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    • Here it is, the 1M Coupe - Pictures and Official Specs, 335 hp N54 - The new M "era" begins

      Here we finally have it. No more teaser videos, no more showing a fender here or there, no more hype, this is the real deal. BMW gives us the final product and by no accident chose to show it with the E30 M3. Putting the 1M Coupe which has accomplished nothing up on the lofty pedestal of comparisons with the E30 M3, arguably the greatest BMW M ever made, is not showing the E30 M3 the proper respect. It is not a spiritual successor to the E30 M3. However, that is a debate for another time and let's focus on the specs and photos.

      The motor and tune is the exact same as the 335is and 2011 Z4 sDrive35is. Nothing special here folks, same N54, same 335 hp. Disappointing? In our opinion, for an M, yes. This shares the same motor as other cars in the lineup with no changes. Not even a different tune? In our opinion, the powerplant is a major letdown.

      The transmission is a 6-speed with extra cooling which it no doubt will need for the guys who take this thing out of the track. It sends power to the "M" differential which is just a part derived from the E92 M3. The borrowing from the M3 does not stop there, as the suspension is lifted from the M3 as well. Starting to see a pattern here? No doubt you see it with the wheels which are lifted from the M3 competition package with 245/35/19 and 265/35/19 tire measurements. How about those brakes? Lifted from the M3 as well.

      So far we have a parts bin car with the same motor already available and the same parts that were already designed. So... where is the "M" magic? In the body work of course. Look at those great fenders! The car certainly looks like it is a real M car. That counts, why do you think we got all those teasers of fenders and bumpers?

      The car will sell, they will sell every last one. People have already bought the hype. This isn't an E30 M3 and never will be one. As the guys at insideline put it so well, "No doubt the carmaker would like to recast the 2011 BMW 1 Series M as a spiritual successor to that beloved M3. That's a pipe dream." It is a great looking car that will be fun to drive but this new M era has us shaking our heads in disappointment of what M has now become.

















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      1. DavidV's Avatar
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
        I'm actually running 122 and this you know as well as me that the stock snails on the N54 are a joke, definitely lower air mass than gintani stage 2+ sc m3s...actually, what's the cfm on the gintani stg2+ setup? ESS doesn't hit 130+

        Oh, and check your 1/4 mile list, hotrod hit 132.77mph in the 1/4 with a small shot of NOS on stock snails so your argument against the N54 engine and its "puppy" nature doesn't hold, sorry...with a better than stock turbo setup (single or twin) this same motor isn't (hasn't) shown weaknesses yet...once a proper high horsepower fuel systems are ready only then we'll know where the N54 motor sits..
        ESS doesn't use meth, they don't count because they don't do it right.

        Hotrod wasn't running a small shot of nitrous, he lied, and what do you think happened to his car?

        The M3 is running at 12.0:1 compression. Sorry, bud, it is no comparison. An s65 at 20 psi+ is well over 800 whp. You have no idea what it is in store or what is already done. It is like comparing the S54 to the N54, the N54 isn't in the same league. You are vastly overestimating your puppy, no bite to go with the bark.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        With the right rubber it could even play with the new ZR1s.........
        Quit with this kind of nonsense.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
        I dont get you people. You salivate and hope that AMG drops the TT v8 in the C63 but you dont like when BMW drops a bin engine on the 1m. Same thing with the RS3 it has an engine from another car and I dont see anyone crying over it.
        M isn't AMG, at least it wasn't. The thing is, when AMG drops a motor in they don't care if they step on the toes of the bigger brothers. That is why the C class can get a V8 just like the E, S, or SL.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
        The days of high revving NA powerplants are gone due to the price per gallon of fuel, not to mention government regulations on emissions and fuel economy
        We know that, but Porsche and Ferrari make them work. They are gone because BMW is cutting costs and no longer wants to put in the development to make them work (which they can do).
      1. fstop7's Avatar
        fstop7 -
        Porsche sells enough base Boxsters, Cayennes, and Panameras to offset the fast cars. being part of VAG (LOL) helps, too. They can also raise prices on their higher end cars without driving away too many customers.

        Ferrari just doesn't give a $#@!, they'll simply raise their prices to offset emissions tariffs. They don't make enough cars for it to really matter, anyhow.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        ESS doesn't use meth, they don't count because they don't do it right.

        Hotrod wasn't running a small shot of nitrous, he lied, and what do you think happened to his car?

        The M3 is running at 12.0:1 compression. Sorry, bud, it is no comparison. An s65 at 20 psi+ is well over 800 whp. You have no idea what it is in store or what is already done. It is like comparing the S54 to the N54, the N54 isn't in the same league. You are vastly overestimating your puppy, no bite to go with the bark.
        Please sticky stop with this 800whp on 20+psi speculation...you're comparing a supercharger kit with a much larger CFM with stock snails and a small dry shot...nothing happened to hotrod's car that night at the track so please don't throw out BS like that again...fact is noone knows n54 motors limits with adequate fuel in place at this time and at this time, once again, n54 hasn't shown any weakness at the power levels reached so far (~540whp ASR)...
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Quit with this kind of nonsense.
        Did you not read my whole post? I happen to know how much a certain single turbo N54 makes to the wheels. That kit in a 1M and the right wheels/rubber would have a power/weight ratio better than the ZR1, while costing much less to get there.

