• F10 M5 version 2.0 - MotorTrend tests BMW's 2014 Competition Package F10 M5 AKA MotorTrend is run by morons

      The Competition Package for the F10 M5 is a $7300 option designed to improve the M5 driving experience. BimmerBoost personally feels that as an M5 the car should already be focused around offering the highest performance driving experience to begin with but at least BMW is responding to criticism of the F10 M5 and offering an option designed to improve it. $7300 buys you 15 more horsepower (575 total), a revised suspension with stiffer springs and rolls bars, and revised stability control, steering, and M differential.


      Those are some significant changes and the package is BMW essentially admitting those areas can be improved. Notice the E60 M5 and E39 M5 did not need this type of package.

      So how good is the package? MotorTrend claims acceleration is not improved by citing similar numbers to their European spec test F10 M5 from last year. No offense to MotorTrend but... actually, scratch that. Large offense to MotorTrend who seems to have amateurs working for them. Just because the elapsed time in the 1/4 mile is still 11.9 to 11.9 does not mean the car is offering the same performance. The trap speed with the Competition Package rises to an impressive 122.2 miles per hour from the 120.3 miles per hour in their previous test. That is just under two miles per hour from a claimed 15 horsepower increase. BimmerBoost is sick of being nice regarding this level of incompetence in interpreting performance numbers from supposedly professional journalists. MotorTrend, you have morons digesting and presenting your information.

      Furthermore, citing the 0-60 number as being the same is not evidence of performance between the two models being the same. This being a rear wheel drive car with over 560 horsepower in either trim means it is a traction limited stat. Even if the car gets a larger horsepower bump why would it correlate that the 0-60 should improve when there is already enough power to overwhelm the grip of the street tires? What is wrong with you? What is so hard to understand here? Why does this reviewer have a job?

      The Competition Package makes the M5 faster by approximately two miles per hour in the 1/4 mile. That is significant and although one can exceed this in the aftermarket for those who care about their warranty the package is making a performance difference.

      This M5 has Carbon Ceramic brakes and fade is eliminated with them which is impressive. A must have option really for a car of this weight that anyone intends to drive in a spirited manner. How about that the lap time improves as well to exceed the standard M6? Now the M6 also gets this same package meaning it will improve as well but these vehicles are finally what they should have been to begin with. That is the conclusion MotorTrend comes to and BimmerBoost agrees with.

      Enjoy the full video below as long as you can ignore MotorTrend's glaring mistakes.

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      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        And you do realize AMS already released turbo upgrade for the m157 right? On a completely stock car its made 790 WHEEL not crank on 93 octane. And that stock down to the filters and cats only the turbo changed. That means when fully uncorked on some proper fuel that will be a hell of a lot more. Than when combined with these upgrades they have coming out it will be very tough to keep up being so far behind.

        http://www.benzboost.com/showthread....nd-intercooler
      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        Motor Trend Beat us all to it!

      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        @Sticky haha you got to admit I pretty much nailed it! .4 seconds quicker through the quarter mile and only .4 slower trap speed which is not much so that video everyone keeps referring to is obviously BS
        @leveraged sellout so much for you BMW guys and your handling lol exactly the same stats and the AMG wasn't equipped with the optional carbon ceramic brakes that the m5 had so the AMG would have even better numbers. Seems like your the one who needs to read up on current AMG's and let that stereotype go. And exactly as I said the m5 is said to be numb and out of control while the AMG has much better feel, feels lighter, and puts it power down much better coming out of corners with AWD. These are 4500 pound cars with over 600 hp.

        So we know from a dig the m5 has no chance for the AMG to keep its advantage on a roll all it's needs is a 40whp advantage which the m157 has over the m stock and much more if both are modified.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky haha you got to admit I pretty much nailed it! .4 seconds quicker through the quarter mile and only .4 slower trap speed which is not much so that video everyone keeps referring to is obviously BS
        @leveraged sellout so much for you BMW guys and your handling lol exactly the same stats and the AMG wasn't equipped with the optional carbon ceramic brakes that the m5 had so the AMG would have even better numbers. Seems like your the one who needs to read up on current AMG's and let that stereotype go. And exactly as I said the m5 is said to be numb and out of control while the AMG has much better feel, feels lighter, and puts it power down much better coming out of corners with AWD. These are 4500 pound cars with over 600 hp.

