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      This 335i looks very healthy based on the video. This is the same 335i many of you know that showed 753 horsepower to the wheels last month and if you doubted that there is some serious power there allow the runs in the video below to alleviate any concerns. The two liter bikes going up against the 335i are a basically stock Honda CBR1000 (with a slip on exhaust) and the camera bike is a modified Yamaha R1.


      The R1 is on E85 fuel. It also has an aftermarket cylinder head, forged pistons, full exhaust, and a tune. The 335i has the following:

      Custom Top Mount 6466 by John Donovan.
      Clutch Masters FX400 6 puc clutch.
      STOCK MOTOR!
      Dual CM10 Meth nossels
      100% meth
      Gulf Mach 116 race fuel
      29 PSI of boost.
      Jb4 g5
      BB Flash

      These are some seriously fast bikes but this is also a seriously fast 335i. It does very well against the bikes dispatching the CBR1000 surprisingly easily and it is the R1 that puts up a very good fight. People will be quick to point out that the quality of the riders makes a big difference and it certainly does. That said, what happens in the video is what happens and we see a high horsepower car running with liter bikes on the highway and even beating them.

      This type of race will usually favor a car as the drag on a bike at higher speeds is greater than the car and it grows geometrically as speeds rise. Yes, cars can bikes can be beat on the highway and this is nothing new.

      The 335i does very well. Great video from BimmerBoost member @aflatau

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Me vs Liter Bikes started by aflatau View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stucks Click here to enlarge
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        From a roll, quarter mile times and 60 foots don't matter. Trap speeds are what matter there.
        How can people not understand that still? Not to mention drag increases on the bikes at higher speeds.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        This 335i looks very healthy based on the video. This is the same 335i many of you know that showed 753 horsepower to the wheels last month and if you doubted that there is some serious power there allow the runs in the video below to alleviate any concerns. The two liter bikes going up against the 335i are a basically stock Honda CBR1000 (with a slip on exhaust) and the camera bike is a modified Yamaha R1.

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        The R1 is on E85 fuel. It also has an aftermarket cylinder head, forged pistons, full exhaust, and a tune. The 335i has the following:

        Custom Top Mount 6466 by John Donovan.
        Clutch Masters FX400 6 puc clutch.
        STOCK MOTOR!
        Dual CM10 Meth nossels
        100% meth
        Gulf Mach 116 race fuel
        29 PSI of boost.
        Jb4 g5
        BB Flash

        These are some seriously fast bikes but this is also a seriously fast 335i. It does very well against the bikes dispatching the CBR1000 surprisingly easily and it is the R1 that puts up a very good fight. People will be quick to point out that the quality of the riders makes a big difference and it certainly does. That said, what happens in the video is what happens and we see a high horsepower car running with liter bikes on the highway and even beating them.

        This type of race will usually favor a car as the drag on a bike at higher speeds is greater than the car and it grows geometrically as speeds rise. Yes, cars can bikes can be beat on the highway and this is nothing new.

        The 335i does very well. Great video from BimmerBoost member @aflatau

      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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        How can people not understand that still? Not to mention drag increases on the bikes at higher speeds.
        No idea. I know a LOT of cars that have beat me from a dig race. From a roll race though....I've put car lengths on them.

        Its like that old supra joke. Whats the difference between a stock turbo supra and a single turbo supra? none they both run 11's lol. On the highway though...everything unchanged....the single turbo has the advantage.
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        Sticky -
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        No idea. I know a LOT of cars that have beat me from a dig race. From a roll race though....I've put car lengths on them.

        Its like that old supra joke. Whats the difference between a stock turbo supra and a single turbo supra? none they both run 11's lol. On the highway though...everything unchanged....the single turbo has the advantage.
        This should be common knowledge on this forum. You don't have to be a 9 second car to run with 9 seconds cars on the highway. Trap speed, trap speed, trap speed, trap speed, trap speed.

        Plus in this case especially aerodynamics.
      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        I think getting a 335i with a single turbo to run decent times is going to be a lot harder than people think. Majority will run the same quarter mile times as stock and rb turbo cars, but trap 500 miles per hour higher lol. This is specifically directed at big single 6at cars. Needs a higher stall to go anywhere without having massive lag delay once leaving the line on the factory stall.
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        Sered -
        $#@!in right! Nice!!!
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        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by aflatau Click here to enlarge
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        R1 for sure, we are gonna re-run this weekend. I am at 7xx wheel.
        Yikes! Don't want to see you on the highway... Pretty much stock M3... Click here to enlarge
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        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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        This should be common knowledge on this forum. You don't have to be a 9 second car to run with 9 seconds cars on the highway. Trap speed, trap speed, trap speed, trap speed, trap speed.

