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    • DCT Build Part VII - Taking the BMW E92 M3 DCT to the next level, 800+ wheel horsepower clutch disc capacity

      You have seen the DCT taken apart, what it looks like inside, worn clutch discs, and brand new higher capacity clutch discs made. The new discs handle 600+ and 700+ whp respectively. With my power goals, SSP has decided to build a clutch pack that is beyond anything developed at this time for the DCT. What is the power goal? Well, it is beyond what is currently available and SSP is currently developing a clutch disc pack capable of over 800 wheel horsepower.

      How is this being done?

      The current clutch discs are of a thicker material than the stock discs. However, the stock clutch pack has 9 discs in it. By increasing the number of clutch discs they are going to increase the maximum torque capacity. By going to a thicker material and increasing the total number of discs to 11, the DCT in the BMW M3 will be taken to a level no one previously thought was possible. This is going to be similar to the GTR 1000 hp clutch setup by SSP (pictured) but the GTR uses more clutch discs albeit smaller, thinner discs.

      What else is being done and how much time will it take?

      The DCT is going to receive a cooling system based on what SSP has done with the GTR's. This will be a DCT specific application and will be great for the guys who track. No more overheats, no more staying away from the track on hot days. Look for a separate build thread specifically for the cooling system in the next few weeks. Regarding the time period, expect completion next month with the car returning fully assembled and capable of handling the increased power.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: M3 DCT Build Journal - World's First BMW DCT Build started by Sticky View original post
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      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Well, one person made a donation for $250, which is much appreciated. About 80% goes towards helping people with MS.

        Thank you!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Well, one person made a donation for $250, which is much appreciated. About 80% goes towards helping people with MS.

        Thank you!
        Awesome.
      1. folgrz's Avatar
        folgrz -
        See signature...

        Its there for a reason. But can be also applied to clothes, homes, high ticket fashion items, etc...

        Just enjoy life and since we're on a car forum... Drive the most badass car that you love/acquire! Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by folgrz Click here to enlarge
        See signature...

        Its there for a reason. But can be also applied to clothes, homes, high ticket fashion items, etc...

        Just enjoy life and since we're on a car forum... Drive the most badass car that you love/acquire! Click here to enlarge
        I agree and would love nothing more than to do so. But since I'm me and this build is what it is many people would prefer to be negative rather than positive about resolving all issues.

        I simply want my car working and for SSP to be exposed and pay for the damage they have done. When you guys find out what I just learned you will laugh. Or cry.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I simply want my car working and for SSP to be exposed and pay for the damage they have done. When you guys find out what I just learned you will laugh. Or cry.
        bring it
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I agree and would love nothing more than to do so. But since I'm me and this build is what it is many people would prefer to be negative rather than positive about resolving all issues.

        I simply want my car working and for SSP to be exposed and pay for the damage they have done. When you guys find out what I just learned you will laugh. Or cry.
        Your really building this up, hope it's legit.... Vargas stg3's in a dct 335 would be lethal!
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Joe - For me nothing would be better other than to speak about cars on the forum but...when you come out putting other peoples ride down or saying how much money you have, how many properties you have, people like me speak up.

        You have an education...great for you but so do a lot of other people here (my phd is in quantitative finance). You have a couple bucks saved up but so do a lot of people here (and some of them have more money than you).

        The difference between you and I is I don't put people down whereas you have. A good example is telling everyone how the house you live in (not own) is superior then anything any of us have. Rather than say sorry that perhaps what you said came out the wrong way, you qualify it saying you were only speaking to those that put you down but lets be honest, that was not in your original post. In either situation I probably win.

        Sometimes one has to be humble...they don't teach you that in school which is why you are wet behind the ears. I am somewhat confident your father does not run around telling how much money he has. Ignorance is bliss and when you have been around the block you will understand.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Joe - For me nothing would be better other than to speak about cars on the forum but...when you come out putting other peoples ride down or saying how much money you have, how many properties you have, people like me speak up.
        I'm sorry where were you to point fingers when people were putting my ride or build down? A bit hypocritical don't you think? Especially considering my response was due to said persons insults. You sure know how to point a finger in one direction.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        You have an education...great for you but so do a lot of other people here (my phd is in quantitative finance). You have a couple bucks saved up but so do a lot of people here (and some of them have more money than you).
        And? I do find it odd how much bitter anger I generate because I happen to be 29. I'm also building my own thing here without any help from anyone last I checked. Just my own two hands.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        The difference between you and I is I don't put people down whereas you have. A good example is telling everyone how the house you live in (not own) is superior then anything any of us have. Rather than say sorry that perhaps what you said came out the wrong way, you qualify it saying you were only speaking to those that put you down but lets be honest, that was not in your original post. In either situation I probably win.
        I disagree Earl. If your rep history was made public I think many here would see how you try to influence discussion and who/why you try to put down just in a slightly different manner than outright stating it. And you have put me down several times so I'm sorry this doesn't make much sense to me.

        Once again, I wasn't putting people down as a whole I was putting down those who were putting me down. My shots were in response to theirs. I don't go in your thread or Jim's threads calling tuners or cars trash. Never have as a matter of fact I am quite supportive and positive donating a significant portion of my time to positively covering the cars yet I do not get the same respect.

