• New overall 60-130 record achieved by Mikewads for the E92/E9X M3 - 6.23

      This M3 of mine continues to impress me. The S65 engine and DCT are just amazing! I think the DCT impresses me the most since it's been able to handle every bit of power that I throw at it without slipping.

      The cold weather in the Southeast has enabled me to achieve some great 60-130 mph times this week. I'll start with the results of the ESS VT2-600 supercharger only run (no nitrous). 27F / full weight / 93 octane.

      6.87 secs in 1011 ft




      After that run I just had to try it with nitrous. So... I went back to the shop, warmed the nitrous bottle to 900psi, and installed the 100 shot nitrous/fuel jets. I was unable to engage the nitrous in 2nd gear because it would just blow the tires, so I waited until I shifted into 3rd gear (you can actually hear the switch in the below video). 33F / full weight / 93 octane.

      6.23 secs in 904 ft



      This article was originally published in forum thread: New 60-130 mph record breaking runs!!! started by Mikewads View original post
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      1. img's Avatar
        img -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        img did you really just spend all that time to create that long post?

        Both sides are really getting into this argument.
        You are correct Sir,but by all means im not trying to start no drama,im just trying to figure which is right and which is wrong cause i read on BB something and a contradiction on M3P.
      1. M33's Avatar
        M33 -
        Wow ........... IMG how many red bulls did you consume before doing your home work lol ?
        i would say IMG ( sam ) put the nail in the coffin with his last comment...

        Sticky sticky sticky ........ you my friend are a tool of all tools

        You sit their and down talk a product you wish you had and know nothing about , $#@! what makes matters even worse you sent your car to a company that doesn't know jack $#@! about these cars and at the same time you made yourself look dumber than dumber by doing so , am i losing you ? let me clarify ..... you paid money to get nothing in return
        ( example on down talking : calling my 8.3 with 2shifts on a 6mt poor & at the same time your dumb ass thought i had a DCT , how stupid can you be ???? and this is your forum , you comment with out knowing facts and you sit their and openly talk upon your clan ( bobble head dolls with steering wheels in their hands ) like your some sort of genius when you just a.........
        Click here to enlarge pay attention to the hard on Click here to enlarge

        let the red cards begin Click here to enlarge

        oh yeah and stop talking $#@! about ESS cars not showing up to run , Biglare came out and drew's car all of a sudden was in the shop at the last minute ,sniff sniff i smell setup....

        FYI I'm not steering away from the topic it's just i can't take the BS you bring , ignoring Biglare's gear ratio , questioning Mikes pulley size when his time beats Gintani's time with 2lbs less and without the need of Meth nor race fuel regardless of the pulley(boost) size , we all know that the highest boost level pulley ESS has is 7.5 wheres as Gintani has a 9lbs or 10lbs not sure but 9lbs for sure ....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Guys, do you actually think these numbers are going to hold up?

        Someone is going to beat them.

        RELAX!
        Exactly and true.

        It has now become a game of getting the best conditions to run the best times and one upping one another because we can't just run the cars in the same place at the same time.

        Man, enough of this.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Well,i must been misinformed cause i heard that he didnt ran that day!
        Drew had videos running multiple Z06's...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
        Sticky sticky sticky ........ you my friend are a tool of all tools
        Why is it you always degenerate into insults? Just debate like a human being, I have nothing against you but come on, you take this stuff too far.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
        You sit their and down talk a product you wish you had and know nothing about , $#@! what makes matters even worse you sent your car to a company that doesn't know jack $#@! about these cars and at the same time you made yourself look dumber than dumber by doing so , am i losing you ? let me clarify ..... you paid money to get nothing in return
        ( example on down talking : calling my 8.3 with 2shifts on a 6mt poor & at the same time your dumb ass thought i had a DCT , how stupid can you be ???? and this is your forum , you comment with out knowing facts and you sit their and openly talk upon your clan ( bobble head dolls with steering wheels in their hands ) like your some sort of genius when you just a.........
        A very well worded and eloquent post.

