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    • Stock C6 Z06 vs. ESS (esstuning) VT2-600 supercharged DCT E90 M3

      Here we have a bone stock C6 Z06 vs. a VT2-600 supercharged DCT M3. The M3 gets crushed pretty decisively. Even in the run where the Z06 let off and then got back on it, it clearly shows the power disparity between the two as the Z06 is able to creep back up. So why this result when a DCT Gintani supercharged M3 is able to walk a stock Z06?

      Well, a couple things. The M3 has 3.62 gears. I personally switched back to the stock gears after running 3.62's as they slowed me down up top. Additionally, this clearly shows, yet again, that the Gintani Stage 2 setup is simply much stronger. We respect the M3 owner for going out there and running and we thank the Z06 owner for putting the video up showing how it "really" is in the real world. In the future, the ESS M3 owner should switch back to the stock gears and get meth, unless he enjoys losing to stock cars.


      Here is Drew's Gintani Stage 2+ DCT M3 running stock Z06's:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Stock C6 Z06 vs. ESS (esstuning) VT2-600 supercharged DCT E90 M3 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 600whp S4 Click here to enlarge
        that does not look like a hpf stage 3
        I think he just made a typo.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        push-start button and white guages, looks like an m3 to me..if stock GTR's trap 119 here, then that looked like a 120-121.. 2 mph better.. i have no fear of non Gintani FI S65's anymore! Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        push-start button and white guages, looks like an m3 to me..if stock GTR's trap 119 here, then that looked like a 120-121.. 2 mph better.. i have no fear of non Gintani FI S65's anymore! Click here to enlarge
        You will still lose up top by a little bit though. The lower the speed of the race the better for you.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        not exactly, now that boost taper is gone, and RB's pull like a mofo. you'll see.....

        2mph is roughly 2 car lengths. given that i can accelerate faster in the 1/8, AND faster in the topend they will have a lot of room to make up for...so, ythey may start to catch, but not enough room to pass
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        not exactly, now that boost taper is gone, and RB's pull like a mofo. you'll see.....

        2mph is roughly 2 car lengths. given that i can accelerate faster in the 1/8, AND faster in the topend they will have a lot of room to make up for...so, ythey may start to catch, but not enough room to pass
        We'll see, just make sure it isn't something over 6 psi Click here to enlarge
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        11god i wanna run an ess or gintani car or a car like lm's!! Well i guess it wont be like lm's it will be slower
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        11god i wanna run an ess or gintani car or a car like lm's!! Well i guess it wont be like lm's it will be slower
        not really, RB's have started shipping Click here to enlarge
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        I have to disagree....I still feel an ESS VT2-625 DCT will walk away from an RB 335 anyway......

        LM I saw your results at ATCO over on N54tech.com and they weren't too impressive at all (I understand that you werent at high boost, and the track wasnt properly prepped, and you were struggling for traction, etc...) but I would still expect a higher trap from an upgraded turbo 335 (hopefully it was a fluke, and more results will be seen with the shipping of all these other kits)...

        http://bimmerboost.com/showthread.ph...rst-in-the-10s

        MikeWads with only the supercharger (not a 625 IIRC) was running impressive times with a $#@!ty 2.1 60ft time...

        from a 40 or 60 (especially) roll I feel the supercharged M3 should come out on top.....but who knows....
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        I have to disagree....I still feel an ESS VT2-625 DCT will walk away from an RB 335 anyway......

        LM I saw your results at ATCO over on N54tech.com and they weren't too impressive at all (I understand that you werent at high boost, and the track wasnt properly prepped, and you were struggling for traction, etc...) but I would still expect a higher trap from an upgraded turbo 335 (hopefully it was a fluke, and more results will be seen with the shipping of all these other kits)...

        .....http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...light=mikewads

        MikeWads with only the supercharger (not a 625 IIRC) was running impressive times with a $#@!ty 2.1 60ft time...

        from a 40 or 60 (especially) roll I feel the supercharged M3 should come out on top.....but who knows....
        yes, I agree, not impressive, i agree, but look at everyone else that was there, EVERYONE was down on mph. Imay have luckily pulled of "respectable" times, but look at jb3, v4/5, the fully bolted m3, and tuned c63 also, all were down, so that says a lot.

        FWIW, even look at this info:
        http://bimmerboost.com/showthread.ph...rental-results.

        and then soon after, same place, same cars:

        http://bimmerboost.com/showthread.ph...-22-10-Results

        and then of course, these results!

        http://bimmerboost.com/content.php?6...gain)#comments
        http://www.mbworld.org/forums/c63-am...02-2010-a.html

        we just went on a bad day, and me and those top MB's are neck and neck in power and weight (i think we talked about this comparo b4?) So what im trying to say is, one bad day of track time is not the end-all be-all of what we have on our hands
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        I have to disagree....I still feel an ESS VT2-625 DCT will walk away from an RB 335 anyway......

        LM I saw your results at ATCO over on N54tech.com and they weren't too impressive at all (I understand that you werent at high boost, and the track wasnt properly prepped, and you were struggling for traction, etc...) but I would still expect a higher trap from an upgraded turbo 335 (hopefully it was a fluke, and more results will be seen with the shipping of all these other kits)...