        So we know from a dig the m5 has no chance for the AMG to keep its advantage on a roll all it's needs is a 40whp advantage which the m157 has over the m stock and much more if both are modified.

        I would have to say that the trap speed shows that the M5 would walk the C63 from a roll. You have the weight disadvantage and the drivetrain loss disadvantage; some extra HP to make up the difference, but you can see it's gaining on the Merc after launch from the times it's putting out. If they are both modified - I have no idea which is better. One is AWD the other isn't - they are truly different cars, but I guess it's what you would be looking at in this range.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        I would have to say that the trap speed shows that the M5 would walk the C63 from a roll. You have the weight disadvantage and the drivetrain loss disadvantage; some extra HP to make up the difference, but you can see it's gaining on the Merc after launch from the times it's putting out. If they are both modified - I have no idea which is better. One is AWD the other isn't - they are truly different cars, but I guess it's what you would be looking at in this range.
        Did you watch the full video? The difference is only .4 mph in trap speed that is pretty much a wash on a roll and from a dig it would be no contest. They m5 would just stop the pull of the E63 at 121 mph and to make up the space the E63 put on it until that point would prob require runs to be over 170 mph. Even than who knows the E class has better aerodynamics than the f10 so that could cancel out any difference.

        and from drag racing we all know sometimes more grip equals better time but actually lowers trap speed sometimes so that .4 mph is a wash. The weight difference is 100 pounds the e63 puts out over 40 wheel more at high speeds weight doesn't matter much it's all gearing/power/aero
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        BMW is still just making catch up attempts at this point. You've already ruined it BMW. I'd take the benz.
      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        I will gladly take the benz over the bimmer. Sorry but my BMW fanboy status has left the building a LONG time ago!

        Besides I think the Benz looks better.

        11.5 at 128.7 for the Viper GTS man imagine if that car could hook up!
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onisyndicate Click here to enlarge
        I will gladly take the benz over the bimmer. Sorry but my BMW fanboy status has left the building a LONG time ago!

        Besides I think the Benz looks better.

        11.5 at 128.7 for the Viper GTS man imagine if that car could hook up!
        Glad some people can be open minded !! I've had MB's and Bimmers they're both amazing cars but I'm not committed to either of them I'll get what's best at the time and IMO Benz has the upper hand this round. Have a feeling the M4 will be bmw's comeback tho
      1. onisyndicate's Avatar
        onisyndicate -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Glad some people can be open minded !! I've had MB's and Bimmers they're both amazing cars but I'm not committed to either of them I'll get what's best at the time and IMO Benz has the upper hand this round. Have a feeling the M4 will be bmw's comeback tho

        I'm excited for the m4. Edmunds says the e90 m3 is outdate when they compared it to the z51 corvette stingray.

        I hope the m4 gives the Z51 a run for its damn money. Plus the tunning pontiental of the m4 being turbo'd will be really nice!
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        leveraged sellout -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky haha you got to admit I pretty much nailed it! .4 seconds quicker through the quarter mile and only .4 slower trap speed which is not much so that video everyone keeps referring to is obviously BS
        @leveraged sellout so much for you BMW guys and your handling lol exactly the same stats and the AMG wasn't equipped with the optional carbon ceramic brakes that the m5 had so the AMG would have even better numbers. Seems like your the one who needs to read up on current AMG's and let that stereotype go. And exactly as I said the m5 is said to be numb and out of control while the AMG has much better feel, feels lighter, and puts it power down much better coming out of corners with AWD. These are 4500 pound cars with over 600 hp.

        So we know from a dig the m5 has no chance for the AMG to keep its advantage on a roll all it's needs is a 40whp advantage which the m157 has over the m stock and much more if both are modified.

        I find it hard to read your posts so I'm just going to try to reply to everything I think you said....