        M33, my car is not the subject here nor is Gintani or anything else. If you want to put it down and put Gintani down just create another thread for it (oh wait, you can't at the moment.. wonder why). We don't need this, we simply do not need it here. Debate the topic at hand or congratulate Mikewads but please take your Gintani hate elsewhere or at least show respect to your fellow ESS owner and do not piss on his thread. Can you do that? Let's see.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
        dude i think your the one who should step up to the plate and play nice and be more respectable instead of giving me negative points for pointing out Facts , $#@! isn't that what forums are for ......
        Man, you take it a little far sometimes. img gets his points across just fine without leading to an insult ridden post. And no I didn't, nor will I negative rep you.

        I am sure you are not a jerk in person, why act like one on the internet. Yes you disagree with sticky, but there is no reason you can't respond like img, in a calm fashion.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        I am sure you are not a jerk in person, why act like one on the internet. Yes you disagree with sticky, but there is no reason you can't respond like img, in a calm fashion.
        It's late, he was probably drinking and that would explain it.

        It would be great if he could respond like all the other ESS owners but hey, he is what he is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M33 Click here to enlarge
        FYI I'm not steering away from the topic it's just i can't take the BS you bring , ignoring Biglare's gear ratio
        His gear ratio being a hindrance was mentioned in the very first post that showed his runs vs. the Z06. Maybe you should try... uh.... reading?
      1. img's Avatar
        img -
        WOW.......this is really going against the wind !
        All what i was looking for was some answers.
        Sticky,thank you for ur help, as always !!!
      1. DLSJ5's Avatar
        DLSJ5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        I personally think thats the gearing in Biglares car affected his performance since its a 3.62,most cars when they go FI they install shorter gearing so they can benefit of the power.I think thats the first disadvantage for Biglare since he couldn't put the power down
        Robert is the only one that I know of that has gone with longer gearing with the E92, they usually keep it stock, which is completely fine. If you can't put the power down that is one thing, but with good tires it does not matter, if you can't put it down change your tires / suspension, and conventional wisdom tells us that shorter gears means your car will accelerate faster up to a certain point, on these cars I would say well beyond what one would do on public highways. I've seen no hard evidence that with traction gears will make your car a lot slower on the E92.

        When I had my SC'd E46 M3 with shorter gears it was as fast or faster than other SC'd E46 M3's with stock gears, in fact it still holds the boost only on a stock block record of 8.6s for E46's, the gears helped me, even with 1 extra shift in Vbox runs over other SC'd M3's with stock gearing, which on the SMG did take some time to shift. You are right in most of the runs Larry was spinning, as was the Z06 at times, I think they only had one clean run with both getting decent traction, either way one can tell from the vids which car was faster on that day.

        Here's a writeup explaining why the E46 accelerates faster with 4.10 gears over stock 3.62's.

        http://m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=95653

        As I said, Biglare's VT575 was faster than Roman's VT575 in head to head runs and 60-130 runs 8.3 vs. 8.8, probably because of the exhaust, either way, his gears did not cause him to loose against the C6 Z06. Many of you are making excuses, I would assume because of Mike's awesome time and your own times, and I can't blame you, but all it does is solidify how much cold air, as well as an enthusiast who knows cars, can do. You ran in 40 degree weather, Biglare did not, he also ran on an incline. FYI, Larry made zero excuses after his runs with the Z06, except the traction part which is 100% true.

        Some people here $#@! at Sticky and others for trying to educate people on how cold weather can make a car go much faster, even Mike will tell you this is one reason he was able to hit such good times, along with AJ's help tuning the car etc. which is a testament to ESS trying to help an enthusiast go faster, I love that, it appears he had no problem with Sticky's thoughts on the weather as a factor, why should he, it is a fact that -2000' DA will make you go faster, even Mike states such in his thread. What is wrong with objective analysis?