        MikeWads with only the supercharger (not a 625 IIRC) was running impressive times with a $#@!ty 2.1 60ft time...

        from a 40 or 60 (especially) roll I feel the supercharged M3 should come out on top.....but who knows....
        Learn to link to here: http://bimmerboost.com/showthread.ph...rst-in-the-10s

        I agree with you though that I think a VT2-625 especially DCT will walk away.
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        ^after looking at those MB results I have to agree that your car (not like I didn't know this, for I remember my fullybolted 335 was insane, I can imagine how hard the RB upgrade pulls) Is much faster than portrayed by your times. But, even though a VT625 is slow in comparison to a stage 2+ Gintani, it is by no means "slow" and I still feel a dct 625 will come out on top (better gearing, insane tranny, the strong top end V8, etc...). Nonetheless it's a good matchup, but my money would be on the boosted V8...
      1. ERM324's Avatar
        ERM324 -
        And with meth and some tuning (essentially what the Gintani kit has), I feel it's game over. This is all, of course, from a 40 or 60 roll....because at lower speeds (less than 120) I feel it'll be close...but after that the M will shine
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        ^after looking at those MB results I have to agree that your car (not like I didn't know this, for I remember my fullybolted 335 was insane, I can imagine how hard the RB upgrade pulls) Is much faster than portrayed by your times. But, even though a VT625 is slow in comparison to a stage 2+ Gintani, it is by no means "slow" and I still feel a dct 625 will come out on top (better gearing, insane tranny, the strong top end V8, etc...). Nonetheless it's a good matchup, but my money would be on the boosted V8...
        as long as we can agree it is a perfect matchup ! Click here to enlarge which it is Click here to enlarge which is why im eager to get down with one Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ERM324 Click here to enlarge
        But, even though a VT625 is slow in comparison to a stage 2+ Gintani, it is by no means "slow" and I still feel a dct 625 will come out on top (better gearing, insane tranny, the strong top end V8, etc...). Nonetheless it's a good matchup, but my money would be on the boosted V8...
        I think you are quite correct in your assessment. The VT2-625 should be in the ~125 trap range and with DCT will be tough to beat, likely pulling especially up top.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I think you are quite correct in your assessment. The VT2-625 should be in the ~125 trap range and with DCT will be tough to beat, likely pulling especially up top.
        much like my views on religion, i hope so, but i dont believe Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        much like my views on religion, i hope so, but i dont believe Click here to enlarge
        Start with one of the lower end setups and work your way up.... you will have your hands full with just he basic kit.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        and i have a basic upgrade kit. Im not arguing it wont be a good matchup, but we are only just about to begin extra fuel and tmap sensors..

        from what we have seen on comparable cars,in our location anyway, we are all "close" and that is what i would expect.

        believe me, im a fan of the fi s65's as thats my next move, but for right now, this is what i got, that is what they got, lets see what happens
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        and i have a basic upgrade kit. Im not arguing it wont be a good matchup, but we are only just about to begin extra fuel and tmap sensors..

        from what we have seen on comparable cars,in our location anyway, we are all "close" and that is what i would expect.

        believe me, im a fan of the fi s65's as thats my next move, but for right now, this is what i got, that is what they got, lets see what happens
        Yes, let's see, we are just speculating...
      1. Stimo's Avatar
        Stimo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by biglare Click here to enlarge
        HaHaHa! Son... please you are the one supposedly still in college. Your car? Your car has not been running for over a year. Me, nor anyone else is scared of a car that does not even run. Click here to enlarge

        Traction does make a difference, but you don't seem to understand that. I guess it is because you don't have a car that runs. Click here to enlarge

        Oh and I guess it is rocket science to you. A car with more boost and meth is supposed to be faster, it is not something to brag about. That is what should happen.

        You should start a new thread and let us know why your car has not been running for over a year before you go on and on on something you were not even a part of!

        I've moved on.


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        you have to be one of the stupidest persons ive ever seen on a forum talking as if you know something. So a car running more boost is SUPPOSED to be faster?? what happens if that car is running a WAY bigger turbo/charger than the other??? The game is VOLUME, not PREESSURE. And you obviously didnt graduate college if you didnt even know that.
        I have a nice little 4 cylinder subaru that id be more than happy to race you with if your car is the uber fast, and while were at it lets put down some cash since your car is teh faster and you eem to be super confident. And ill let you run more boost then me so that your "extra 2-3psi" should win, no?? lol, your a joke, quit posting before you make yourself look more stupid Click here to enlarge
      1. DLSJ5's Avatar
        DLSJ5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stimo Click here to enlarge
        you have to be one of the stupidest persons ive ever seen on a forum talking as if you know something. So a car running more boost is SUPPOSED to be faster?? what happens if that car is running a WAY bigger turbo/charger than the other??? The game is VOLUME, not PREESSURE. And you obviously didnt graduate college if you didnt even know that.
        I have a nice little 4 cylinder subaru that id be more than happy to race you with if your car is the uber fast, and while were at it lets put down some cash since your car is teh faster and you eem to be super confident. And ill let you run more boost then me so that your "extra 2-3psi" should win, no?? lol, your a joke, quit posting before you make yourself look more stupid Click here to enlarge
        When you compare the two setups, the Gintani setup actually uses a blower that pushes more volume, but they are close in WHP per psi, so biglare's response, when it comes to comparing these two kits, is accurate. All the current setups seem to be very close in terms of whp per psi. FWIW he has not been the one going around saying an ESS car with less boost can best or run with another M3 running more boost.