• ESS supercharged E90 M3 vs. Kenne Bell Gt500

      ESS VT2-600 Supercharged M3 takes on a Kenne Bell Mustang GT500. The M3 owner claims the car is putting out well over 500 whp, clearly, it isn't.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS SC E90 M3 vs. KB Gt500 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E46rage Click here to enlarge
        Reality mustang gt500 are $#@! in my point of view I've never liked mustangs at ALL !


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        No worries, everyone has their own view on them.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E46rage Click here to enlarge
        Reality mustang gt500 are $#@! in my point of view I've never liked mustangs at ALL !


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        and that $#@! just smoked an s/c s65, sooo... to each their own Click here to enlarge
      1. boost4u's Avatar
        boost4u -
        I live in Columbus, Ohio for the record. Both are awesome rides with different purposes. In a straightline drag race, the KB Shelby will demoralize a Blown M3 until the first turnClick here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by boost4u Click here to enlarge
        I live in Columbus, Ohio for the record. Both are awesome rides with different purposes. In a straightline drag race, the KB Shelby will demoralize a Blown M3 until the first turnClick here to enlarge
        It depends what blown BMW, but, for the most part this is very true.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It depends what blown BMW, but, for the most part this is very true.
        until proven otherwise, it is 100% fact Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        until proven otherwise, it is 100% fact Click here to enlarge
        It is proven otherwise, sub 600 whp blown M3's are trapping 130-131. 700+ whp KB Cobras are trapping ~134. KB cobras range from low 600's to 8xx (9xx as well?).

        You should be able to figure this out. If stock internal SC M3's on pump gas are a good run, what will built motor SC m3's be? Here is a hint, they won't be slower.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        its very easy, show me a s/c S65 m beating a KB Cobra Click here to enlarge heres a hint, i cant find any evidence of that ever taking place
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        its very easy, show me a s/c S65 m beating a KB Cobra Click here to enlarge heres a hint, i cant find any evidence of that ever taking place
        Good point, very odd that is the case with how long the S65 has been out and all that development time. Considering we have so many SC S65's to choose from it really is odd we don't have more videos of runs.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Good point, very odd that is the case with how long the S65 has been out and all that development time. Considering we have so many SC S65's to choose from it really is odd we don't have more videos of runs.
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        until proven otherwise, it is 100% fact Click here to enlarge
        ^
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        ^
        I think you are capable of thinking for yourself. If everything for you is decided by videos, I'm not sure what to say.
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        LOL lostmarine seems to assume alot. So how about those runs that were supposed to happen ?
      1. MSpiredM3's Avatar
        MSpiredM3 -
        FIND ME A KB COBRA TO RUN!
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
        FIND ME A KB COBRA TO RUN!
        thats the attitude!! Click here to enlarge

        im not assuming if its a fact, prove me wrong. ricer math doesnt cut it
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        thats the attitude!! Click here to enlarge

        im not assuming if its a fact, prove me wrong. ricer math doesnt cut it
        How is ricer math saying a KB cobra and a SC DCT M3 is a good run? Considering there are lower power KB's and higher power KB's the one in this video here would be a good run for an M3 that was trapping 130 or 131 on the old intake design that was robbing power. That is hardly ricer math.
      1. DLSJ5's Avatar
        DLSJ5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        thats the attitude!! Click here to enlarge

        im not assuming if its a fact, prove me wrong. ricer math doesnt cut it
        60-130MPH, 3 Supercharged E9X M3's are faster than a KB 750whp GT500, I'd say that's more than enough to say it would be close, 1/4 ET's are mostly do to the launch, cleary the GT500 will demoralize a FI E9x in that department, lol, but that soon will change.

        Gpower Built Motor 6.36s
        ESS 5.5psi/Nitrous 7.05s
        Gintani Stg 2+ 7.19s
        GT500 KB -750WHP 7.75s
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It is proven otherwise, sub 600 whp blown M3's are trapping 130-131. 700+ whp KB Cobras are trapping ~134. KB cobras range from low 600's to 8xx (9xx as well?). You should be able to figure this out. If stock internal SC M3's on pump gas are a good run, what will built motor SC m3's be? Here is a hint, they won't be slower.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How is ricer math saying a KB cobra and a SC DCT M3 is a good run? Considering there are lower power KB's and higher power KB's the one this video here would be a good run for an M3 that was trapping 130 or 131 on the old intake design that was robbing power. That is hardly ricer math.
        saying a good run is one thing. ASSUMING something, unproven, based on #'s from previous and different platforms, is what, i believe, that the rest of the intrewebz autoracing community, calls ricer math Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DLSJ5 Click here to enlarge
        60-130MPH, 3 Supercharged E9X M3's are faster than a KB 750whp GT500, I'd say that's more than enough to say it would be close, 1/4 ET's are mostly do to the launch, cleary the GT500 will demoralize a FI E9x in that department, lol, but that soon will change.

        Gpower Built Motor 6.36s
        ESS 5.5psi/Nitrous 7.05s
        Gintani Stg 2+ 7.19s
        GT500 KB -750WHP 7.75s
        those specific #'s, speak well for your cause, but what are the specs on that ONE KB cobra, do we know him, what his car actually has, weight fuel etc. and is ONE car representative for the entire community, or is that a GREAT run for that individual car, or a HORRIBLE run for that individual car..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        saying a good run is one thing. ASSUMING something, unproven, based on #'s from previous and different platforms, is what, i believe, that the rest of the intrewebz autoracing community, calls ricer math Click here to enlarge
        Check the post above yours to see that ricer math isn't at work here, real numbers are.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Check the post above yours to see that ricer math isn't at work here, real numbers are.
        ditto
      1. DLSJ5's Avatar
        DLSJ5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        those specific #'s, speak well for your cause, but what are the specs on that ONE KB cobra, do we know him, what his car actually has, weight fuel etc. and is ONE car representative for the entire community, or is that a GREAT run for that individual car, or a HORRIBLE run for that individual car..
        My cause? Lmao, no cause Bro, just using performance information that is the standard most enthusiasts use if you want to compare cars on paper. I don't know the owner personally but a friend of mine does, he was there the day the car put down 750whp on the dyno, the car has a "mammoth" KB charger, cams as well.

        I don't know for a fact who's faster but Vbox #'s are a good start, and from what I've seen pretty accurate, to give you an idea of how much HP those heavy GT500's need to move, here's a vid of a 620-640whp KB Gt500 against a bolt on 500whp C6 Z06.



      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        i dont see a FI s65 in those vids, so A beats B, B beats C, D beats A, and C beats D, does than mean C beats all? no..