        First. I'm not a fanboy. I own a BMW. I like BMWs. There's nothing wrong with that. You might want to look at some of you own posts in regards to being a fanboy. I love German cars in general. I wouldn't ever drive anything else, unless it was Italian. But I also like to stick to facts, and not just what the moron Motor Trend editors say. I spend lots and lots of time on F10 Post, and there is not one owner there who is unhappy with their M5. Not one. Not one who thinks it is numb or dull. Have you driven one? Or are you taking someone's word? I also spend lots of time on MBWorld, and members there that have driven both (and on F10 post, and M5 board) have said they prefer the M5's handling. Now, I realize that's not everyone. But I'll take the tens of real world stories and accounts vs a quick test by a magazine that has already demonstrated that they can't handle the damn thing. I still have to drive both, so I'm definitely keeping an open mind. I'm simply trying to tell you what owners are saying.

        Second, I have driven AMGs, I've actually driven a C63, and I loved it. Belongs to one of my good friends, he's on here, it's now Wesitec S/C'd and crazy fast. I'm well up on what every single tuner is doing for any German car. You don't need to tell me. But again...we basically have nothing for the M5 yet. Some tunes that, and I have to disagree with sticky for the first time, are of dubious value, and DPs that seem to do a lot. And some exhausts, and an intake. Bragging about how much power a tuned M157 makes isn't really relevant because I'd be willing to bet that with similar mods an S63 would make the same or more horsepower. Not as much torque to be sure, but we can see that this doesn't really matter given the quarter mile times people are getting out of the M5.

        Overall, we both have our preferences and that's awesome...that's why we're all here. But I really think the M5 has barely been tapped as far as performance potential, and even looking at what REAL owners are getting in the REAL world on crappy under-prepped drag strips in real world weather and conditions, I think it is quite fair to say the cars are at best evenly matched. And I far prefer the looks, interior, sound and design of the M5, plus COMMAND compared to iDrive is a joke. M5 for me. And when AMS unveils their 800 hp upgrade, watch out.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        It's going to go back and forth. The cars are very close. I don't get why anyone would take issue one way or another.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
        I find it hard to read your posts so I'm just going to try to reply to everything I think you said....

        First. I'm not a fanboy. I own a BMW. I like BMWs. There's nothing wrong with that. You might want to look at some of you own posts in regards to being a fanboy. I love German cars in general. I wouldn't ever drive anything else, unless it was Italian. But I also like to stick to facts, and not just what the moron Motor Trend editors say. I spend lots and lots of time on F10 Post, and there is not one owner there who is unhappy with their M5. Not one. Not one who thinks it is numb or dull. Have you driven one? Or are you taking someone's word? I also spend lots of time on MBWorld, and members there that have driven both (and on F10 post, and M5 board) have said they prefer the M5's handling. Now, I realize that's not everyone. But I'll take the tens of real world stories and accounts vs a quick test by a magazine that has already demonstrated that they can't handle the damn thing. I still have to drive both, so I'm definitely keeping an open mind. I'm simply trying to tell you what owners are saying.

        Second, I have driven AMGs, I've actually driven a C63, and I loved it. Belongs to one of my good friends, he's on here, it's now Wesitec S/C'd and crazy fast. I'm well up on what every single tuner is doing for any German car. You don't need to tell me. But again...we basically have nothing for the M5 yet. Some tunes that, and I have to disagree with sticky for the first time, are of dubious value, and DPs that seem to do a lot. And some exhausts, and an intake. Bragging about how much power a tuned M157 makes isn't really relevant because I'd be willing to bet that with similar mods an S63 would make the same or more horsepower. Not as much torque to be sure, but we can see that this doesn't really matter given the quarter mile times people are getting out of the M5.

        Overall, we both have our preferences and that's awesome...that's why we're all here. But I really think the M5 has barely been tapped as far as performance potential, and even looking at what REAL owners are getting in the REAL world on crappy under-prepped drag strips in real world weather and conditions, I think it is quite fair to say the cars are at best evenly matched. And I far prefer the looks, interior, sound and design of the M5, plus COMMAND compared to iDrive is a joke. M5 for me. And when AMS unveils their 800 hp upgrade, watch out.
        Dont know whats so hard to read about my post they were short without any fluff.

