• New overall 60-130 record achieved by Mikewads for the E92/E9X M3 - 6.23

      This M3 of mine continues to impress me. The S65 engine and DCT are just amazing! I think the DCT impresses me the most since it's been able to handle every bit of power that I throw at it without slipping.

      The cold weather in the Southeast has enabled me to achieve some great 60-130 mph times this week. I'll start with the results of the ESS VT2-600 supercharger only run (no nitrous). 27F / full weight / 93 octane.

      6.87 secs in 1011 ft




      After that run I just had to try it with nitrous. So... I went back to the shop, warmed the nitrous bottle to 900psi, and installed the 100 shot nitrous/fuel jets. I was unable to engage the nitrous in 2nd gear because it would just blow the tires, so I waited until I shifted into 3rd gear (you can actually hear the switch in the below video). 33F / full weight / 93 octane.

      6.23 secs in 904 ft



      This article was originally published in forum thread: New 60-130 mph record breaking runs!!! started by Mikewads View original post
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
        Remember your in the S65 engine forum not the N54/55. You make more TQ and do so at a very low RPM. I also doubt you can fit 285, 295, 305 series tire on a normal 3 series without modifying the fenders.
        i was tired, i meant to clarify in the upper 8's is probably around that benchmark, "I Think"
        with either n54 or s65, definatly and FI s65 too.. just saying, your right about the tires, mine are currenty 275, and its tight


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
        gratz on the vbox, i should pick one of those up these days, seems like a good benchmark that you can use anywhere instead of having to go to a track. i would be hard pressed to believe you have no traction at 40. do you have an lsd? i can feel the car torque steer slightly, left and right, if i just punch it in 2nd at 40 with my quaife but in 3rd it has traction fine. then again, with an open diff, even a car with stock turbos loses it in 2nd.
        I have the wavetrac LSD, with the old boost logic i used to have Click here to enlarge, it wasnt much of a problem, just a little slippage. with this nice new stuff, its a lot of power to handle.. ill see if i can find some of the road logs i have and post them up in a different thread though
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        Amazing congrats.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BASELINE Click here to enlarge
        but these runs kind of throw the "ESS is the weaker kit argument" into the wind.
        They both put up respectable power but it does not throw that argument into the wind at all. It just shows that 60-130 numbers are affected tremendously by traction and weather just like the drag strip. 60-130 is so new in comparison we do not have rules of thumb or density altitude calculators to use.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        this sure as hell throws the notion that ESS is slower out the window....
        ...and Im amazed bc this is without meth or race gas...WOW
        Some of you guys are really thinking that? Use your heads, without meth on pump gas you can't equal the boost that can be run on meth + pump. The drag strip numbers tell the story, this isn't your regular ESS setup.

        Mikewads, what was your boost set at for these runs?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        it does seem like a wash to me as well
        At similar boost it always will be.
      1. Mikewads's Avatar
        Mikewads -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Mikewads, what was your boost set at for these runs?
        The boost gauge can be seen clear as day in the video. No change in boost between the nitrous run and supercharger only.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikewads Click here to enlarge
        The boost gauge can be seen clear as day in the video. No change in boost between the nitrous run and supercharger only.
        It can, I was just wondering if your pulley setup changed at all from previous runs.
      1. DD GT3 RD's Avatar
        DD GT3 RD -
        Drew, time to go get some Drags tires and run! come on baby!!!
      1. M33's Avatar
        M33 -
        6.8 is an amazing time for 93 pump without Meth or NOS ..
        I personally am not surprised at the times either considering I have the same set up and know what it's capability's are ..
        I'm ordering drag radials this coming week to see what numbers me and IMG can pull...

        Sick pulls Mike !!!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
        Drew, time to go get some Drags tires and run! come on baby!!!
        I'm sure he was already thinking it. Mike earned this, let's let him enjoy it.
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Some of you guys are really thinking that? Use your heads, without meth on pump gas you can't equal the boost that can be run on meth + pump. The drag strip numbers tell the story, this isn't your regular ESS setup.

        Mikewads, what was your boost set at for these runs?
        What are you even talking about:
        1. He has a 600 set-up.
        2. Also, that's the exact reason why I am shocked, I AM using my head and finding it funny how a no meth/ pump gas is producing faster times than a meth/higher boost setup.
      1. img's Avatar
        img -
        Nice work Mike, Congrats!!!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        2. Also, that's the exact reason why I am shocked, I AM using my head and finding it funny how a no meth/ pump gas is producing faster times than a meth/higher boost setup.
        It isn't, why are you dismissing the 1/4 mile times with nitrous vs. the times on boost shown and the real world results? I don't want to make this one vs. the other and to rain on this parade but your conclusion is premature.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        1. He has a 600 set-up.
        He has run different pulleys with his setup with nitrous on top of it. As I said, not your standard kit but one being used to push the boundaries, at least from the ESS perspective. He has also done very well but you need to understand the context before declaring something like a pump gas setup is faster than a meth setup, it isn't, hence the trap speeds.

