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    • DCT Build Part VII - Taking the BMW E92 M3 DCT to the next level, 800+ wheel horsepower clutch disc capacity

      You have seen the DCT taken apart, what it looks like inside, worn clutch discs, and brand new higher capacity clutch discs made. The new discs handle 600+ and 700+ whp respectively. With my power goals, SSP has decided to build a clutch pack that is beyond anything developed at this time for the DCT. What is the power goal? Well, it is beyond what is currently available and SSP is currently developing a clutch disc pack capable of over 800 wheel horsepower.

      How is this being done?

      The current clutch discs are of a thicker material than the stock discs. However, the stock clutch pack has 9 discs in it. By increasing the number of clutch discs they are going to increase the maximum torque capacity. By going to a thicker material and increasing the total number of discs to 11, the DCT in the BMW M3 will be taken to a level no one previously thought was possible. This is going to be similar to the GTR 1000 hp clutch setup by SSP (pictured) but the GTR uses more clutch discs albeit smaller, thinner discs.

      What else is being done and how much time will it take?

      The DCT is going to receive a cooling system based on what SSP has done with the GTR's. This will be a DCT specific application and will be great for the guys who track. No more overheats, no more staying away from the track on hot days. Look for a separate build thread specifically for the cooling system in the next few weeks. Regarding the time period, expect completion next month with the car returning fully assembled and capable of handling the increased power.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: M3 DCT Build Journal - World's First BMW DCT Build started by Sticky View original post
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      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        When you go pick up the car, please let me know bro. I really wanna see it. I'm in depression that I have a broken car. So seeing your car finally alive will give me hope for mine. LOL
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm not making any excuses I haven't even called to check. Why don't you find out and let me know?

        The point I was making is there is *a bit* more involved than just dropping a motor in and starting it. Relax.
        A bit more involved? Been there and done that and continue to push the edge.

        For the record you originally did say that you would be more than a match for the clk's and now the tune has changed to you talking about Jim's C car. Why the Change?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        A bit more involved? Been there and done that and continue to push the edge.

        For the record you originally did say that you would be more than a match for the clk's and now the tune has changed to you talking about Jim's C car. Why the Change?
        There is no change. I was told I had no chance with either. I have consistently said I would race either. The change now is that apparently the monetary offer to race the C dropped Click here to enlarge That isn't on me.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        @Sticky - so what is the holdup ? Motor is done....is it back in the car ? What's the status ?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky - so what is the holdup ? Motor is done....is it back in the car ? What's the status ?
        I don't know, I haven't talked to them today.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        You do realize I am going with the 3.0L and some new weistec goodies, right? With a pulley swap and a tune I can get numbers close to what my CLK is making today, right? Steve will be at the event with his laptop....just sayin
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm saying I will take 5:1 on the C63 Black Series... again.

        I'm very aware what you are getting done and what they are capable of.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        ....trust me, I more concerned with the world ending tomorrow than I am of your car ever beating the CLK. 5 to 1 odds is a standing bet, any time you want to loose some money let me know, only problem is the car will only be out there a couple more weeks and then you will have to drag your candy ass to Chicago, and we know that will never happen. Remember, my car has been at Weistec all winterClick here to enlarge.....just sayin

        I will give you 10 to 1 odds but your minimum wager has to be at least $1000.....say the word.

        I will give you 2 to 1 with the C BS.......man up and accept a bet
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Heh no prob.



        Why not? I already stated that was only fair due to the wait. It will make for a great vid comparison plus I haven't been to Chicago. I want to try out the local restaurants and the local Polish women.



        10:1 $1k is fine with me.



        Um ok?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        2 to 1 with the c... I didnt make that offer or any other I just accepted.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Went down fast from 5 to 1 to now nothing?
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Went down fast from 5 to 1 to now nothing?
        Well, JRCART never committed to 5:1 on the C, but said he would determine the bet once he got dyno numbers. I guess after he got dyno numbers, he offered to 2:1, which it looks like you accepted.

        Maybe JRCART forgot about the 2:1 offer on the C. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Well, JRCART never committed to 5:1 on the C, but said he would determine the bet once he got dyno numbers. I guess after he got dyno numbers, he offered to 2:1, which it looks like you accepted.