        Well a comment like "us BMW guys and you AMG guys" is something a fanboy would say. Like ive stated I have owned bmw's (x6 and driven many M's) ive owned MB's (CLS500, SL 55, and my current C63 Coupe) So i obviously am not a fan boy if i spend my hard earned money to buy a BMW because i loved it. Like stated previously i buy whats best at the time and for me its obviously the E63 right now. But i wouldnt buy either honestly they are to heavy for my taste.

        Do you honestly think someone who just spent over 100K on an m5 is going to admit that the competitor is better? Not happening ... Do you know what the owners on MBWorld are saying about the E63 S? Thats its the best car and much better than the m5 its no surprise theyre defending their purchase. Besides Vic55 who now has 2 s63tu's and he himself says the M157 is superior in power

        No I have not driven the M5 have you? Its not just motortrend its almost unanimous from reviewers that its numb, heavy, and to insulated from the driving experience basically the Anti-M. I have driven the CLS 63 PP that was a 2012 RWD and it was phenomenal for such a big heavy car. I still wouldnt take it over my c63 especially the way i have it set up now I prefer the driving experience and the E63 nor M5 provides what i want its just that the E63 S does it better.

        The M5 has been out for a while now it just seems there isnt as much wiggle room as the M157. Its also down over a liter of displacement. Watch out for what? The M157 is already making basically 800whp with turbos from AMS on a completely stock car otherwise.
        Its obvious we have different opinions and im not looking to get into an internet war over something I dont even own I was just trying to provide some facts so readers can understand both sides of the story and they can make their own decisions from their.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's going to go back and forth. The cars are very close. I don't get why anyone would take issue one way or another.
        They def are very close their is no doubt about it and i have no issue with it. The only thing i had an issue with was saying BMW's automatically handle much better and have better balance, unsprung weight etc. When the facts are now out there that prove the contrary. The numbers are basically the same with the E not having the CC brakes the M5 did and was said to have better feel/control. Just want the truth thats it
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Do you honestly think someone who just spent over 100K on an m5 is going to admit that the competitor is better? Not happening ... Do you know what the owners on MBWorld are saying about the E63 S? Thats its the best car and much better than the m5 its no surprise theyre defending their purchase. Besides Vic55 who now has 2 s63tu's and he himself says the M157 is superior in power
        No offense the majority of people are MBworld are retards and have the AMG symbol so far up their rear ends they can't see straight. These are the same idiots that said the C63 is soooo much more powerful than the E92 M3 without having a clue what they were talking about. These same people said the C32 was oh so much better than the E46 M3 which today takes a dump all over the C32 which has been all but forgotten. That is Mercedes fanboy central.

        Who cares if they say the E63 is better? A Mercedes site favors a Mercedes? Shocker. The M5 is currently the faster car and it is also lighter with a dual clutch. There's two things the E63 AMG S can't do better.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        The M5 has been out for a while now it just seems there isnt as much wiggle room as the M157. Its also down over a liter of displacement. Watch out for what? The M157 is already making basically 800whp with turbos from AMS on a completely stock car otherwise.
        I'm sorry but the issue with the M5 isn't 'wiggle room' it's electronics as always. How about wiggle room for larger turbos? In the E63 space is at a premium. I'm well aware of things in the pipeline for it that you are not but let's just say the M5 with its top mount turbos may sway a large advantage back in its favor. The M157 simply has an advantage due to time on the market. What this will come down to in all honesty is who fits the largest snails win. And guess what? That may just be the M5 and even if both cars have equal power the M5 will always pull due to lower drivetrain losses, less weight, and a quicker shifting transmission. Just like how the M3 is able to beat the C63.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        They def are very close their is no doubt about it and i have no issue with it. The only thing i had an issue with was saying BMW's automatically handle much better and have better balance, unsprung weight etc. When the facts are now out there that prove the contrary. The numbers are basically the same with the E not having the CC brakes the M5 did and was said to have better feel/control. Just want the truth thats it
        The M5 is lighter than the E63 AMG S. I think it will have the better laptime. I don't see any facts to the contrary thus far.
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No offense the majority of people are MBworld are retards and have the AMG symbol so far up their rear ends they can't see straight. These are the same idiots that said the C63 is soooo much more powerful than the E92 M3 without having a clue what they were talking about. These same people said the C32 was oh so much better than the E46 M3 which today takes a dump all over the C32 which has been all but forgotten. That is Mercedes fanboy central.