        It is not like 60-130's are written in stone, they change based on conditions, traction, weight, etc. What we see here is a great example of someone utilizing their setup to its potential.
      1. DD GT3 RD's Avatar
        DD GT3 RD -
        I am, Its more than well deserved. His times are insane. He is smashing on others times
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It isn't, why are you dismissing the 1/4 mile times with nitrous vs. the times on boost shown and the real world results? I don't want to make this one vs. the other and to rain on this parade but your conclusion is premature.



        He has run different pulleys with his setup with nitrous on top of it. As I said, not your standard kit but one being used to push the boundaries, at least from the ESS perspective. He has also done very well but you need to understand the context before declaring something like a pump gas setup is faster than a meth setup, it isn't, hence the trap speeds.

        It is not like 60-130's are written in stone, they change based on conditions, traction, weight, etc. What we see here is a great example of someone utilizing their setup to its potential.
        Ya I don't think he's running a standard VT2-600 I mean cmon didn't the last car with that setup run mid 7's and some have run 8's with slightly less power? I don't buy that this is a standard off the shelf VT2-600 that you can bolt on in your garage. If it was then we would've seen similar numbers a while ago. Regardless its a great time and I'm glad to see these numbers on a car other then the G-power kit running 10-13psi
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They both put up respectable power but it does not throw that argument into the wind at all. It just shows that 60-130 numbers are affected tremendously by traction and weather just like the drag strip. 60-130 is so new in comparison we do not have rules of thumb or density altitude calculators to use.
        would you say that if it was a gintani car that posted this record??? Any performance measure can be broken down and down and down till you find more reasons why the tests were not equal, there are gintani cars all over the place now and they have the same opportunity to run in cool temps and run with DR and im sure they have tried. I dont have a m3 at all so i could care less about either of these kits but it def seems that ess gets no love around here. If this was gintani post would be reading"see its confirmed gintani is........." and not that we need new calculators!! How about we keep it simple, What Did the Car ACTUALLY Do? Has a Gintani car ever attempted 60-130 under 40deg?
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        would you say that if it was a gintani car that posted this record??? Any performance measure can be broken down and down and down till you find more reasons why the tests were not equal, there are gintani cars all over the place now and they have the same opportunity to run in cool temps and run with DR and im sure they have tried. I dont have a m3 at all so i could care less about either of these kits but it def seems that ess gets no love around here. If this was gintani post would be reading"see its confirmed gintani is........." and not that we need new calculators!! How about we keep it simple, What Did the Car ACTUALLY Do? Has a Gintani car ever attempted 60-130 under 40deg?
        Did anyone else see a hatefull message about these resuts in this thread? Click here to enlarge
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonMartin Click here to enlarge
        Did anyone else see a hatefull message about these resuts in this thread? Click here to enlarge
        I could be wrong but i sense a hatefull tone in my above quote from Sticky especially when its interpreted with previous quotes over time, there is nothing directly negative you can say bad becaiuse its an AMAZING accomplishment with ALL the data to back it up,but what you can say is a cute remark like "60-130's are new comparisons with no rules of thumb" as if its being cheapened in away, as of now for the most part it has to be gps verified with +/- 3deg slope and everything else your on your own to max out your car. Otherwise where do you stop? this car has 2 shifts vs 3, why not have formula to equal out the weight?? if i weigh more my engine might be performing better but yield slower times due to weight why not add that?? In racing it used to be simple the guy that goes the fastest or finishes first wins, now we look for more and more stipulations to complicate that

        **edit**
        If im wrong in assuming this then i apologize, congrats again to the OP
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Guys come on, leave the Gintani vs ESS to another thread.

        Great times Mike, it must be a great feeling setting records and being pulled into your seat like that! Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        would you say that if it was a gintani car that posted this record??? Any performance measure can be broken down and down and down till you find more reasons why the tests were not equal, there are gintani cars all over the place now and they have the same opportunity to run in cool temps and run with DR and im sure they have tried. I dont have a m3 at all so i could care less about either of these kits but it def seems that ess gets no love around here. If this was gintani post would be reading"see its confirmed gintani is........." and not that we need new calculators!! How about we keep it simple, What Did the Car ACTUALLY Do? Has a Gintani car ever attempted 60-130 under 40deg?
        Absolutely, you think Drew runs 7.0x every single time he runs? It is a game of getting the best run in the best conditions in the best weather.

        It shows the capability in a limited window that is now going to be used as a reference like an absolute. It is already taking place with some of the comments that have been made as if all of a sudden there was some giant shift in the kit itself. That is how it is with times unfortunately for many people.

        ESS gets a lot of love, the owners definitely do, no one is saying anything bad just trying to balance out the people who seem to think all of a sudden no meth is capable of what meth is on this motor, it isn't. People also seem to have a short term memory regarding trap speeds.

        This is on the front page, everyone is congratulating him, everything Mikewads has done has been received positively. No need to make this ESS vs. Gintani I simply want you and a couple others to understand the factors at work and how that affects times. Once again, congratulations to Mike and pushing the envelope is great for all of us. We might even see an E9X in the 5's soon with the way things are progressing.