• ESS is attempting to back out of the dyno event they themselves requested?


      Roman at ESS is now attempting to back out of the tuner dyno day shootout. I would like to remind everyone, ESS requested this dyno comparison themselves and asked BimmerBoost to schedule it. Now that the date is nearing, ESS is going back on their word at the last minute

      I received this e-mail from Roman:

      Quote Originally Posted by Roman
      Joseph / Sticky

      I have been well aware of your communication with AJ in regards to your dyno event. I have also seen your post on mfest where you accuse AJ of agreeing to attend your scheduled event. I find it odd that you would schedule an event like this without any confirmation from AJ that he could attend due to his current work in Europe . The following email responses from AJ to your request seem to be very clear that he wanted to attend your event but could not commit to your dates and that he would follow up with you when he could. I have seen the emails and I do not see the one where you gave AJ a date and he agreed to be there.


      "Hi Joseph,

      I am currently back in Europe putting the finishing touches on our soon to be released V10 SC system, I have not confirmed return flight to the US yet as that depends on when development here is finished. I hope to be back mid-late August, is there any chance the event can be planned after that? If not I will look into flying out there from Europe if time allows it."


      "Joseph,

      I am not quite sure yet as my return depends on completion of the MSS65 SC work. I will keep you posted as soon as I know.

      I think the 14th may be to soon as we are doing a airfield event here in Scandinavia with the E60 M5 SC that weekend."


      I believe AJ has been very cordial in answering your questions and sending you dyno info at your request. He has also been very open with wanting to help you put together a dyno event to prove to you and the other doubters in your camp how our products perform. During this time you have continued to make untrue statements about our company in an attempt to promote the vendors that sponsor your car and your website. The most recent is the post you made on e90post in regards to our NA software. You continue to say one thing to us and do another on the forums. You might feel that because you make anonymous accounts on these forums you can hide your ID from others while taking your usual shots at our company but you and I both know the truth.


      Do to your continued actions I feel that it is best if we terminate communications with you as you seem to have a very obvious motive when it comes to our company and the products we make.

      .
      Roman Zepeda
      ESS Performance Products
      E-Mail : roman@esstuning.com
      Web : www.esstuning.com
      Tel : (602)751-0571
      This was my response:

      Quote Originally Posted by Sticky
      First of all Roman, I never asked to schedule an event. Asbjorn made the request to me on the 11th of May for a dyno comparison this summer:

      "On another note, would you guys be up for a friendly dyno shootout in CA this summer? We would be glad to bring out a few cars for some comparisons under identical conditions. I would also like to meet some of you guys in person to talk about various things you have questions about as I feel this internet hostility serves no purpose. We have absolutely nothing to hide, and I would like to prove it to you.

      Regards,

      Asbjorn"

      I told him I would schedule the event:

      "Absolutely, I would be more than happy to host a dyno shootout. I have been trying to get this done for some time but no one has been willing to agree. Of course the internet hostility serves no purpose and my desire was to point out legitimate questions but then everyone starts fighting with personal politics on the other boards. "

      This was the response from Asbjorn:

      "It would be a lot of fun doing some friendly comparo's and posting the results! :-)"

      At no point am I told not to go forward with this. ESS suggested this themselves and said it would be fun, so I did what was requested of me to accommodate ESS. I scheduled the event for late-July since ESS said "summer" and gave no specific date. Well, late July apparently did not work as per Asbjorn being in Europe. Despite that, he says he will fly out if necessary:

      "I am currently back in Europe putting the finishing touches on our soon to be released V10 SC system, I have not confirmed return flight to the US yet as that depends on when development here is finished. I hope to be back mid-late August, is there any chance the event can be planned after that? If not I will look into flying out there from Europe if time allows it."

      I reschedule the event to accommodate ESS and update Asbjorn on that. At no point am I told he can not make it. He says he will be back mid-August, I make it late August as he REQUESTED the event to be rescheduled which is confirmation of attendance. ESS suggested the event, suggested the time frame, and suggested it be organized. I have complied in every possible respect. I have spent considerable time and money making this happen as requested. I'm not sure what else you could possibly want of me, I have gone above and beyond fulfilling your demands for a dyno day with a dynojet, boost logging, and dates in the most professional and respectful manner possible.