        Plus in this case especially aerodynamics.
        Good point... I never really thought like that. I had a friend with a high 8s car - trapping insane numbers. Point being, it's (was) a drag car - and was made to launch. Totally different from a good handling sedan/coupe that does everything pretty good.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Drag on the bike shouldn't be much higher than on the car - depends on the car/bike in question of course.. but triple the coefficient on the bike is pretty much offset by 1/3 the surface area, as long as the rider is fully tucked in.

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        Good point... I never really thought like that. I had a friend with a high 8s car - trapping insane numbers. Point being, it's (was) a drag car - and was made to launch. Totally different from a good handling sedan/coupe that does everything pretty good.
        yeah you can have some insanely quick cars with low traps, just look at how good the light weight AWD cars do, or even some older mustangs and stuff that trap relatively low but run 9's easily.

        but from a roll... not hard to get a much slower car 'faster'.
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        BuraQ -
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        mjmarovi -
        Good stuff man, had a chance to run any S/C DCT M3's yet?
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        leveraged sellout -
        Wow, this is moving. Great job. Love that it's a sedan too, it's perfect. Sounds like it spools pretty quick too.
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        trickcruiser -
        Very impressive man!!!
        Makes me reconsider wanting to switch to a 997tt...
      1. rawad1017's Avatar
        rawad1017 -
        that the 335i isn't blown away by a modded r1 - dig or roll - is just mental
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        I'm lost here. So what you're saying is this 335 traps deep 140's low 150's which I doubt? That or these riders are completely weak. The R1 rider sucks completely no matter what. I've seen R1's with less work that could easily outrun everything in this video. A true car would need to trap 150's and up in order to compete with liter bikes. Regardless of power, if you trap 150+ you're liter bike territory. Good rider, $#@!ty rider, it does not matter.
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        Sticky -
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        I'm lost here. So what you're saying is this 335 traps deep 140's low 150's which I doubt?
        No it doesn't but a bike isn't going to benefit from its power to weight above 100 mph as much as it does from under that speed due to the drag from the air. So even though the bike traps high its performance drops off as speed rises to a greater degree than a car which is more aerodynamic.

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        That or these riders are completely weak. The R1 rider sucks completely no matter what.
        What happened, happened. People are always making some kind of excuse.
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        rawad1017 -
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        No it doesn't but a bike isn't going to benefit from its power to weight above 100 mph as much as it does from under that speed due to the drag from the air. So even though the bike traps high its performance drops off as speed rises to a greater degree than a car which is more aerodynamic.
        yeah i know first hand how much drag bikes get on the freeway. plus you can see the r1 rider in this race really workin it lol and it was probably windy outside, that makes a gigantic difference
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        xbox_fan -
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        Drag on the bike shouldn't be much higher than on the car - depends on the car/bike in question of course.. but triple the coefficient on the bike is pretty much offset by 1/3 the surface area, as long as the rider is fully tucked in.



        yeah you can have some insanely quick cars with low traps, just look at how good the light weight AWD cars do, or even some older mustangs and stuff that trap relatively low but run 9's easily.

        but from a roll... not hard to get a much slower car 'faster'.
        According to http://www.schultzengineering.us/aero.htm drag coefficient on a modern bike is 0.6 and for a BMW coupe around 0.28+0.3 so there is a huge disadvantage for the bike at speeds.
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        I'm lost here. So what you're saying is this 335 traps deep 140's low 150's which I doubt? That or these riders are completely weak. The R1 rider sucks completely no matter what. I've seen R1's with less work that could easily outrun everything in this video. A true car would need to trap 150's and up in order to compete with liter bikes. Regardless of power, if you trap 150+ you're liter bike territory. Good rider, $#@!ty rider, it does not matter.
        +1, also bikes are much harder to launch in 1/4 mile and like roll racing better, their 1/4 times are deceptively slow as a result compared to HP/weight. Now over longer distances and say above 1/4 mile trap speed, aero drag will slowly begin to favor the car. This is more like what usually happens Veryon vs s1000rr

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        StinkyM -
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        No it doesn't but a bike isn't going to benefit from its power to weight above 100 mph as much as it does from under that speed due to the drag from the air. So even though the bike traps high its performance drops off as speed rises to a greater degree than a car which is more aerodynamic.



        What happened, happened. People are always making some kind of excuse.
        regardless of drag a liter bike pulls hard as hell. Believe me when I say it takes a good 150+ mph trap car to take down a bolt on liter bike in a roll race. I recently ran a gt 500, built with a tvs, and he and I were even, or would have been had some issues not occurred. His car made 897 last week on a dyno jet in shoot out. A well ridden liter bikes moves beyond some peoples imagination. I ran an ess 625 car and gave him the hit the other day and just utterly smashed on him. He trapped 129. My bike will pull it's ass off until 175-180 and then the speed slowly tapers off until 192-193 where it's not moving any faster.