        Maybe JRCART forgot about the 2:1 offer on the C. Click here to enlarge
        Sure seems like he did.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        There is no change. I was told I had no chance with either. I have consistently said I would race either. The change now is that apparently the monetary offer to race the C dropped Click here to enlarge That isn't on me.
        There was never a definitive money race with the C , if you recall I said I might race you with the C for 2 to 1 after I race you with the CLK and the 10 to 1 odds race was only for the CLK and that race offer still stands, minimum of $1000 for you to wager, meaning I win you pay me $1000 you win I pay you $10,000. I am that confident!

        Why would I make stupid bets with my C which was never intended to be a drag car??? If you want to run me in a five lap race at Willow Springs I will give you 20 to 1 odds against the C, you pay double if I can lap you in those five laps.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Well, JRCART never committed to 5:1 on the C, but said he would determine the bet once he got dyno numbers. I guess after he got dyno numbers, he offered to 2:1, which it looks like you accepted.

        Maybe JRCART forgot about the 2:1 offer on the C. Click here to enlarge
        I will give him the 2 to 1 after the CLK race...the entire discussion started with the CLK race, I know exactly what I said and I am not backing down.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Bottom line Sticky said he could hang with the Weistec CLK's, I am giving him crazy odds so if he is so confident he can hang he needs to show up at the drag strip with his car and some cash. I will bring cash.
      1. ecampbell's Avatar
        ecampbell -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        Bottom line Sticky said he could hang with the Weistec CLK's, I am giving him crazy odds so if he is so confident he can hang he needs to show up at the drag strip with his car and some cash. I will bring cash.
        tell joe to bring wine and the women. I seem to remember him Bragg about the vivid girls...don know if he was proud of what had to pay or whether they gave him freebies.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        tell joe to bring wine and the women. I seem to remember him Bragg about the vivid girls...don know if he was proud of what had to pay or whether they gave him freebies.
        The video of the smack down is going to be worth more to me than a measly $1000

        I can not believe the $#@!ing car is not running yet, wtf?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        There was never a definitive money race with the C , if you recall I said I might race you with the C for 2 to 1 after I race you with the CLK and the 10 to 1 odds race was only for the CLK and that race offer still stands, minimum of $1000 for you to wager, meaning I win you pay me $1000 you win I pay you $10,000. I am that confident!

        Why would I make stupid bets with my C which was never intended to be a drag car??? If you want to run me in a five lap race at Willow Springs I will give you 20 to 1 odds against the C, you pay double if I can lap you in those five laps.
        No definitive blah blah. Sounded definitive to me. Don't post if you aren't going to back it. It makes everything you say afterwards just meaningless.

        I don't know why you made stupid bets with your C. You did though.

        Hah you want 20:1 on the roadcourse? Can I hold you to this one? Or does it change when I upgrade my suspension?
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No definitive blah blah. Sounded definitive to me. Don't post if you aren't going to back it. It makes everything you say afterwards just meaningless.

        I don't know why you made stupid bets with your C. You did though.

        Hah you want 20:1 on the roadcourse? Can I hold you to this one? Or does it change when I upgrade my suspension?
        YES 20 TO 1 ON A ROAD COURSE!!! PLEASE HOLD ME TO IT! I AM PRAYING YOU HOLD ME TO IT?


        This just keeps getting better and better. One question, how many years is it going to take to get your suspension upgraded?

        As for your blah blah blah comment, you are the only person with blah blah blah's in this thread....DCT, blah blah blah, sleeved block blah blah blah, flexing block blah, blah, blah, meth injection blah, blah, blah. You car is still not $#@!ing running yet you are running off at the mouth about running me on a road course sometime in the next decade when you find a tuner compitent enoug to bolt on a set of coil overs. Here's an idea for you, first run my $#@!ing CLK like you said you would, then I will give you a stab at the C for 2 to 1 like I said I would then we can head over to the road course where you will be made a serious fool...I have more warm up and cool down laps on road courses than you have laps on a road course.
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JRCART Click here to enlarge
        One question, how many years is it going to take to get your suspension upgraded?
        It'll take as long as it needs to take, duh.
      1. JRCART's Avatar
        JRCART -
        Funny, Gintani has not posted $#@! on Instgram in days..Maybe next week?

        Then we have the Easter weekend excuse, then you will have the engine break in excuse to fall back on, then is there a full moon next week we have to worry about too Sticky? Any shortages of race fuel? Barometric pressure might be a concern as well..........
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        tell joe to bring wine and the women. I seem to remember him Bragg about the vivid girls...don know if he was proud of what had to pay or whether they gave him freebies.
        Try me: