• ESS Tuning VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 versus Evolve Automotive E600 supercharged E92 M3

      The reality is performance between supercharger kits on the E9X M3 S65 V8 with stock internals is all going to be relatively close. The differentiating factors are going to be the pulley and boost, tuning, fuel, transmission, etc. The Vortech based kits like the ESS VT2 car here will all hit relatively similar peak numbers. The main difference the Evolve kit offers is a Rotrex based supercharger kit which gives a different torque curve that is definitely a bit fatter in the mid range.


      So how do the two stack up in the real world? From a 45 mile per hour roll the Evolve kit hit a peak speed of 136.52 miles per hour and the ESS VT2-625 kit hit 133.92. Close, but 2.6 miles per hour is 2.6 miles per hour so the Evolve kit edges out the ESS kit up top. Now, with a pulley swap certainly the ESS kit could change the outcome here. Then the same goes for the Evolve kit also changing the pulley used for some more boost. Make of that back and forth what you will.

      It would have been nice to see these two cars run from a stop as they are on a drag strip. Why that race did not take place so we could see a timeslip providing more data than just a peak velocity BimmerBoost does not know. Both cars are DCT models. Enjoy the video below.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS Tuning VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 versus Evolve Automotive E600 supercharged E92 M3 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        I regret not coming prepared with sticky tires.. that will not happen again Click here to enlarge
        Would love to see what you would have run with DRs, trap speed was very nice tho!
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by evolve Click here to enlarge
        Thanks for mentioning that.

        We have a whole host of kits out there.

        I think people do notice that we don't really do a great deal to advertise our kit.

        The majority of our customer base comes from non forum posters and users. Usually people who
        don't have the time.

        The come and drive our demo car, they go drive another one and pick ours.

        It is being supplied to those who want the very best quality and overall delivery for a little more
        money.

        The way these guys figure it is - If we are going to spend 12, why not spend 14 and go for something that is taken to a higher level.

        It's not a kit that can really tell you much in pictures of videos.

        Actually, for us it is so much better this way. We don't have the forum wars like this, we sell an amount we are comfortable with (every evolve SC car gets a dyno session and we make sure we are hitting the safe targets we know are good).

        It's not ever going to be a high mass production type thing.

        However, we will make a non intercooled low boost 6 rib version for those who want to enter this upgrade and build up slowly. We may also give the option of a cast plenum to bring the price down to those who really want it.
        We can also produce the whole kit in the US and that saves quite a bit of money too because we lose the shipping and some parts are cheaper to make there.
        That's for the future though, lot's of other projects going on too which need more attention.

        If your looking for a guy to demo the non intercooled kit...then upgrade, pm me...I'm completely serious
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        Would love to see what you would have run with DRs, trap speed was very nice tho!
        Me too. I think 129 and 130 were doable. The car just flies through the rpms so fast. The 2 ess guys there are friends, but im gonna enjoy flying right past them.. contemplating a Euro only shootout day to set the record straight once and for all,.

        I have Undercover pricing out new tires for wll my vehicle s currently, r888 for street and MT for the track

        The best part is, is that I know my car runs the smoothest, everytime, all the time better, than anyone elses.. just like stock, but massively more powerul. Thats what I find so comical about all of this. Whos fasternwill go on forever as its just about power to weight, but thats all the enjoyment theynget 8ut of it is WOT fullmtilt runs. My car on the other hand is infinitely rewarding to drive at any speed, and thats what the 8thers will never have Click here to enlarge
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Me too. I think 129 and 130 were doable. The car just flies through the rpms so fast. The 2 ess guys there are friends, but im gonna enjoy flying right past them.. contemplating a Euro only shootout day to set the record straight once and for all,.

        I have Undercover pricing out new tires for wll my vehicle s currently, r888 for street and MT for the track

        The best part is, is that I know my car runs the smoothest, everytime, all the time better, than anyone elses.. just like stock, but massively more powerul. Thats what I find so comical about all of this. Whos fasternwill go on forever as its just about power to weight, but thats all the enjoyment theynget 8ut of it is WOT fullmtilt runs. My car on the other hand is infinitely rewarding to drive at any speed, and thats what the 8thers will never have Click here to enlarge
        Spoken like a true Evolve fanboi!

        j/k

        I am really torn, love the Evolve products but the price tag is steep, I am going to have to get over this sticker shock.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Can we fix the title? We all know who is and who isn't a sponsor on this site. Sponsors should be named first.

        Evolve Automotive E600 supercharged E92 M3 versus ESS Tuning VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Can we fix the title? We all know who is and who isn't a sponsor on this site. Sponsors should be named first.