      I do not post on e90post, so you have me confused with someone else. Secondly, I am not in any camp. As a matter of fact, I have contacted ESS from the very earliest days requesting products for my car only to be rebuked and not followed up with.

      Asbjorn has agreed in principle to attend and suggested the event himself which I complied with. It seems now that the date is coming close you are attempting to back out. I will hold ESS accountable for the time and cost. Many companies have arranged their schedules around this event and you have led me on for almost 4 months now. If you would like to terminate the event, I will accept reimbursement for all the accrued time, fees, and potential lost revenue.

      Remember, ESS made the request for the event, confirmed, and asked for a reschedule. The entire point of the event was to alleviate any doubts so what motives do I have? To actually have a real third party comparison with all the tuners in one place? The product is supposed to speak for itself but you are not letting it. What was the point of all that talk when you requested a dyno challenge with Powerchip? Well, you have it, why are you not keeping your word? This is not professional behavior in the slightest. I hope this is simply a misunderstanding that we can work out and I would like to make it clear I fully have the best of intentions. That would also be why I even offered accommodations for Asbjorn at my expense. I hope we can work this out and I look forward to ESS honoring its word.

      - Joseph - BimmerBoost.com
      We have over a half dozen companies waiting on ESS. BMS has agreed and has been patiently waiting. MHP agreed although the date change now inconvenience them. Gintani agreed and said they would accept the date change for ESS. OE Tuning agreed and said they accept the date change to wait for ESS. Powerchip said they do not mind the date change and look forward to it. Vishnu has agreed in proxy and we also have GIAC representation. G-power is ready with their supercharger representation.

      BimmerBoost has worked tirelessly to make this event happen at substantial cost as any of these companies can attest. We have been on the phones and e-mailing back and forth for what is almost 4 months now.

      ESS requested this event, led everyone on, and now is backing down from their own challenge. BimmerBoost has considerable cost tied to the event and will not simply let it go. DC Performance has a large amount of revenue dependent on the event. Literally dozens of people, companies will be hurt financially and inconvenienced by ESS not honoring its own request.

      We would like the BMW community to encourage ESS to participate as they had agreed, please contact Roman and make it known you would like to see the event take place as planned:

      Roman Zepeda
      ESS Performance Products
      E-Mail : roman@esstuning.com
      Web : www.esstuning.com
      Tel : (602)751-057
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      Comments 167 Comments
      1. ScrotieMcBoogerBalls's Avatar
        ScrotieMcBoogerBalls -
        Sticky,
        When is the date going to be?
        JE has a drift event in Cali, I was thinking of coming.
        Chat me in a bit, my DD is $#@!ed :-(
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
        Sticky,
        When is the date going to be?
        JE has a drift event in Cali, I was thinking of coming.
        Chat me in a bit, my DD is $#@!ed :-(
        I was just about to leave, I'm going to be back in a little bit.

        When is the drift event? I'll work with you on the date.
      1. 0-60Motorsports's Avatar
        0-60Motorsports -
        I wish I could fly my car over for this! This event will be awesome!
      1. Yukohama's Avatar
        Yukohama -
        ooo i hope i can attend then seeing as school would have started then
      1. BrenM3's Avatar
        BrenM3 -
        they straight up said they wouldnt attend due to your affiliation - what makes you think they are going to budge on a alternate date. Seems like they are playing with you.
      1. ScrotieMcBoogerBalls's Avatar
        ScrotieMcBoogerBalls -
        Sticky,
        Hello good sir.
        What are the possible dates for this dyno shout out?
        Maybe bring the Single Turbo and reveal it at this event officially.
        Let me know, brother.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BrenM3 Click here to enlarge
        they straight up said they wouldnt attend due to your affiliation - what makes you think they are going to budge on a alternate date. Seems like they are playing with you.
        They won't, but I want to show everyone I did everything I could to accommodate them. So the only thing that stopped them from doing what they said they would is their own lack of integrity.

