• New BMW 60-130 Record: 5.07 by a twin turbo S54 E46 M3

      We have a new overall 60-130 record for BMW. Mert in his twin turbo E46 M3 has bested the record that was also previously held by a turbocharged E46 M3 running an HPF 2.5 setup. There are a lot of questions about this car but the video speaks volumes. We are also a bit surprised at just how well the power was put down.



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      1. ccsykes's Avatar
        ccsykes -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        If he wants to get integrated back into the BMW community why doesn't he start by returning the money he stole?
        If he stole a bunch of peoples money in the BMW community, had been known to lie in the past and Bimmerboost is now supporting his claim by giving him a headline post.. seems kind of irresponsible to me. For all you guys know the car was built using all these peoples stolen money. I wouldn't give the guy the time of day, but that is just me.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ccsykes Click here to enlarge
        If he stole a bunch of peoples money in the BMW community, had been known to lie in the past and Bimmerboost is now supporting his claim by giving him a headline post.. seems kind of irresponsible to me. For all you guys know the car was built using all these peoples stolen money. I wouldn't give the guy the time of day, but that is just me.
        Point addressed: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...1444#post61444

        A new record is a new record. Yep, done by a crook who we don't like but still have to report it. I also made sure to point out what he is exactly. I can't just pretend like it never happened.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Point addressed: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...1444#post61444

        A new record is a new record. Yep, done by a crook who we don't like but still have to report it. I also made sure to point out what he is exactly. I can't just pretend like it never happened.
        x2 its a new record. and we all know its by a thief.
      1. black bnr32's Avatar
        black bnr32 -
        Some form of traction control maybe?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by black bnr32 Click here to enlarge
        Some form of traction control maybe?
        Possibly, we need more details. If it is a standalone many support such features.
      1. TaZaM3's Avatar
        TaZaM3 -
        I dont think he has traction control enabled, but obviously by the secrecy of the owner, we dont know the facts.

        Another thing i wanted to mention is the dyno sheets above. He used 3rd gear, which is odd and he also used 8f mode on the dynodynamics. That mode is meant for FI cars with 8 cylinders not 6. I dont know enough about dynodynamics but its annoying how you can manipulate numbers, more so then a dynojet.

        Also he definitely changes his turbo's or the numbers don't make sense. The 2 dyno's posted have the worst powerband ive ever seen! They make peak horsepower at over 7500rpm then die off. Before 7000rpm hes not making much hp at all. That is why he connected nitrous and thats why the vbox looks like he used nitrous. Also notice in his 2 videos, the 1st video the car doesnt seem to be making as much power as the 2nd. I know traction will be the excuse but i dont think thats the answer here. The car sounds much different in the 2nd video.
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TaZaM3 Click here to enlarge
        I dont think he has traction control enabled, but obviously by the secrecy of the owner, we dont know the facts.

        Another thing i wanted to mention is the dyno sheets above. He used 3rd gear, which is odd and he also used 8f mode on the dynodynamics. That mode is meant for FI cars with 8 cylinders not 6. I dont know enough about dynodynamics but its annoying how you can manipulate numbers, more so then a dynojet.

        Also he definitely changes his turbo's or the numbers don't make sense. The 2 dyno's posted have the worst powerband ive ever seen! They make peak horsepower at over 7500rpm then die off. Before 7000rpm hes not making much hp at all. That is why he connected nitrous and thats why the vbox looks like he used nitrous. Also notice in his 2 videos, the 1st video the car doesnt seem to be making as much power as the 2nd. I know traction will be the excuse but i dont think thats the answer here. The car sounds much different in the 2nd video.

        i was looking at the graph too. why a third gear pull thats not a real like 1to1 scale of the engine power the gearing is different. idk about the dynodynamics and the changes between the modes..