        Evolve Automotive E600 supercharged E92 M3 versus ESS Tuning VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3
        Really dude? Does the order matter? I assure you Google picks it up regardless of the order.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Really dude? Does the order matter? I assure you Google picks it up regardless of the order.
        It matters in the legal world Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        It matters in the legal world Click here to enlarge
        You need to stop thinking like a lawyer all the time: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=evolve+e600+versus+ess+625
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        You need to stop thinking like a lawyer all the time: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=evolve+e600+versus+ess+625
        This is what I see in the search result:

        ESS Tuning VT2-625 supercharged E92 M3 versus Evolve

        Evolve gets cut off Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        There is a character limit on google but Evolve is still cached hence why searching for Evolve brings it up. I can't make google display 100% of the characters in titles.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        There is a character limit on google but Evolve is still cached hence why searching for Evolve brings it up. I can't make google display 100% of the characters in titles.
        There's a character limit on your "Latest Posts" too. This is all that shows up for this thread: "ESS Tuning VT2-625..."

        I'm just messing with you, but it should be something you consider next time Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        I'm going to go have some wine now. Consider that.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm going to go have some wine now. Consider that.
        It's only 2:35 over there. Must be nice...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        It's only 2:35 over there. Must be nice...
        It's my birthday so technically I'm allowed to have it for breakfast even. I think that's even a law in France.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's my birthday so technically I'm allowed to have it for breakfast even. I think that's even a law in France.
        Well then, happy birthday!
      1. evolve's Avatar
        evolve -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nafoo Click here to enlarge
        Thanks for your input. I'm leaning towards Evolve, I just need to start demodding my 335 and gather up the funds.

        Do you have any installers in Texas? I was thinking about sending my car up to Undercover, but wouldn't the tune be a little off since the weather up there is so different from down here?
        Hi,

        no the tuning will be fine at Undercover.

        The software automatically adapts to changes in temperature, pressure etc.

        You have to be in a seriously high altitude with hot weather with high humidity to have a custom map made.

        The DME is far far more sophisticated than you might think.

        Anyhow, we do not need a dyno to do small calibration changes, data logs with bmw logger are working extremely well.

        As an example, Steven's car made the correct power with the first developed file.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        Spoken like a true Evolve fanboi!

        j/k

        I am really torn, love the Evolve products but the price tag is steep, I am going to have to get over this sticker shock.
        Ha! Every Evolve customer talks like this. There is no comparison. Go ahead an buy something else, then start adding up the flaws and see what perfection would be worth to you Click here to enlarge
      1. IMHOWTFFTW's Avatar
        IMHOWTFFTW -
        Click here to enlarge And how the AA lvl3 feels at 30 degrees!!!! Holy $#@!! Crazy this morning, lol

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        We don't need to post compressor maps, everyone can just look at dyno sheets, run against some "equal" powered Vortech powered cars, or ride/drive in opposing supercharged M3s to notice the difference. A car with the Vortech drives like an on/off switch that won't be "on power" until you go above 6500 RPMs, while a Rotrex powered car puts down the same HP, a much wider powerband, and TQ across the entire rev range that won't force you to constantly rev the $#@! out the motor. This explains how LM (on a lower power kit) was able to keep even and trap the same speed as a higher powered ESS kit.

        We know that the Rotrex 7-7.5 psi, Exhaust & Stock S65 is good for 625-640 BHP, about the same BHP the max power Vortech kits achieve (depending on available fuels). But Active (and I believe Evolve will upon request) feel comfortable running the Rotrex at 8-9 psi on a stock motor for a 675-700 BHP.

        Bottom line is that it's pretty clear that the Rotrex C38 is a significantly better supercharger for the S65, from both a drivability and performance standpoint. The Rotrex essentially highlights and accentuates the NA S65s power curve and drivability, just with an additional ~200+ WHP.
      1. Irishace's Avatar
        Irishace -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        Ha! Every Evolve customer talks like this. There is no comparison. Go ahead an buy something else, then start adding up the flaws and see what perfection would be worth to you Click here to enlarge
        The only other kit I would now consider is an AA kit, the Rotrex is what I am after. After all of the research I have done, its clear Rotrex is the right blower for the motor. The sticker shock issue is about staging for me, I know I will want an intercooler setup but I was hoping I could ease into it.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Irishace Click here to enlarge
        The only other kit I would now consider is an AA kit, the Rotrex is what I am after. After all of the research I have done, its clear Rotrex is the right blower for the motor. The sticker shock issue is about staging for me, I know I will want an intercooler setup but I was hoping I could ease into it.
        I hear ya, $ is $, but currently neither of the offer non ICd version s, and its for good reason, the s65 hates heat.
        I think evolve nstated they are considering it, but as long as you understand its not going to be as consistent back to back as the intercooled kits