        This is a build thread, not an open ended discussion about my life which for some reason tends to polarize many people. I also am not one to shy away from saying what I think and if that is me not being humble well then that is just not me.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Sometimes one has to be humble...they don't teach you that in school which is why you are wet behind the ears. I am somewhat confident your father does not run around telling how much money he has. Ignorance is bliss and when you have been around the block you will understand.
        My father is 74 years old and money isn't his focus any longer. He's been through far more in life than you, or I, or really anyone here. To him, you're wet behind the ears and have hardly been around the block. It's a matter of perspective somewhat isn't it?
      1. Blitz535i's Avatar
        Blitz535i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        This is a build thread, not an open ended discussion about my life
        If you don't mind me asking, what career or business was your father in during his lifetime? He obviously did very well for himself and his family, and I remember he survived the Nazi camps as well. Not trying to pry and I respect the fact that you may want to answer this on a public forum.

        Peace.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blitz535i Click here to enlarge
        If you don't mind me asking, what career or business was your father in during his lifetime? He obviously did very well for himself and his family, and I remember he survived the Nazi camps as well. Not trying to pry and I respect the fact that you may want to answer this on a public forum.

        Peace.
        Not Nazi camps (that was my moms side) but Stalin's camps. It's fine, I did a whole research paper on the topic that was popular reading in the history department.
      1. Blitz535i's Avatar
        Blitz535i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not Nazi camps (that was my moms side) but Stalin's camps
        I'm ignorant to what "Stalin's camps" were but will educate myself tonight.

        Perhaps our mothers passed each other in one of those camps years ago. Small world.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blitz535i Click here to enlarge
        I'm ignorant to what "Stalin's camps" were but will educate myself tonight.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Blitz535i Click here to enlarge
        Perhaps our mothers passed each other in one of those camps years ago. Small world.
        No, my mother wasn't born yet. Her uncle was though and he was one of the few to survive Auschwitz. Unfortunately sent there for being in the Polish military and helping people the Nazis were looking for. But he made it out (lasted 2 years, average lifespan was 2 months in the camp), came here, and opened a Baskin Robbins. Kind of a cool story.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Joe,

        My rep history is completely irrelevant here so quite trying to change the story (but people are obviously agreeing with what I have to say).

        You were putting every member on this forum with your house comment and only after you read it and the comments did you back track and say you were only putting those down who had put you down.

        As I said, I have no beef with you. You are a young boy and believe you can do no wrong.

        You are also right that this is a build thread but when YOU discuss how much money you have, what a nice place you live in, talk about all the properties you have and put down the car of someone else, do you really expect the thread to stay on topic? You are naive to think you are right in every situation....again, wet behind the ears.

        And for the record, thanks for supporting me and Weistec about the cars.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        My rep history is completely irrelevant here so quite trying to change the story (but people are obviously agreeing with what I have to say).
        It's completely relevant when discussing if you "insult" people. I've seen you do some nasty things, just saying maybe you shouldn't point fingers especially if part of your point is that nobody is perfect which you seem to be implying.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        You were putting every member on this forum with your house comment and only after you read it and the comments did you back track and say you were only putting those down who had put you down.
        Back tracking is apparently clarification in your mind.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        As I said, I have no beef with you. You are a young boy and believe you can do no wrong.
        Ok and I have no beef with you so then stop taking my thread off course with further OT posts?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        You are also right that this is a build thread but when YOU discuss how much money you have, what a nice place you live in, talk about all the properties you have and put down the car of someone else, do you really expect the thread to stay on topic? You are naive to think you are right in every situation....again, wet behind the ears.
        Uh, no. This idiot who built, if you want to call destroying my trans "building" it, accused me of not paying for my motor build so I made sure to make my point with emphasis regarding the monetary level he is discussing here. As if the engine, tuning, body work, wheels, suspension work, exhaust work, brake work, etc., have anything to do with what he was supposed to do which was get the trans right which is why he got it in the first place. Clearly an attempt at shifting the focus and blame so you continuing to indulge the OT aspects only takes the focus off what should be the focus here.

        And that would be @SSPKris completely $#@!ing up my transmission, being over a year late, taking no responsibility, having no accountability, and this not being the first time it has happened. So, while I am fortunate enough to be in a position where this build, trans, and whatever else, has little impact on me financially considering that since it started revenue just from the forum alone has septupled I am all about the principle on this and believe what SSP has done here should be made known so nobody else has to go through it. They are currently looking for some cars, well, the word needs to get out.

        THAT IS THE FOCUS AND WHAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS.

        If me sharply responding to people putting me, my tuner, and my build down (considering I have made some fairly LARGE sacrifices for the benefit of the BMW modification community) upset anyone my apologies but I'm not some bum begging for change here or someone sugar coating anything to be politically correct.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        And for the record, thanks for supporting me and Weistec about the cars.
        Yes, that's exactly what I do and I support all members with whatever they made need whether it be tech support, good deals with vendors, where to buy something, photo coverage, front page coverage, editing, whatever.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        can we ALL grow up and forget the money $#@!.. i wanna know about the DCT
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        can we ALL grow up and forget the money $#@!.. i wanna know about the DCT
        Just wait...
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        Velocity26 -
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      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring
      1. leo985i's Avatar
        leo985i -
        So much trash talking in this thread. Just lock it up already, and move on people.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
        So much trash talking in this thread. Just lock it up already, and move on people.