• ESS is attempting to back out of the dyno event they themselves requested?


      Roman at ESS is now attempting to back out of the tuner dyno day shootout. I would like to remind everyone, ESS requested this dyno comparison themselves and asked BimmerBoost to schedule it. Now that the date is nearing, ESS is going back on their word at the last minute

      I received this e-mail from Roman:

      Quote Originally Posted by Roman
      Joseph / Sticky

      I have been well aware of your communication with AJ in regards to your dyno event. I have also seen your post on mfest where you accuse AJ of agreeing to attend your scheduled event. I find it odd that you would schedule an event like this without any confirmation from AJ that he could attend due to his current work in Europe . The following email responses from AJ to your request seem to be very clear that he wanted to attend your event but could not commit to your dates and that he would follow up with you when he could. I have seen the emails and I do not see the one where you gave AJ a date and he agreed to be there.


      "Hi Joseph,

      I am currently back in Europe putting the finishing touches on our soon to be released V10 SC system, I have not confirmed return flight to the US yet as that depends on when development here is finished. I hope to be back mid-late August, is there any chance the event can be planned after that? If not I will look into flying out there from Europe if time allows it."


      "Joseph,

      I am not quite sure yet as my return depends on completion of the MSS65 SC work. I will keep you posted as soon as I know.

      I think the 14th may be to soon as we are doing a airfield event here in Scandinavia with the E60 M5 SC that weekend."


      I believe AJ has been very cordial in answering your questions and sending you dyno info at your request. He has also been very open with wanting to help you put together a dyno event to prove to you and the other doubters in your camp how our products perform. During this time you have continued to make untrue statements about our company in an attempt to promote the vendors that sponsor your car and your website. The most recent is the post you made on e90post in regards to our NA software. You continue to say one thing to us and do another on the forums. You might feel that because you make anonymous accounts on these forums you can hide your ID from others while taking your usual shots at our company but you and I both know the truth.


      Do to your continued actions I feel that it is best if we terminate communications with you as you seem to have a very obvious motive when it comes to our company and the products we make.

      .
      Roman Zepeda
      ESS Performance Products
      E-Mail : roman@esstuning.com
      Web : www.esstuning.com
      Tel : (602)751-0571
      This was my response:

      Quote Originally Posted by Sticky
      First of all Roman, I never asked to schedule an event. Asbjorn made the request to me on the 11th of May for a dyno comparison this summer:

      "On another note, would you guys be up for a friendly dyno shootout in CA this summer? We would be glad to bring out a few cars for some comparisons under identical conditions. I would also like to meet some of you guys in person to talk about various things you have questions about as I feel this internet hostility serves no purpose. We have absolutely nothing to hide, and I would like to prove it to you.

      Regards,

      Asbjorn"

      I told him I would schedule the event:

      "Absolutely, I would be more than happy to host a dyno shootout. I have been trying to get this done for some time but no one has been willing to agree. Of course the internet hostility serves no purpose and my desire was to point out legitimate questions but then everyone starts fighting with personal politics on the other boards. "

      This was the response from Asbjorn:

      "It would be a lot of fun doing some friendly comparo's and posting the results! :-)"

      At no point am I told not to go forward with this. ESS suggested this themselves and said it would be fun, so I did what was requested of me to accommodate ESS. I scheduled the event for late-July since ESS said "summer" and gave no specific date. Well, late July apparently did not work as per Asbjorn being in Europe. Despite that, he says he will fly out if necessary:

      "I am currently back in Europe putting the finishing touches on our soon to be released V10 SC system, I have not confirmed return flight to the US yet as that depends on when development here is finished. I hope to be back mid-late August, is there any chance the event can be planned after that? If not I will look into flying out there from Europe if time allows it."

      I reschedule the event to accommodate ESS and update Asbjorn on that. At no point am I told he can not make it. He says he will be back mid-August, I make it late August as he REQUESTED the event to be rescheduled which is confirmation of attendance. ESS suggested the event, suggested the time frame, and suggested it be organized. I have complied in every possible respect. I have spent considerable time and money making this happen as requested. I'm not sure what else you could possibly want of me, I have gone above and beyond fulfilling your demands for a dyno day with a dynojet, boost logging, and dates in the most professional and respectful manner possible.

      I do not post on e90post, so you have me confused with someone else. Secondly, I am not in any camp. As a matter of fact, I have contacted ESS from the very earliest days requesting products for my car only to be rebuked and not followed up with.

      Asbjorn has agreed in principle to attend and suggested the event himself which I complied with. It seems now that the date is coming close you are attempting to back out. I will hold ESS accountable for the time and cost. Many companies have arranged their schedules around this event and you have led me on for almost 4 months now. If you would like to terminate the event, I will accept reimbursement for all the accrued time, fees, and potential lost revenue.

