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    • Is BMW outgunned? Next Gen C AMG to get 5.5 TT + C63 Black Series may be coming

      We have received some inside information that Mercedes will indeed give the C-class the new 5.5 liter twin turbo V8 for the next generation AMG model. With the M3 getting an N55 variant it almost surely will be significantly overmatched by a C that will put up at least 500 horsepower depending on how MB limits the boost. By BMW limiting themselves to a 6 cylinder and saving the V8 TT's for the larger cars, they have allowed Mercedes a significant advantage as MB does not seem as concerned in holding back the C class as BMW is with holding back the 3 series from stepping on big brother's toes.

      That isn't the worst of it, word is Mercedes will be using an ECU that also will be tuneable. Someone happened to tell us that a last minute decision was made to not use the Siemens/Continental SE controller and stick with Bosch which means a ton of power will be on tap. If this wasn't bad enough for BMW fans who are going to be playing around with BMW anti-tuning measures and less displacement, Mercedes plans to put their 4.6 liter twin turbo V8 in most models as well to replace the 500/550's. Who says the horsepower war is over? Mercedes seems intent to blow BMW away and I would personally like to thank them for doing so, maybe it will wake BMW up.

      C63 Black Series

      A prototype has been spotted running at the AMG Academy in Europe. Fitted with a cage and matte black paint the car was testing with an SLS. Most likely, it will share the top end of the SLS motor. Will it come to market? It would sure seem that they are serious about it.

      Where does this leave BMW?

      Good question, the next gen M5 and M6 will be strong performers taking on the best MB has to offer. However, what about the rest of the lineup? The N63 4.4 TT V8 has the Mercedes 4.6 liter twin turbo V8 covered but the M3 and 3 series are going to struggle against such a formidable opponent.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Is BMW outgunned? Next Gen C AMG to get 5.5 TT + C63 Black Series may be coming started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 48 Comments
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        guys this is sad sad news, why cant they use a d tuned version of the m5/6 like someone else suggested?? I remember when we found out they were dumping the s85 how devastated we were on the m5/6 boards!! a motor that revs to 8250 makes 100hp per liter and will drag 4000lb cars to 200!! Yes tt's are great for power but its just not the same i love my s85
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        guys this is sad sad news, why cant they use a d tuned version of the m5/6 like someone else suggested??
        Because they are efficiently dynamically retarded.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        es tt's are great for power but its just not the same i love my s85
        If they TT'd the S85 or S65 not a single person would be complaining, we would all probably be on our knees in worship.
      1. mazdaspeed6's Avatar
        mazdaspeed6 -
        Those look like some pretty beefy turbos, looks like there is a LOT of room to bump up boost...Click here to enlarge
      1. BASELINE's Avatar
        BASELINE -
        AMG is just not messing around. Let me just sum it up in my infinite wisdom, "BMW is $#@!ed!" They are bringing a knife to a gun fight....a butter knife at that.

        At the end, regardless of whether the M3 turns out to be a better driving car or not, the MB will $#@! on it everywhere performance wise. And with the DCTs being the "standard" performance choice going forward...the trans playing field is now level. MB made huge strides in terms of driving dynamics with the current C class to get it close to the 3 series....if it makes the same type of progress next time around, I'll be really hard pressed to find many quantifiable advantages in the BMW performance offering.

        BMW might end up losing the advantage of being a better car dynamically...and now that the days of buying a BMW performance car also because it could be had with a manual are over...whats left? Oh the wonderful engines.....wait, they stop making those too.

        Awesome!!Click here to enlarge
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        I have them all out gun'd and raped.
      1. 1cleanAMG's Avatar
        1cleanAMG -
        Cant wait to see the next C63.
      1. malooamg's Avatar
        malooamg -
        i work for mecedes in australia and every thing ive been led to believe is that at the end of 2011 the tt 5.5lt will be put into the c lass and the c class coupe 63
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Will the 5.5 ttV8 find its way into the new C-class coupe being built next year?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by malooamg Click here to enlarge
        i work for mecedes in australia and every thing ive been led to believe is that at the end of 2011 the tt 5.5lt will be put into the c lass and the c class coupe 63
        Into the coupe as well? I may switch to Benz.