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    • DCT Build Part VII - Taking the BMW E92 M3 DCT to the next level, 800+ wheel horsepower clutch disc capacity

      You have seen the DCT taken apart, what it looks like inside, worn clutch discs, and brand new higher capacity clutch discs made. The new discs handle 600+ and 700+ whp respectively. With my power goals, SSP has decided to build a clutch pack that is beyond anything developed at this time for the DCT. What is the power goal? Well, it is beyond what is currently available and SSP is currently developing a clutch disc pack capable of over 800 wheel horsepower.

      How is this being done?

      The current clutch discs are of a thicker material than the stock discs. However, the stock clutch pack has 9 discs in it. By increasing the number of clutch discs they are going to increase the maximum torque capacity. By going to a thicker material and increasing the total number of discs to 11, the DCT in the BMW M3 will be taken to a level no one previously thought was possible. This is going to be similar to the GTR 1000 hp clutch setup by SSP (pictured) but the GTR uses more clutch discs albeit smaller, thinner discs.

      What else is being done and how much time will it take?

      The DCT is going to receive a cooling system based on what SSP has done with the GTR's. This will be a DCT specific application and will be great for the guys who track. No more overheats, no more staying away from the track on hot days. Look for a separate build thread specifically for the cooling system in the next few weeks. Regarding the time period, expect completion next month with the car returning fully assembled and capable of handling the increased power.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: M3 DCT Build Journal - World's First BMW DCT Build started by Sticky View original post
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      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Didn't I see a clip here where HPF pulled a motor from a M3, screwed a SC on completely, got the engine back in the car and tuned it in 2,5 hours?
        Why does it take those screw ups at Gintani months to do this?
        It does not make sense to me. They are screwing you over.
        This is not rocket science. It is mounting a cooler and a SC for crying out loud.
        They must have done this numerous times.

        Are you offering them free advertising for the time of the build?
        What do they gain by still having your car there?
      1. 0-60Motorsports's Avatar
        0-60Motorsports -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Didn't I see a clip here where HPF pulled a motor from a M3, screwed a SC on completely, got the engine back in the car and tuned it in 2,5 hours?
        Why does it take those screw ups at Gintani months to do this?
        It does not make sense to me. They are screwing you over.
        This is not rocket science. It is mounting a cooler and a SC for crying out loud.
        They must have done this numerous times.

        Are you offering them free advertising for the time of the build?
        What do they gain by still having your car there?
        I completely agree. It doesnt take a few days for the engine to be built if you have all the parts ready and if the bracket for the SC etc everything is ready then whats the reason for the dealy. You already have the trans cooler issue started. Even the delay from the trans cooler positioning shouldnt have stopped them from at least installing the engine back.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Didn't I see a clip here where HPF pulled a motor from a M3, screwed a SC on completely, got the engine back in the car and tuned it in 2,5 hours?
        Why does it take those screw ups at Gintani months to do this?
        It does not make sense to me. They are screwing you over.
        They aren't screw ups, the work is actually really high quality. Kris@SSP commented on how the quality of the welding was superb for example.

        And yes, HPF did get a car done that fast but there were also a few mistakes there due to rushing it.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Are you offering them free advertising for the time of the build?
        What do they gain by still having your car there?
        No, no free advertising.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports Click here to enlarge
        Hhhmmm this is taking way too long bro. Is Gintani that busy?
        Yes, they are extremely busy at the moment.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 0-60Motorsports Click here to enlarge
        Even the delay from the trans cooler positioning shouldnt have stopped them from at least installing the engine back.
        Agreed.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Still the question remains what Gintani gains by having your car there for such a long period of time.
        Clearly your car should be their top priority by now. Even high quality work does not take this long to finish.
        And I can not imagine that there are cars there that have waited longer to finish then yours.
        Or they must have a really big parking lot...

        If only the system first come first serve applies there you should be driving your car next week.
        I'd be showing up at Gintani daily by now if I were you. But that's just me.
      1. 0-60Motorsports's Avatar
        0-60Motorsports -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Still the question remains what Gintani gains by having your car there for such a long period of time.
        Clearly your car should be their top priority by now. Even high quality work does not take this long to finish.
        And I can not imagine that there are cars there that have waited longer to finish then yours.
        Or they must have a really big parking lot...

        If only the system first come first serve applies there you should be driving your car next week.
        I'd be showing up at Gintani daily by now if I were you. But that's just me.
        I think agree with you. I wouldnt be a happy camper if the car was so late.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Still the question remains what Gintani gains by having your car there for such a long period of time.
        Clearly your car should be their top priority by now. Even high quality work does not take this long to finish.
        And I can not imagine that there are cars there that have waited longer to finish then yours.
        Or they must have a really big parking lot...

        If only the system first come first serve applies there you should be driving your car next week.
        I'd be showing up at Gintani daily by now if I were you. But that's just me.
        There isn't much I can really do except bug them. I'm taking care of it, it will get done. Just patience... Seems like you guys need it more than I do!
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        There isn't much I can really do except bug them. I'm taking care of it, it will get done. Just patience... Seems like you guys need it more than I do!
        Bug them. Bug them? They need a firm kick in the balls, that's what they need!
        Bug them...