        Who cares if they say the E63 is better? A Mercedes site favors a Mercedes? Shocker. The M5 is currently the faster car and it is also lighter with a dual clutch. There's two things the E63 AMG S can't do better.



        I'm sorry but the issue with the M5 isn't 'wiggle room' it's electronics as always. How about wiggle room for larger turbos? In the E63 space is at a premium. I'm well aware of things in the pipeline for it that you are not but let's just say the M5 with its top mount turbos may sway a large advantage back in its favor. The M157 simply has an advantage due to time on the market. What this will come down to in all honesty is who fits the largest snails win. And guess what? That may just be the M5 and even if both cars have equal power the M5 will always pull due to lower drivetrain losses, less weight, and a quicker shifting transmission. Just like how the M3 is able to beat the C63.
        Haha and Bimmerpost isnt BMW fan boy central with the M symbol up their ass and the N54 shrine at home? Im not talking about c32 days im talking about today now. Um you totally missed my point ! Thats what i was saying ofcourse a Benz forum will favor the Benz and the BMW forum will favor the BMW. Did you not read what the user said before me? Your point was exactly my point to him. And yes the C63 is actually Sooooo much faster than the M3? A P31 Coupe (MCT) ran completely bone stock tires and all 11.9 @119 there m3 is nowhere close to that.

        How is the M3 able to beat the C63? Lets not bring up the pre MCT cars the current MCT cars are a good amount faster than DCT M3's dual clutch torque multiplication thru revs and all. And modified N/A the gap becomes even bigger. Supercharged they have proven to be faster we all saw the air strip vids. The only chance they have is your car and that has still to be proven. Not doubting it but as of now they are the ones to beat
      1. ezec63's Avatar
        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The M5 is lighter than the E63 AMG S. I think it will have the better laptime. I don't see any facts to the contrary thus far.
        Did you not watch the new motortrend video of the E63 S vs the M5 competition package? How is the M5 the faster car? The E63 S beat it by .3 seconds in the quarter mile with basically identical trap speeds and the E63 S didnt have the CC brakes the M5 did which is a huge advantage of unsprung rotational mass. The handling numbers were exactly the same with the E63 S said to have much better feel again without the CC brakes that are optional. Add in the AWD to put down the power out of corners the M5 will not have better track times
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Haha and Bimmerpost isnt BMW fan boy central with the M symbol up their ass and the N54 shrine at home? Im not talking about c32 days im talking about today now. Um you totally missed my point ! Thats what i was saying ofcourse a Benz forum will favor the Benz and the BMW forum will favor the BMW. Did you not read what the user said before me? Your point was exactly my point to him. And yes the C63 is actually Sooooo much faster than the M3? A P31 Coupe (MCT) ran completely bone stock tires and all 11.9 @119 there m3 is nowhere close to that.

        How is the M3 able to beat the C63? Lets not bring up the pre MCT cars the current MCT cars are a good amount faster than DCT M3's dual clutch torque multiplication thru revs and all. And modified N/A the gap becomes even bigger. Supercharged they have proven to be faster we all the air strip vids. The only chance they have is your car and that has still to be proven. Not doubting it but as of now they are the ones to beat
        Yes, Bimmerpost is filled with even more brain dead retards hence why this place exists. I would not cite either of those sites as bastions of intelligent automotive performance discussion or understanding.

