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    • A preview of the next generation 2017/2018 G30 chassis based M5 - Expect less weight plus xDrive all wheel drive with a DCT and over 630 horsepower

      The next generation M5 is still years away and the G30 5-Series it is based on is still not even here. Things may change quite a bit by the time it arrives but it never hurts to take a look at the direction M is headed. That direction is toward xDrive all wheel drive on its M models.


      It is somewhat of a reality of the times with how powerful cars are getting. If we are honest with ourselves we realize that the M cars have become muscle cars more than track cars. Is anyone seriously racing an X5M on a roadcourse? Is the F10 M5 limp mode that kicks in after a couple laps really that much fun on the track?

      The M cars have become more about power than finesse. They need all that power and torque as they have also become so heavy. The F10 M5 is fat at 4313 pounds. It also has shied away from the perfect 50/50 weight distribution to 52.4/47.6 front to rear. Expect this to get worse with the addition of all wheel drive.

      BimmerBoost 'overheard' a few things at the LA Auto Show although we have no direct source from BMW to quote which did not even know it was being listened in on anyway. What we can tell you is our report is similar to what the the Germans have been putting out themselves.

      The next generation M5 will lose weight courtesy of the G30 5-Series chassis which will ditch most of its steel for aluminum. Expect a 100 pound weight loss at the very least although BMW has been missing its weight loss targets. As all wheel drive will add weight BMW simply will have to get the chassis weight down so that the new M5 does not exceed the F10 M5.

      The question mark at this point is whether the xDrive all wheel drive will be standard or optional. Mercedes-AMG offers 4Matic all wheel drive as an option but those of us in the USA know the E63 AMG only comes in 4Matic form. It is certainly possible BMW does the same although this would upset the traditional rear wheel drive BMW fanbase. Moving to all wheel drive is such a huge change we would think BMW should offer the option in the USA especially for those who want a lighter M5 with the traditional power on oversteer characteristics instead of more weight on the nose and understeer.

      The engine will be an S63TU variant with horsepower pushed up past 630. BMW will likely deliver over 600 horsepower at the wheels although they will not get into a power war on paper. They are underrating their turbo motors so expect the crank and wheel numbers to be close.

      As of right now we can say expect an all wheel drive M5 with 630+ horsepower mated a dual clutch transmission with a curb weight just a tad under the F10 M5. As stated things change but this is where we are headed.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: A preview of the next generation 2017/2018 G30 chassis based M5 - Expect less weight plus xDrive all wheel drive with a DCT and over 630 horsepower started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 15 Comments
      1. whoosh's Avatar
        whoosh -
        What are the chances that BMW will develop the DCT to accommodate xDrive? Seems like they might do the same here as is available right now with the F22 M235i - MT or Auto for RWD, Auto only for xDrive. Extend that logically to the real M cars, and it would be MT or DCT for RWD, and Auto only for xDrive. I'd love to have DCT and AWD together, but I have a hard time seeing BMW make the investment for development when the ZF8 is already good enough for the large majority of their real purchasing demo.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
        I'd love to have DCT and AWD together, but I have a hard time seeing BMW make the investment for development when the ZF8 is already good enough for the large majority of their real purchasing demo.
        It's a sooner or later type of thing. They still have years.

        Would they really offer the RWD with DCT and the AWD without it?
      1. sahyoun's Avatar
        sahyoun -
        Hopefully that 630hp is closer to the whp rating like the other newer M's.
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        sahyoun -
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by sahyoun Click here to enlarge
        Hopefully that 630hp is closer to the whp rating like the other newer M's.
        It will be as stated.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        630HP, AWD and DCT is going to be quite a beast! Wish I could afford one LOL.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        600+ hp, AWD, and DCT is pretty much what it will need as that is what the next gen Panamera Turbo will be bring to the table easily.

        Porsche isn't going to play second fiddle to these new sedans.
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Personal preference but I would never own a Panamera before an M6 especially if equipped as stated above.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        Personal preference but I would never own a Panamera before an M6 especially if equipped as stated above.
        That's fine I'm just speaking of performance.
      1. leveraged sellout's Avatar
        leveraged sellout -
        Really hope it weighs even less than that, was lead to believe that the G30 platform might be seeing several hundred pounds of weight reduction, which doesn't seem impossible...100 pounds is practically a lithium battery, standard ceramic brakes, a carbon driveshaft, carbon trunklid + hood, lighter wheels, lighter exhaust...hell all that puts you at more than 100 pounds off. They better have something serious planned.
      1. sdg1871's Avatar
        sdg1871 -
        This looks like it could be quite a monster. If this had been available now it would have been a very very very tough choice with the E63 S. But my heart is always with BMW so this would have probably gotten the nod.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I don't think there is anything wrong with all wheel drive as long as its a option...... they need to make it a option and keep rear wheel for those that want it.

        I am wondering though....who would really want rear wheel? It won't hook as well, it won't be good in bad weather, so why keep it? To drift? well that's stupid.

        The GTR is all wheel drive, no one complains about that, so is the RS7, no complaining there. I could only see the rear wheel drive car being lighter but would it be faster?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        I am wondering though....who would really want rear wheel? It won't hook as well, it won't be good in bad weather, so why keep it? To drift? well that's stupid.
        Lighter car, quicker from a roll, and more fun to drive offering more throttle control over the chassis.

        Why did people choose the M3 over the RS4?
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Lighter car, quicker from a roll, and more fun to drive offering more throttle control over the chassis.

        Why did people choose the M3 over the RS4?
        because audis are fat and slow
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bigdnno98 Click here to enlarge
        because audis are fat and slow
        And understreet like crazy. That's the point.