        Just like you could build a EVO/STI/Supra/RX7/300ZX/Mustang/Trans-am/M3 to rape a stock ZR1, it's not some ridiculous far-fetched thing like you make it sound......
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno Click here to enlarge
        Please sticky stop with this 800whp on 20+psi speculation...you're comparing a supercharger kit with a much larger CFM with stock snails and a small dry shot...nothing happened to hotrod's car that night at the track so please don't throw out BS like that again...fact is noone knows n54 motors limits with adequate fuel in place at this time and at this time, once again, n54 hasn't shown any weakness at the power levels reached so far (~540whp ASR)...
        It isn't speculation, that is what it will be. Currently 600 whp on stock internals, it isn't a comparison. It is much larger CFM potential from the blower but they aren't being run anywhere near capacity because they don't need to be.

        Nothing happened to his car? Oh, he just messed up the tranny due to a larger shot of nitrous than he told people and then tried to get it fixed due to his connection to the dealer as a service advisor. You are missing a large chunk of the story, why do you think he has a diesel now?

        The N54 has shown weakness in fueling and simply does not have the potential of the S65. Considering the S65 is much stronger at high compression you should know what low compression will do. M motors are better boost platforms, sorry, just the way it is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
        Did you not read my whole post? I happen to know how much a certain single turbo N54 makes to the wheels. That kit in a 1M and the right wheels/rubber would have a power/weight ratio better than the ZR1, while costing much less to get there.

        Just like you could build a EVO/STI/Supra/RX7/300ZX/Mustang/Trans-am/M3 to rape a stock ZR1, it's not some ridiculous far-fetched thing like you make it sound......
        Considering the 1M's weight and the ZR-1's weight, the 1M would have to be making close to 550 whp considering what the ZR-1 dyno's. I haven't seen that from a single turbo N54. You guys vastly overestimate it.
      1. mazdaspeed6's Avatar
        mazdaspeed6 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Considering the 1M's weight and the ZR-1's weight, the 1M would have to be making close to 550 whp considering what the ZR-1 dyno's. I haven't seen that from a single turbo N54. You guys vastly overestimate it.
        with a little more boost and better tuning unfor will be getting close to the number your talking about Click here to enlarge he may or may not have made more than arClick here to enlarge
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mazdaspeed6 Click here to enlarge
        with a little more boost and better tuning unfor will be getting close to the number your talking about Click here to enlarge he may or may not have made more than arClick here to enlarge
        Unfor will no doubt be in that range or higher.

        But then a ZR-1 gets a tune and pulley and the discussion is over. Or an M3 gets build internals and the discussion is over. See what I mean? The N54's have a long way to go, great motor, but severe overestimation.
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        mazdaspeed6 -
        ^ i totally agree, i looked at a 2008 c6 vette before i got my 335. insurance was too much and isnt a practical daily.. i would LOVE to cam one out with a nice billy boat catless exhaustClick here to enlarge
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mazdaspeed6 Click here to enlarge
        ^ i totally agree, i looked at a 2008 c6 vette before i got my 335. insurance was too much and isnt a practical daily.. i would LOVE to cam one out with a nice billy boat catless exhaustClick here to enlarge
        I'm with you, I feel a C6 Z06 with an aggressive cam and tune is very appealing. Plus the sound...
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        mazdaspeed6 -
        nothing like the sound of a cammed v8Click here to enlarge
      1. BASELINE's Avatar
        BASELINE -


        How about we hear the perspective from someone who's not only DRIVEN the car, but also interestingly enough an E92 ///M3 owner. Hopefully it'll serve to clam up some of the hate.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BASELINE Click here to enlarge
        How about we hear the perspective from someone who's not only DRIVEN the car, but also interestingly enough an E92 ///M3 owner.
        You mean someone who has to get on their knees in order to get a test drive and they damn well better say the right things? They should let me drive it.

        Guy's M ideals start with the way the rev counter and and stick look, are you kidding me? He focuses all on M style instead of M substance, exactly what BMW is selling.

        How does the N54 motor all of a sudden feel like an NA motor up top? He is pandering, the motor is no different, everyone knows how the N54 feels up top. Just because it has an M badge on the back the motor does not change in character from what we have already have which most certainly is not a motor that feels anything like a high revving NA M motor up top. I would like to see one journalist with some balls to say what no one else is willing to.
      1. sargetony's Avatar
        sargetony -
        This is sooooo sexy! I wants one!
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How does the N54 motor all of a sudden feel like an NA motor up top?
        That is actually a good question.

        Did anyone ever say that about the Z4 35is or 335is? Since it is the exact same powerplant.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        That is actually a good question.

        Did anyone ever say that about the Z4 35is or 335is? Since it is the exact same powerplant.
        No, nobody did, which is why I can't take that load of BS seriously.

        An M badge somehow changes this?