      Remember, ESS made the request for the event, confirmed, and asked for a reschedule. The entire point of the event was to alleviate any doubts so what motives do I have? To actually have a real third party comparison with all the tuners in one place? The product is supposed to speak for itself but you are not letting it. What was the point of all that talk when you requested a dyno challenge with Powerchip? Well, you have it, why are you not keeping your word? This is not professional behavior in the slightest. I hope this is simply a misunderstanding that we can work out and I would like to make it clear I fully have the best of intentions. That would also be why I even offered accommodations for Asbjorn at my expense. I hope we can work this out and I look forward to ESS honoring its word.

      - Joseph - BimmerBoost.com
      We have over a half dozen companies waiting on ESS. BMS has agreed and has been patiently waiting. MHP agreed although the date change now inconvenience them. Gintani agreed and said they would accept the date change for ESS. OE Tuning agreed and said they accept the date change to wait for ESS. Powerchip said they do not mind the date change and look forward to it. Vishnu has agreed in proxy and we also have GIAC representation. G-power is ready with their supercharger representation.

      BimmerBoost has worked tirelessly to make this event happen at substantial cost as any of these companies can attest. We have been on the phones and e-mailing back and forth for what is almost 4 months now.

      ESS requested this event, led everyone on, and now is backing down from their own challenge. BimmerBoost has considerable cost tied to the event and will not simply let it go. DC Performance has a large amount of revenue dependent on the event. Literally dozens of people, companies will be hurt financially and inconvenienced by ESS not honoring its own request.

      We would like the BMW community to encourage ESS to participate as they had agreed, please contact Roman and make it known you would like to see the event take place as planned:

      Roman Zepeda
      ESS Performance Products
      E-Mail : roman@esstuning.com
      Web : www.esstuning.com
      Tel : (602)751-057
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      Comments 167 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        I can't believe ESS is behaving like this,

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ok, I understand you are busy no need to confirm the exactly date yet. But you do agree to a friendly dyno comparison? Your E92 M3 tune vs. others, Your SC vs. others, and how about your N54 tune as well?

        - Joseph
        From: Asbjorn Bohn <asbjorn@esstuning.com>
        To: administrator@bimmerboost.com
        Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 1:13:50 AM
        Subject: Re: Dyno graphs

        Absolutely! We have been wanting to do this since day 1, fair and independent comparisons is what the public needs. This way we know exactly what is what under the exact same conditions. Do you have a dyno facility in mind that could work? We prefer DynoJet as neither dyno or drf files can be manipulated if that is cool with you? We also have to rig up some sort of fuel extraction system so we can empty and refill cars from the same pump before testing to eliminate octane variables. Boost logging is also a must imo.

        -Asbjorn Bohn
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Asbjorn, it took a while but I finally got everyone together and got a venue with a dynojet for the dyno comparison as you requested Click here to enlarge I have even taken the liberty of arranging accommodations free of charge for you. You do not need to use them of course if you have your own desired accommodations, just providing them as a common courtesy since you are from out of state. Feel free to look over the details here and I have you tuning on every platform we will feature except for the diesel. If you wish to tune the diesel as well, let me know: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...2485#post32485

        Thank you once again for suggesting this as well as stating you have been wanting to to this since day one. I agree with you, this is exactly what the public needs and I look forward to meeting you!

        - Joseph - BimmerBoost.com
      1. ScrotieMcBoogerBalls's Avatar
        ScrotieMcBoogerBalls -
        Sticky,
        who cares about ess. If they dont want to participate, $#@! em. Stop trying to accomodate them. Its their loss.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by unfor Click here to enlarge
        Sticky,
        who cares about ess. If they dont want to participate, $#@! em. Stop trying to accomodate them. Its their loss.
        They have cost me time, money, and potential revenue, so if they will not honor their word I will be forced to have to seek compensation.

        I want to make it clear to everyone I have done everything in my power to facilitate them and I am still trying to. It seems they never had any intention of honoring their word.
      1. GG///M3's Avatar
        GG///M3 -
        I hope they change their minds.
      1. BzzzBom's Avatar
        BzzzBom -
        I have been following all the emails. I am planning on coming to the event. If ESS backs out I suggest we trash them on all BMW forums, report them to the BBB, etc. I may be old school but when I commit to something that other people are counting on, I don't back out unless there is a good reason such as illness.
      1. Monster135's Avatar
        Monster135 -
        It's funny how people on the MFest boards who have their own agenda accuse you of trying to throw ESS under the bus Click here to enlarge
      1. greatest335i's Avatar
        greatest335i -
        omg sticky at it again lol... getting hate everywhere !!!
      1. Ronin's Avatar
        Ronin -
        It's hard to dispute hard facts. The emails are pretty clear about where ESS stood before, back in May. Sticky acted on those conversations, and did a bang up job of collecting all of the respective tuners to have a proper shootout (and representation for those companies that couldn't make it).

        The more I see the associations that some of the vendors have with/against each other, the more it irritates the living hell out of me.