        FYI Mike also just posted on the other forum that when he ran VP100 Race Fuel it DID NOT improve his performance, just as I've said many times, so let's stop using that as benefit for my car's performance, I do understand why one would because normally it does help, but on the S65 it appears it does not. That's why we go out and test it rather than rely on dyno results only.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        ...Id love to see Drews car running the same Z06 that Biglare ran-
        Here you go-





        I ran that same Black Z06 more than once, not all on vid. The owner of the Black Z06 is a very good friend of mine, when I was at 7.5 - 8psi, with the old intake (515whp) we did some pulls, and I slightly pulled on him up top. I ran him again at 9psi (579whp), as you see in the vid, even with traction issues I was able to catch up, in other runs that were not on film I cleary pulled up top, even if he jumped ahead a car or more, the guy can drive, either way so much for dyno's!

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        ...i heard that Drew never showed up.
        I did show up I'm the one in Biglare's car filming, secondly Larry knew beforehand that I was not going to have my car there. Larry wasn't even sure if he could go, but he was able to make it. Which was awesome, we all hung out afterward at cars and coffee, a lot of fun. Larry and I had been talking a long time about him joining us in some Mexico runs and C&C, a GTR and 996tt that were supposed to run him did not show. You better believe I would have loved to have ran him.

        The fact is Larry showed up willing to run, great attitude before and after, and that is how his car performed on that day, no excuses, we've all had bad days, what you do is go back out and try again, you and M33 need to rerun that GTR that beat M33's car, I know Jamie was having issues, so go out and rerun. Click here to enlarge It's one thing to do a ton of runs on the Vbox, wait for super conditions, find that good spot with a flat road or decline and keep going until you get a awesome time, it is a lot of fun, I know all too well, but it's another to go out and run cars, same place, conditions and see how you stack up, it is much more fun then Vbox runs, you guys need to run that GTR. It will tell us a lot about how your cars perform.

        Not sure if you've seen this, here is how I did against a 600whp GTR, 550WHP on a Mustang dyno. Full bolt ons HKS600, (NOT570 as stated in the vid), race gas, etc. He trapped 130MPH at the track, and hit 7.1 60-130. I would love to see how you guys compare, I believe the Stage 1 GTR you are going to run is around 500whp on a Mustang, with a 7.8 60-130 it should be an interesting run.



        Here is a run against another GTR and HPF Stage 3 on pump, I was at 8psi on this run.



        Here's an E46 HPF Stage 2.5' -, with this setup and 91+meth, they run in the 6's 60-130. This time on 91+Meth.




        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        ... it sounds like a set up.(Im not trying to start no drama,im just looking for some answers)
        What do you and Jamie mean by speculating that there was a setup? There's so much of this speculation going around, it is loonyville, lol. How in the hell did I influence the outcome of Larry's car against the C6 Z06?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        Also im not doubting the Z06 cause its a hell of a beast and with just headers and CAI it gains about 40HP,also the gearing in the Z06 r long,specially 3rd.
        Agreed well said, they are flat out monsters, even more so with a proper driver. Your 7.8 run is right there with the best Z06 time of 7.8.Click here to enlarge

        In your other recent thread, you can add my data as well if you'd like, FWIW I ran 11.4 @ 131, with the 8psi, pulley in 80 degree weather.
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        What was the DA during these last runs? I think someone posted -2500ft somewhere is that correct?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
        on these cars I would say well beyond what one would do on public highways. I've seen no hard evidence that with traction gears will make your car a lot slower on the E92.
        I believe my results would be hard evidence though.

        Drew, with the DCT it is different vs. the E46 M3. Shorter gears will make you faster on the E46 M3 up to a certain point. On the E92 M3, the reduction by going to 3.62 is so large that you hurt yourself past the 1/8. The reason for this is that you have to shift into 5th to cross the 1/4. Past 100, it kills top end.

        Even at equal speeds, the torque multiplication in 5th is less than in 4th. So even if you look at it mathematically you can no accelerate as fast in 5th as you can in 4th due to the gear ratio. I hope that makes sense.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
        What was the DA during these last runs? I think someone posted -2500ft somewhere is that correct?
        It was cold out, don't know what the DA was, but it isn't a big deal.

        So it was cold out and we got some record runs, my hat is off to Mikewads and ESS and the bar is now raised. All good stuff for everyone.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by img Click here to enlarge
        WOW.......this is really going against the wind !
        All what i was looking for was some answers.
        Sticky,thank you for ur help, as always !!!
        No worries man, we can be civilized and respect one another.
      1. DLSJ5's Avatar
        DLSJ5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I believe my results would be hard evidence though.