        No seriously. Go there, offer them to order parts yourself if they are too "busy" to take care of it. Take $#@!ing charge of your build if they won't!
        It has past the time of wanting this build to finish. Probably more then a year, but that was the tranny's fault. Ok, granted.
        But Gintani has full control of the build now, so no more excuses. Make them work on it. They need to step up some notches.
        This is no quality shop. It looks like a bunch of slackers to me.
        I would only bring my car there for a tune if I plan to leave the country for a year...
      1. 0-60Motorsports's Avatar
        0-60Motorsports -
        Yeah You need to take CHARGE. Any way if you wana keep sitting for another year for it to be completed, as long as your happy, all of us who care about your project wont get bothered Click here to enlarge
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Wow, I just read through this thread. Wasn't aware you've been without your car almost two years Click here to enlarge

        Maybe that explains your bitterness towards us N54ers who get to enjoy our cars daily (unless it's at the dealer getting a new HPFP) Click here to enlarge

        I keed keed Click here to enlarge

        I honestly feel with you and hope you'll get your back soon! When I'm without mine for a week, let alone a month, I start to feel miserable already...
      1. oldgixxer's Avatar
        oldgixxer -
        Sticky not for nothing but just to put this into perspective: we found a new undeveloped lot to build a house on,had the lot cleared&900' driveway cut in&paved,built a 4000sq.ft house on the lot,had it fully landscaped,moved in,had a custom in-ground pool dug into the backyard and had a kid all in a shorter time frame then its taking to put a supercharger/built engine or whatever on your car...and anybody whose built a house from the ground up knows that $#@! don't happen overnight. I feel bad for you,something is CLEARLY not right with this situation&you have to make a move in whatever direction needed to have them complete this build asap. Take a step back,remove yourself from the situation for a few minutes and ask yourself, "should it really take this long or is something obviously wrong here??" Click here to enlarge
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Bro I think the problem is sticky, if you show too much patience your stuff gets put on the back burner and stays there. Also he is probably getting it done for free or at a large discount and this often leads people to think "I'll get to it when I get to it". It happened to me along time ago where I was testing something for a company and they were under the impression that they were "hooking me up" I informed them that this was a business transaction like any other, they may not have been receiving cash but they were getting my car to $#@! around with and were gonna be able to show off their product on a very modified car which was of great value to them. Once they saw I was at the end of my rope $#@! got done quick.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        It's not really Gintani's fault. I was there last week and they've been waiting on SSP, that is really the only case. Once they move their cooler, they want to start the install the motor in the car. I wouldnt want to rush it, esp just for a half mile roll right when you get the car. At least break in the stage 3 the right way, and then lets go to Mojave mile. I'm coming with you Sticky, I already called shotgun there. LOL
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Bug them. Bug them? They need a firm kick in the balls, that's what they need!
        Bug them...

        No seriously. Go there, offer them to order parts yourself if they are too "busy" to take care of it. Take $#@!ing charge of your build if they won't!
        It has past the time of wanting this build to finish. Probably more then a year, but that was the tranny's fault. Ok, granted.
        But Gintani has full control of the build now, so no more excuses. Make them work on it. They need to step up some notches.
        This is no quality shop. It looks like a bunch of slackers to me.
        I would only bring my car there for a tune if I plan to leave the country for a year...
        They are getting blame for SSP's lag, it isn't fair. Could they do things better? Sure, but so could everyone.

        I'll be in their area soon and will be there everyday to follow up on it. For now, I just have to be patient.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oldgixxer Click here to enlarge
        Sticky not for nothing but just to put this into perspective: we found a new undeveloped lot to build a house on,had the lot cleared&900' driveway cut in&paved,built a 4000sq.ft house on the lot,had it fully landscaped,moved in,had a custom in-ground pool dug into the backyard and had a kid all in a shorter time frame then its taking to put a supercharger/built engine or whatever on your car...and anybody whose built a house from the ground up knows that $#@! don't happen overnight. I feel bad for you,something is CLEARLY not right with this situation&you have to make a move in whatever direction needed to have them complete this build asap. Take a step back,remove yourself from the situation for a few minutes and ask yourself, "should it really take this long or is something obviously wrong here??" Click here to enlarge
        You guys are being way too negative.

        Yes, it's taken way too long. Ok, nothing can be changed about the past.

        We are where we are and let's move forward positively instead of focusing on the time of the build. I won't ever do a build like this again or without a set timetable or without someone having done it first. Being a guinea pig isn't fun but this is for the benefit of BimmerBoost so I hope it all pays off.

        I could sit here and be angry and call up Gintani every 5 minutes. What will it accomplish?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        It's not really Gintani's fault. I was there last week and they've been waiting on SSP, that is really the only case. Once they move their cooler, they want to start the install the motor in the car. I wouldnt want to rush it, esp just for a half mile roll right when you get the car. At least break in the stage 3 the right way, and then lets go to Mojave mile. I'm coming with you Sticky, I already called shotgun there. LOL
        Exactly.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Bro I think the problem is sticky, if you show too much patience your stuff gets put on the back burner and stays there. Also he is probably getting it done for free or at a large discount and this often leads people to think "I'll get to it when I get to it". It happened to me along time ago where I was testing something for a company and they were under the impression that they were "hooking me up" I informed them that this was a business transaction like any other, they may not have been receiving cash but they were getting my car to $#@! around with and were gonna be able to show off their product on a very modified car which was of great value to them. Once they saw I was at the end of my rope $#@! got done quick.
        For free or a large discount my ass.

        You guys all think you are experts on what is taking place. It is getting done, sorry it isn't as fast as you want it.
      1. Jeremy@SSP's Avatar
        Jeremy@SSP -
        Gintani is NOT waiting on SSP.....period.

        Gintani needs to re-located the transmission cooler to fit with there kit. This is NOT something that SSP can do. Once they figure out a proper mounting location, they can send us the measurements so we can make new lines.


        Jeremy@SSP

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      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        $#@! hit the fan now.