        A P31 car IS faster, yes. This option came later. A non-P31 car is not. Good luck explaining that on MBworld.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        How is the M3 able to beat the C63?
        The E46 M3 is currently well ahead of the C63 and my E92 is as well.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Lets not bring up the pre MCT cars the current MCT cars are a good amount faster than DCT M3's dual clutch torque multiplication thru revs and all.
        I'm trying to make sense of this. The MCT isn't anywhere near on the same level as a true dual clutch.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        And modified N/A the gap becomes even bigger.
        The NA gap will always be in the M156's favor due to the displacement advantage. No argument there.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Supercharged they have proven to be faster we all saw the air strip vids. The only chance they have is your car and that has still to be proven. Not doubting it but as of now they are the ones to beat
        Um I beat every AMG that showed up to the airstrip so I don't know what needs to be proven there. The M3 is lighter, revs higher, and has a dual clutch. It's mean and I'm just getting warmed up. I intend to bruise a lot of egos if I haven't already.
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        ezec63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yes, Bimmerpost is filled with even more brain dead retards hence why this place exists. I would not cite either of those sites as bastions of intelligent automotive performance discussion or understanding.

        A P31 car IS faster, yes. This option came later. A non-P31 car is not. Good luck explaining that on MBworld.



        The E46 M3 is currently well ahead of the C63 and my E92 is as well.



        I'm trying to make sense of this. The MCT isn't anywhere near on the same level as a true dual clutch.



        The NA gap will always be in the M156's favor due to the displacement advantage. No argument there.



        Um I beat every AMG that showed up to the airstrip so I don't know what needs to be proven there. The M3 is lighter, revs higher, and has a dual clutch. It's mean and I'm just getting warmed up. I intend to bruise a lot of egos if I haven't already.
        Right that was my point ! He tried to use the argument that Bimmerpost members with M5's say its better so it has to be better and i replied with basically the same point you did !

        Yes the P31 car with MCT is faster the non P31 with the 7G is close but the M3 has the advantage as speeds go up but were talking about current cars which have MCT's

        Your E92 is well ahead of over 1100 whp from the M156? Id like to see you prove me wrong but as of now the M156 has the title of power over the S65. Not sure about the E46 so i wont stick my foot in my mouth.
        The current fastest E92 on drag times is basically even with dodgers N/A C63 so thats tell a lot.

        I didnt mean the trans itself The DCT is def a better trans than the MCT i was talking about the cars they are attached to.

        You have a built motor sleeved block S65 so running basic stage 3 cars is no comparison. You have to run the big dogs built motor built trans just like you will be. So until you beat JRcart/ Earl i believe they are the ones that hold the belt. They have power numbers, 1/4 mile slips and multiple runway victories. The CLK trapped over 185 at the half mile event and is 200 whp stronger than before. Not doubting you Sticky take it easy just stating my opinion I hope you go out there and kick ass.
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        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Yes the P31 car with MCT is faster the non P31 with the 7G is close but the M3 has the advantage as speeds go up but were talking about current cars which have MCT's
        Regardless it took a P31 package to put the C63 decisively ahead.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        Your E92 is well ahead of over 1100 whp from the M156? Id like to see you prove me wrong but as of now the M156 has the title of power over the S65. Not sure about the E46 so i wont stick my foot in my mouth.
        I haven't seen an 1100 whp C63. I haven't seen any dyno showing 1000+ whp from the M156 all we have is numbers typed on forums from people known to brag. Let me just put it this way, the power argument is not in favor of the M156 when we're talking forced induction. Both motors are VERY capable here.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        The current fastest E92 on drag times is basically even with dodgers N/A C63 so thats tell a lot.
        It says Dodger knows when negative DA hits and when to be at the track.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        I didnt mean the trans itself The DCT is def a better trans than the MCT i was talking about the cars they are attached to.
        As am I and I believe the M5 has a distinct advantage due to its transmission.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ezec63 Click here to enlarge
        You have a built motor sleeved block S65 so running basic stage 3 cars is no comparison. You have to run the big dogs built motor built trans just like you will be. So until you beat JRcart/ Earl i believe they are the ones that hold the belt. They have power numbers, 1/4 mile slips and multiple runway victories. The CLK trapped over 185 at the half mile event and is 200 whp stronger than before. Not doubting you Sticky take it easy just stating my opinion I hope you go out there and kick ass.
        This does not change my car dispatching with 63 AMG's which according to MBworld people was impossible.

        Well they haven't run me and I haven't run them. For that particular event it is I who holds the belt.

        I appreciate that we'll see soon enough but I am quite familiar with all these cars and their capabilities.