        Drew, with the DCT it is different vs. the E46 M3. Shorter gears will make you faster on the E46 M3 up to a certain point. On the E92 M3, the reduction by going to 3.62 is so large that you hurt yourself past the 1/8. The reason for this is that you have to shift into 5th to cross the 1/4. Past 100, it kills top end.

        Even at equal speeds, the torque multiplication in 5th is less than in 4th. So even if you look at it mathematically you can no accelerate as fast in 5th as you can in 4th due to the gear ratio. I hope that makes sense.
        It doesn't make sense, no offense J, it's just my opinion, and I know you disagree, no worries. I think Biglare's runs with Roman and the .5, 60-130 difference is solid evidence it does not hurt him.

        Your 1/4 mile runs were done on different days, conditions, I remember the posts, and you ran in solid conditions on the stock gears at Famoso, I think that is worth mentioning, and the times were not all that different were they, 115 MPH at Famoso in good condtions, then 114MPH in the summer with the gears? I think 1mph might be a wash and not significant. Let's just say they may not have helped him, but I doubt they hurt him a lot.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
        It doesn't make sense, no offense J, it's just my opinion, and I know you disagree, no worries. The same kind of back and forth went on with the E46 whether they helped, some guys swore they were a waste, others swore by them. I think Biglare's runs with Roman and the .5, 60-130 difference is solid evidence it does not hurt him.
        No worries of course, but I might be able to expound on it a bit better. I can explain it to you mathematically as well. Look at it this way:

        Examples, Stock M3:

        E92 M3 DCT 4th 1.678 x final drive 3.15 = 5.2857

        5.2857 is the absolute gear ratio, multiply x torque 295 pound-feet = 1559.2 torque at the axle.

        3.62 M3:

        5th gear ratio 1.390 x 3.62 final drive = 5.0318

        5.0318 absolute gear ratio, multiply x torque 295 pound-feet = 1484.31 torque at the axle.

        So the 3.62 car has to be in 5th when the 3.15 car is in 4th. It can not accelerate in 5th as fast as the 3.15 car can accelerate in 4th through the traps. The 3.15 will catch and pass a 3.62 car on the top end. Hope this makes sense.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
        Your 1/4 mile runs were done on different days, conditions, I remember the posts, and you ran in solid conditions on the stock gears at Famoso, I think that is worth mentioning, and the times were not all that different were they, 115 MPH at Famoso in good condtions, then 114MPH in the summer with the gears?
        Actually, both were in the winter. My average times not just peak times were down with the gears. The shift into 5th hurt me on the top end. My 60 foot was way better with the gears (also had a properly working line lock) but I just could not catch the longer gears past the 1/8 mile. So I ran on average 2 mph slower with the gears even with a much better launch.

        The question becomes where the gears hurt you. Under 100, advantage, top end and from a roll, they hurt. It really depends on the type of race. 1/8 mile I would love to have them...
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        LOL I got negged for asking what the DA was. Must be an M3post member.
      1. SunocoCAM2's Avatar
        SunocoCAM2 -
        Some solid number's their Bud !!!!
        How's that kit working out for you ? Obviously good considering the times ...
        How many miles have you put on before and after the blower ?

        I have a 2011 e92 that I purchased 3 monthes ago and after seeing what your car does ... Well I'm starting to itch ...Click here to enlarge
      1. gixxer_kidd's Avatar
        gixxer_kidd -
        Can't believe I actually sat here and read the last 7 pages. Slow day at work, lol. I don't understand the constant bickering that goes back and fourth. It's actually pretty sad. I've been part of the m3 community since the e46 days and recognize a few of you guys from other forums. Most of us call ourselves enthusiast so let's act like one and just be happy for other member's accomplishments.

        Great job Mike! It's nice to see people pushing boundries with the S65. Nice to know these motors can handle all this power. I can't wait to join the SC club soon.
      1. SunocoCAM2's Avatar
        SunocoCAM2 -
        Me too , gixxer what supercharger kit are you getting ?