        I just don't understand how they can blatantly lie to people like that, it just looks so bad.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
        Sticky,
        Hello good sir.
        What are the possible dates for this dyno shout out?
        Maybe bring the Single Turbo and reveal it at this event officially.
        Let me know, brother.
        Well Gintani gave me a sort of roundabout figure of October for their open house. We could do a sort of tuning/dyno extravaganza with BimmerBoost covering the event for everyone.

        When would your car be available?
      1. ScrotieMcBoogerBalls's Avatar
        ScrotieMcBoogerBalls -
        If we are talking October, my car certainly be ready. It will be ready this month, actually.
      1. BzzzBom's Avatar
        BzzzBom -
        Keep the scheculed date or this whole thing will start looking like a joke. I can't speak for the other forum members but I work 60 hours per week and have already tweaked my work schedule (twice) so I could be at the event with my GIAC tuned car. If you change the date a third time due to ESS it starts to look like you're part of the ESS crew. It is not appropriate to screw many loyal forum members to suck up to one vendor. I may be old school but I am punctual, honest, and keep my committments. ESS can go...F#*@.....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BzzzBom Click here to enlarge
        Keep the scheculed date or this whole thing will start looking like a joke. I can't speak for the other forum members but I work 60 hours per week and have already tweaked my work schedule (twice) so I could be at the event with my GIAC tuned car. If you change the date a third time due to ESS it starts to look like you're part of the ESS crew. It is not appropriate to screw many loyal forum members to suck up to one vendor. I may be old school but I am punctual, honest, and keep my committments. ESS can go...F#*@.....
        I am not part of the ESS crew, that part is obvious.

        Look, just give me a chance to get some guys with ESS cars to attend. If I can do that, who cares if they come or not? The event is obviously being rescheduled as it needs to be, without the full spectrum of cars it is not the event I promised so what about that aspect?

        I'm not screwing anyone by doing this and paying for it. We are talking about an event costing thousands of dollars here, I want to get the most for my money.
      1. ScrotieMcBoogerBalls's Avatar
        ScrotieMcBoogerBalls -
        Good point Sticky.
      1. BzzzBom's Avatar
        BzzzBom -
        Sticky,
        I didn't realize that you are paying for the event. Please consider charging each attendee a nominal fee such as $50 - $75 to help defray your cost. Let me know how much I owe.
        Thanks,
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BzzzBom Click here to enlarge
        Sticky,
        I didn't realize that you are paying for the event. Please consider charging each attendee a nominal fee such as $50 - $75 to help defray your cost. Let me know how much I owe.
        Thanks,
        Click here to enlarge
        I will definitely be doing that Click here to enlarge

        Look, this will all work out for the best and the enthusiasts will get what they wanted and everyone will go home happy. My goal was to provide everyone the best event possible and I thought I had that. ESS backing out at the last minute just makes things a little more difficult, that is all. It will be fun, we'll get magazine coverage, and even more people will come out. I keep my word and there will be no more date changes once it is set as we won't be trying to accommodate anyone.
      1. BzzzBom's Avatar
        BzzzBom -
        I wish GIAC would attend or at least RSVP. I have and love the GIAC tune but their customer service is not great.
      1. ScrotieMcBoogerBalls's Avatar
        ScrotieMcBoogerBalls -
        I will be attending. We gotta got some good drag races going.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
        I will be attending. We gotta got some good drag races going.
        Dyno day unfor, no drag racing Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BzzzBom Click here to enlarge
        I wish GIAC would attend or at least RSVP. I have and love the GIAC tune but their customer service is not great.
        I would agree with this.
      1. Ronin's Avatar
        Ronin -
        Jesus Christ...October now? Well, I suppose that provides more time all around.

        Maybe some other vendors will remove their heads from their asses. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ronin Click here to enlarge
        Jesus Christ...October now? Well, I suppose that provides more time all around.

        Maybe some other vendors will remove their heads from their asses. Click here to enlarge
        I'm sorry Ronin Click here to enlarge

        Just wanted to thank you for all your help and this should work out for the best.