        Hide behind whatever you want, but facts are facts. Man up or walk away crying.
      1. MSpiredM3's Avatar
        MSpiredM3 -
        If ESS doesn't do what's right and show up, you KNOW I will NEVER let them or anyone forget how big ESS' vagine is.
      1. fundahl's Avatar
        fundahl -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
        If ESS doesn't do what's right and show up, you KNOW I will NEVER let them or anyone forget how big ESS' vagine is.
        And NOBODY likes a big vagina (over a smaller one)! (_(l)_) > (_( l )_)
      1. 808E90's Avatar
        808E90 -
        I wonder how long it would take to send my car up there?
      1. xxe92xx's Avatar
        xxe92xx -
        if everyone else is attending why cant they? weak ass product, childish company
      1. ersin's Avatar
        ersin -
        I was hoping they were going to come to the event and maybe get some goodwill going. Oh well. Action speaks louder than words.

        I actually think they have some good products. There's no need for this kind of drama.
      1. xxe92xx's Avatar
        xxe92xx -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ersin Click here to enlarge
        I was hoping they were going to come to the event and maybe get some goodwill going. Oh well. Action speaks louder than words.

        I actually think they have some good products. There's no need for this kind of drama.
        good product? if someone just entered the S65 tuning world, all they would see is the dyno manipulating, falsely promised numbers, and just a shady company in general
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        ESS just seems to carry this attitude like their $#@! don't stink and that no one else can tune like that can and that every other company should bow down. Which is funny cause they haven't earned that reputation no matter how many people bought their kits.
      1. JonMartin's Avatar
        JonMartin -
        In case it gets deleted I responded to Roman on Mfest:

        Originally Posted by Rom3n Click here to enlarge
        AJ agreed to attend an unbiast dyno event. Sticky has shown by his continued negative attacks aginst us that he cannot be trusted to host such an event. If a true independent 3rd party would like to host such an event we would be glad to attend after AJ return from Europe in mid to late September. I would suggest a host like Mfest.

        On another note Mspired I find it odd that you continue to talk bad about ESS on various forums. You have never owned one of our products and you have 0 expierence with our tuning but you somehow seem to be an expert on our products and how they perform. If I remember correctly you contacted me asking for our help after you blew your motor Click here to enlarge I guess you are just along for the ride with your friends then ?
        Weak excuse imo. Sticky isn't going to be operating the equipment so what do you care if he organized it or not? Besides if that was a problem you should have stated that from the very beginning not that last minute its not like he just now got his Gintani kit so get real. Besides how would that possibly affect the outcome if he has no control of the testing equipment? It wouldn't make a difference if he did it or I did it or mike did it or you did it so I don't get where you're coming from sorry. Quit acting like ESS's $#@! don't stink and get out there and do your thing or get ran the $#@! over by the competition its real simple.
      1. MSpiredM3's Avatar
        MSpiredM3 -
        As did I

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Rom3n Click here to enlarge
        AJ agreed to attend an unbiast dyno event. Sticky has shown by his continued negative attacks aginst us that he cannot be trusted to host such an event. If a true independent 3rd party would like to host such an event we would be glad to attend after AJ return from Europe in mid to late September. I would suggest a host like Mfest.

        On another note Mspired I find it odd that you continue to talk bad about ESS on various forums. You have never owned one of our products and you have 0 expierence with our tuning but you somehow seem to be an expert on our products and how they perform. If I remember correctly you contacted me asking for our help after you blew your motor Click here to enlarge I guess you are just along for the ride with your friends then ?
        What is biased about this event? You are getting everything AJ asked for. Everything will be documented and there will be witnesses. You KNOW it will be fair, you are just using that as an excuse cause it's all you got to use to back out and run away.

        I talk bad about ESS because of actions JUST LIKE THIS along with manipulating dyno's, lying, ect ect. I have given praise to your products in certain places, but your business practices, well, your actions in this case are a prime example of your used car sales man approach and tactics.

        I contacted you guys for certain hardware considerations, does that mean I think you guys are great? :stop:
      1. xxe92xx's Avatar
        xxe92xx -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSpiredM3 Click here to enlarge
        As did I

        What is biased about this event? You are getting everything AJ asked for. Everything will be documented and there will be witnesses. You KNOW it will be fair, you are just using that as an excuse cause it's all you got to use to back out and run away.

        I talk bad about ESS because of actions JUST LIKE THIS along with manipulating dyno's, lying, ect ect. I have given praise to your products in certain places, but your business practices, well, your actions in this case are a prime example of your used car sales man approach and tactics.

        I contacted you guys for certain hardware considerations, does that mean I think you guys are great? :stop:
        its ok man he cant read your responses lol
      1. MSpiredM3's Avatar
        MSpiredM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by xxe92xx Click here to enlarge
        its ok man he cant read your responses lol
        What you mean?
      1. TaZaM3's Avatar
        TaZaM3 -
        HAHAHAH Classic ESS manipulation. When will it stop?