one dyno you might have seen somewhere and you are trying to create a false perception to the public? For the final comparison lets see how the ESS VT2-600 does not make advertised power when IND just posted an independent dyno from a customer in Florida "on this site" who made 30+ more whp than rated on a dynojet, the same type of dyno ESS uses http://bimmerboost.com/content.php?669-IND’s-most-recent-“sleeper”-M

        Are we to assume IND, Mikewads and all of the ESS customers in the dyno database “myself included” are liars and cheats or is it possible that you have been giving false information to the community for so long you are starting to believe it? Maybe it is that you are ok giving credit to ESS as long as it does not make the guys building your car look bad? Considering that Gintani has your car in pieces right now I can truly understand why you would be going out of your way to try and make ESS look bad but I would really prefer if you or anyone else like Jon Martin would post up some substantial evidence to show without a doubt that the majority of ESS superchargers are not making rated power before you continue to repeat this claim over and over on your website and on various youtube videos..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        You claim the Gintani stage 2+ kit makes more power than anything ESS makes but it runs a slower 60-130 than Mikes VT2-600. According to dyno's drew's car makes 600 whp and runs the 60-130 in 7.1 sec
        You are comparing runs in different places in different conditions now without any way to balance them? Yet you are ignoring the 1/4 mile which has a standard for correction? Facepalm.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Like Drew, Mike is the only DCT VT2-600 customer to get a verified 60-130 so we will also assume his numbers can be repeated if another ESS car was to copy his conditions.
        Pretty big assumption especially considering the other results for cars. A lot of stock people are putting into 1 time in negative density altitude conditions, I'm amazed at the conclusions being drawn. I thought the community was smarter than this.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Now let’s look at this ESS does not make rated power stuff you keep talking about. You have said this over and over along with Jon Martin so let’s take a scientific look at it. Let’s use real world performance first to try and prove ESS kits do not make advertised power then we can look at dyno’s. When Mike ran his mile times he said he was running the VT2-575 setup and knowing Mike I think we can all agree he’s a straight shooter and is telling the truth. Now let’s take that 575 hp M3 and see how his 1/4 mile times stack up to some other well known high performance cars.
        ESS claimed they hit 600 whp through the stock exhaust on pump gas at 7 psi. That is not possible, sorry. That is in dispute, not this time.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Sticky maybe you can point out something I am missing, something that would lead me to believe the ESS superchargers based on mile and 60-130 times are not making rated / advertised power.
        Yes, they advertised higher dyno results than customers are achieving. Old news, but this has nothing to do with this 60-130.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Let start with the dyno database every dyno I found on ESS kits easily made rated power and most made more than rated when you really do your homework
        You didn't do your homework: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...-Come-up-Short

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...laimed-Numbers

        Does not look like more power than advertised to me? You see a 600 whp car on pump gas through the stock exhaust at 7 psi from someone? I haven't. It doesn't even matter.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Are we to assume IND, Mikewads and all of the ESS customers in the dyno database “myself included” are liars and cheats or is it possible that you have been giving false information to the community for so long you are starting to believe it?
        Of course not. We are to assume since all those numbers are far less than what was advertised that the marketing was misleading.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Considering that Gintani has your car in pieces right now I can truly understand why you would be going out of your way to try and make ESS look bad but I would really prefer if you or anyone else like Jon Martin would post up some substantial evidence to show without a doubt that the majority of ESS superchargers are not making rated power before you continue to repeat this claim over and over on your website and on various youtube videos..
        Go ahead and read through my old articles and you will see it for yourself. This has nothing to do with the 60-130 though or the product being bad just the way it was marketed to us being misleading, that is all. Not sure why you aren't making the correlation and what does my car have to do with any of it? Do not follow your logic.
      1. img's Avatar
        img -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        A good point no one can explain.
        I personally think thats the gearing in Biglares car affected his performance since its a 3.62,most cars when they go FI they install shorter gearing so they can benefit of the power.I think thats the first disadvantage for Biglare since he couldn't put the power down,second........Id love to see Drews car running the same Z06 that Biglare ran that day cause i heard that Drew never showed up.to me it sounds like a set up.(Im not trying to start no drama,im just looking for some answers)
        Also im not doubting the Z06 cause its a hell of a beast and with just headers and CAI it gains about 40HP,also the gearing in the Z06 r long,specially 3rd.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        I personally think thats the gearing in Biglares car affected his performance since its a 3.62,most cars when they go FI they install shorter gearing so they can benefit of the power.I think thats the first disadvantage for Biglare since he couldn't put the power down
        That is shorter gearing. I think you mean longer gearing. And yes, I agree, the 3.62's hurt him.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Id love to see Drews car running the same Z06 that Biglare ran that day cause i heard that Drew never showed up
        Uh.... Drew ran that Z06.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        img did you really just spend all that time to create that long post?

        Both sides are really getting into this argument.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Guys, do you actually think these numbers are going to hold up?

        Someone is going to beat them.

        RELAX!
      1. img's Avatar
        img -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That is shorter gearing. I think you mean longer gearing. And yes, I agree, the 3.62's hurt him.

        Yes Sticky,mistyped...............Thanks !!

        Uh.... Drew ran that Z06.
        Well,i must been misinformed cause i heard that he didnt ran that day!