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    • 6-speed supercharged E92 M3 S65 V8 battle - ESS VT2-650 versus Gintani Stage 2 roll on race

      Finally some ESS versus Gintani supercharged M3 action! These videos are very hard to come by as a video like this can sway perception greatly as to real world performance (dynograph racing is for kids) between the kits. That is why you will not see it on the front page of certain websites. The ESS VT2-650 kit has been claimed to put out over 600 horsepower at the wheels but you do not race graphs, you race cars.


      Here are the specs for both vehicles, the Gintani supercharged M3 is the camera car:

      Mod List - ESS M3
      SGM 08 BMW M3
      ESS VT2- 650 - 8 PSI
      Challenge Race X- Pipe
      Eisenmann Rear Section
      KW V3 Coilovers
      Volk TE37 9.5/10.5 + Yokohama AD08 265/295
      Brembo BBK


      Mod List - Gintani M3 - CAMERA CAR
      MR 08 BMW M3
      Gintani Stage 2 - 7.5 PSI
      RPI X-Pipe
      OEM Rear Section
      H&R Race
      RD Sways
      RPI Scoops
      Toyo R888 275 only rears
      Style 219 OEM Wheels

      Now there are no honks in the video so it appears the Gintani car gets a jump. Regardless, there is no denying it pulls away definitively as which point the ESS supercharged car just gives up and gets off the gas. What explains this results considering the Gintani car has a 7.5 psi boost pulley versus 8.0 for the ESS VT2-650?

      First of all, tuning is an important difference. Gintani Stage 2 kits are usually custom tuned to the application. ESS VT2-650 kits come with a canned tune. One can of course get a custom tune but the actual kit is one size fits all. These are simply different approaches and have their merits but for maximum performance a custom tune tailored to the vehicle and fuel is always preferable.

      Secondly, the Gintani Stage 2 kit features a revised manifold with improved flow. When trying to make the system as efficient as possible the manifold design of course is important. A freer flowing manifold should show less boost.

      Gintani also has a Vortech T-Trim option which is a slightly larger blower capable of more CFM than the V3si ESS uses. Again, pros and cons here as the self-lubricated V3si is very nice from a maintenance perspective and the T-Trim requires tapping the oil pan for lubrication. A pro of tapping the oil pan is the oil can be changed and cooled more easily. A con is if something were to go mechanically wrong with the blower a small piece of metal has a chance (however slim) of entering the cars oil system. Again, pros and cons and there are blower choices available for the Gintani kit although one is locked in with the ESS kit.

      Keep in mind these cars not running meth and the Gintani Stage 2+ setup can run higher boost and more aggressive timing with a custom meth tune which ESS does not offer with their kit.

      Hopefully we see more videos like this as there has been far too much dyno racing by fanboys.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: ESS 650 vs GINTANI STAGE 2 (no meth) both 6 sp started by Wagdaddy View original post
      Comments 90 Comments
      1. e92livin's Avatar
        e92livin -
        Mod List - ESS M3
        SGM 08 BMW M3
        ESS VT2- 650 - 8 PSI
        Challenge Race X- Pipe
        Eisenmann Rear Section
        KW V3 Coilovers
        Volk TE37 9.5/10.5 + Yokohama AD08 265/295
        Brembo BBK


        Mod List - Gintani M3 - CAMERA CAR
        MR 08 BMW M3
        Gintani Stage 2 - 7.5 PSI
        RPI X-Pipe
        OEM Rear Section
        H&R Race
        RD Sways
        RPI Scoops
        Toyo R888 275 only rears
        Style 219 OEM Wheels
      1. folgrz's Avatar
        folgrz -
        Nice kill dude!
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Seems like Gintani builds some serious cars. Nice kill!, but I've also heard they've blown quite a few motors as well as their in-shop tuning can be crazy aggressive. Some of their video's on youtube prove it. I just hope they are shop cars and not customer cars as I'd be pissed if they just sat there and kept my car at redline to do an exhaust video.....
      1. e92livin's Avatar
        e92livin -
        Lol you probably have never dealt with Gintani so your opinion is just hear-say, Thanks though
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by e92livin Click here to enlarge
        Lol you probably have never dealt with Gintani so your opinion is just hear-say, Thanks though
        Nope, I actually do my own research first. Doesn't mean they're a bad shop in any way. Just saying they're aggressive, not sure many dispute that. Have they blown motors? Gintani won't deny that. Were they probably mostly stock motors being pushed to the limits? Sure, nothing wrong with that either if you plan on rebuilding the motor anyway and want to see what it handles.

        And how would me dealing directly with them have to do with whether or not they've blown motors? Push cars to the limit and things happen. Pretty simple, no reason to be defensive.
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Figured I should mention this...I was originally shopping for an M3 before a 335i, and was very intrigued with Gintani and their work. Probably woulda been them or AA if I woulda went with the M3 for aftermarket work, so don't think I'm trying to badmouth, i'm not, my apologies if it came off that way. (still thinking about doing it, but waiting to see what happens with the n54 in next 6 months first)
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Would like to see a couple more runs to see a clarity.
      1. e92livin's Avatar
        e92livin -
        I have more videos we ran 4 times.
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        what were the results of those? Edit them all into one...
      1. WNF_335i's Avatar
        WNF_335i -
        i was there guys gintani car hauls ass. won all four runs
      1. Andrew@activeautowerke's Avatar
        Andrew@activeautowerke -
        says alot when you have the same blower and less psi Click here to enlarge
      1. Wagdaddy's Avatar
        Wagdaddy -
        Too many people always doubt Gintani lol
      1. mjmarovi's Avatar
        mjmarovi -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Andrew@activeautowerke Click here to enlarge
        says alot when you have the same blower and less psi Click here to enlarge
        X2!
      1. e92livin's Avatar
        e92livin -
        Hey Guys, I will get all the videos edited by tonight hopefully and post them up. The ESS car was strong possibly down some power that night since my buddy ran him in his fbo 335 100% meth and 100% race gas and kept up. But there will plenty more runs between my car and some ESS cars there pretty popular out here in Toronto. Anyway stay tuned .. they should be up by tomorrow.
      1. e92livin's Avatar
        e92livin -
        On a side note if you see our 2nd gear take off, you will see we were neck and neck till I hit third gear... so who knows if its down power or not.
      1. Wagdaddy's Avatar
        Wagdaddy -
        Beast baby!
      1. pho_e92's Avatar
        pho_e92 -
        Is that Jevon's car?
      1. inter1032's Avatar
        inter1032 -
        you guys arent realizing what the people on m3post are, the gintani car has better tires so thats the reason it won Click here to enlarge
      1. e92livin's Avatar
        e92livin -
        Yes that is Jevons car, he is my good friend.
      1. TZ04XJR's Avatar
        TZ04XJR -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inter1032 Click here to enlarge
        you guys arent realizing what the people on m3post are, the gintani car has better tires so thats the reason it won Click here to enlarge
        Lmao... I just love excuses.