        the second video did look/ sound crazier like went all out. the first video was soo subtle didnt even seem like a twini turbo car to be having aroung 1000+bhp
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TaZaM3 Click here to enlarge
        Another thing i wanted to mention is the dyno sheets above. He used 3rd gear, which is odd and he also used 8f mode on the dynodynamics. That mode is meant for FI cars with 8 cylinders not 6. I dont know enough about dynodynamics but its annoying how you can manipulate numbers, more so then a dynojet.
        Absolutely, I'm starting to hate that dyno.
      1. TaZaM3's Avatar
        TaZaM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Absolutely, I'm starting to hate that dyno.
        Agreed, you can make it read super low or super high its ridiculous. Also for turbo cars you can even make it spool much differently, again causing more/less power. Just too many conditions that change the power numbers imo.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TaZaM3 Click here to enlarge
        Agreed, you can make it read super low or super high its ridiculous. Also for turbo cars you can even make it spool much differently, again causing more/less power. Just too many conditions that change the power numbers imo.
        Exactly why I prefer dynojets for looking at graphs. If people want to tune on a DD it's fine but you can't do much with the numbers. I don't even like the way their graphs look compared to how dynojet does it.
      1. TaZaM3's Avatar
        TaZaM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Exactly why I prefer dynojets for looking at graphs. If people want to tune on a DD it's fine but you can't do much with the numbers. I don't even like the way their graphs look compared to how dynojet does it.
        Ya for tuning its cool, although I still think you can put too much load on it and tune it, it wont do good on the street.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TaZaM3 Click here to enlarge
        Ya for tuning its cool, although I still think you can put too much load on it and tune it, it wont do good on the street.
        Well of course, but that is why you have a good tuner. The argument can be made it is more difficult to simulate various load on a dynojet so a DD tune should be in theory be better for the street.
      1. MSpiredM3's Avatar
        MSpiredM3 -
        I also don't think he used any kind of traction control, that would only slow you down...
      1. TaZaM3's Avatar
        TaZaM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Well of course, but that is why you have a good tuner. The argument can be made it is more difficult to simulate various load on a dynojet so a DD tune should be in theory be better for the street.
        A good tuner can manipulate it as well, mustang is the way to go for tuning from what ive heard. Dynojets are good as well, never heard of any issues because of load. The rollers are 2500lbs or so.

        The DD puts too much load and i think it simulates beyond street conditions.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TaZaM3 Click here to enlarge
        mustang is the way to go for tuning from what ive heard.
        Eh... I don't know. The mustang would be better than the dynojet but I think the DD is probably the top of the game in this area. That is just what tuners have told me but many have their own dyno preference.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TaZaM3 Click here to enlarge
        The DD puts too much load and i think it simulates beyond street conditions.
        Isn't it adjustable?
      1. TaZaM3's Avatar
        TaZaM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Eh... I don't know. The mustang would be better than the dynojet but I think the DD is probably the top of the game in this area. That is just what tuners have told me but many have their own dyno preference.



        Isn't it adjustable?

        Ya ive heard the same story, some tuners love dynojets...

        Yes its adjustable but Im not sure how you can accurately establish the rates and loads. I dont know enough about it to correctly talk about it... All i know is there are MANY different adjustments.
      1. Funkboy316's Avatar
        Funkboy316 -
        all i can say about it is, when youre going for a vbox record and your car has a race gas map with methanol you use it, if your car has nitrous you spray it. you dont go for a record by leaving power "on the table". now it doesnt take away from the record or make the car any less impressive, but it would be nice to be told the truth about how the power was made.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Funkboy316 Click here to enlarge
        all i can say about it is, when youre going for a vbox record and your car has a race gas map with methanol you use it, if your car has nitrous you spray it. you dont go for a record by leaving power "on the table". now it doesnt take away from the record or make the car any less impressive, but it would be nice to be told the truth about how the power was made.
        As I have said before, the owner can not be trusted based on his past history.

        So, go by the logical assumption that nitrous was used. If nitrous was not used, the burden of proof is on him to show us. Since he has not, I am going to continue to believe nitrous was used until it is proven otherwise.
      1. BattaM3's Avatar
        BattaM3 -
        Having this joke Mert on list makes me
        not even take that serious anymore. I just don't see how you can have a valid time
        with no info on the car. Just doesn't seem right to me. We should have all info so we can all compare setups. Personally I don't Trust this mert guy at all. He would go out of his way to make a bogus vbox time.

        I've been around long enough to know about this JOKER. Same guy who filled his trunk with cement to try and get traction.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BattaM3 Click here to enlarge
        Having this joke Mert on list makes me
        not even take that serious anymore. I just don't see how you can have a valid time
        with no info on the car. Just doesn't seem right to me. We should have all info so we can all compare setups. Personally I don't Trust this mert guy at all. He would go out of his way to make a bogus vbox time.
        This is all true, but he ran the time. What can you do?