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    • IND-Distribution shows off the difference in engine notes between the E60 M5 S85 V10 and F10 M5 S63TU V8 plus the sound quality of the Eisenmann Race Exhaust

      Very well done sound quality comparison and high quality video from IND-Distribution demonstrating the difference between two M motors and really two different eras. One represents the classic M high revving naturally aspirated approach that being the S85 5.0 liter V10 in the E60 M5. The other is the brand new "Efficient Dynamics" era S63TU Twin Turbo direct injected 4.4 liter V8 in the brand new F10 M5. Both are equipped with Eisenmann exhaust systems. So which sounds better?


      It is no contest. The S85 V10 is arguably the best sounding production M motor of all time with simply an exotic engine note that is difficult to equate to anything that is not expensive and Italian. This is the only production V10 for street car use ever produced by M and they the bar very high. Literally, the only other place you could get something on this level would be in a much more expensive exotic from Italy. We will never see (or hear) something this good in a new M car ever again. The Eisenmann Race exhaust compliments and accentuates the engine note perfectly.

      Then there is new S63TU V8 alongside the E60 M5. The engine note has been described as weak and BMW even pipes in synthetic noise due to this. Is there anything else that needs to be said really? It will never sound as good as the S85 V10 at full song. Period. An aftermarket exhaust like the Eisenmann Race you hear here definitely will help it sound more like an M should but this comparison is no contest.

      If you want your M5 to sound like this, contact IND-Distribution: http://ind-distribution.com/main.php @Ilia@IND @Nate@IND


      F10 M5 Eisenmann Race with AMS downpipes:


      E60 M5 Eisenmann Race:


      This article was originally published in forum thread: e60 vs f10 started by G0TB00ST? View original post
      Comments 52 Comments
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        that thread didn't have how to get in it - thanks though
        I know. You should bump it...
      1. Dperformance's Avatar
        Dperformance -
        F10 with straight pipes better Imo then v10 plus never was a s85 fan performance wise, ever since 03 the m lines been $#@! on power wise by amgs and I'm tired of it , wish bmw would step it up
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dperformance Click here to enlarge
        F10 with straight pipes better Imo then v10 plus never was a s85 fan performance wise, ever since 03 the m lines been $#@! on power wise by amgs and I'm tired of it , wish bmw would step it up
        Not a fan of a 500hp NA v10 that revs to 8k AND it can go around a track several times without going into limp mode??? Not to mention with the right mods and tune this engine really wakes up. I mean if you perfer turbos that's cool, but I would rather have a high revving v10 that sounds like heaven
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dperformance Click here to enlarge
        F10 with straight pipes better Imo then v10 plus never was a s85 fan performance wise, ever since 03 the m lines been $#@! on power wise by amgs and I'm tired of it , wish bmw would step it up
        It's an NA 5.0 liter V10 that revs over 8k rpm. The only other place you can get that is in a Gallardo and yet nobody is calling those underpowered probably due to the existence of UGR.
      1. Dperformance's Avatar
        Dperformance -
        V10 should make more power not less imo that's all and it has to rev high due to lack of torque for compensation, just not a fan as a purest the e39 was a better car then the e60 imo
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dperformance Click here to enlarge
        V10 should make more power not less imo that's all and it has to rev high due to lack of torque for compensation, just not a fan as a purest the e39 was a better car then the e60 imo
        What you're saying doesn't make any sense. How did AMG $#@! on it performance wise? From a stop the E55 may have an advantage due to the automatic and supercharger torque but the smaller S85 motor would pull it up top without a blower. That's a better engineered engine.

        Yeah, it has to rev high. It also offers better response and a race car style motor in a sedan. It's awesome.
      1. Dperformance's Avatar
        Dperformance -
        Let's compare the bi turbo Amg to current turbo f10 m5....

        Or na 63amg to v10 not the e55 that was ahead of its time from 03-06 when bmw had nothing for 2.5 years to even compeat
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dperformance Click here to enlarge
        Let's compare the bi turbo Amg to current turbo f10 m5....
        Ok, and?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dperformance Click here to enlarge
        Or na 63amg to v10 not the e55 that was ahead of its time from 03-06 when bmw had nothing for 2.5 years to even compeat
        I don't know if it was ahead of its time but the point is the E60 M5 didn't have trouble with the E55 or E63 AMG of its time.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        S85 was a marvle of a engine, one of the best in its time and to this day.. It has won 10 engine awards in its timeframe of production, one of the most awarded engine ever produced...V10 strapped to a sedan with 8250 redline, 10 individual throttle bodies, variable camshaft control, Dry sump, blocks made in the same plant as the F1 racing engine blocks and makes over 100hp per liter... On top of it being one of the best sounding engine ever made.. Hard to top it..My 6.3 amg engine blew, and for the same reason it has a lawsuit aganist it from numerous forum members engine blowing aswell... M156 makes great power and sounds good, but at the end of the day its just another big v8 strapped to a sedan (or coupe) thats makes good noises..
      1. G0TB00ST?'s Avatar
        G0TB00ST? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Dperformance Click here to enlarge
        V10 should make more power not less imo that's all and it has to rev high due to lack of torque for compensation, just not a fan as a purest the e39 was a better car then the e60 imo
        the s85 made over 100hp per liter that's not underpowered by any means. As far as torq goes who cares? Unles your drag racing or pulling heavy loads having loads of tq isn't that important. It made enough to get it off the line in a respectable time. Also it didn't rev high to compensate for lack of tq, that's how it made power. For any car to make power it's either going to be FI, big displacement or high revving. Lastly not taking anything away from the e39 but the s62 was just a glorified m62 compared to the s85. If you prefer turbo v8's thats cool and all but the s85 is a real racing engine...something the s63 will never be
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        S85 was a marvle of a engine, one of the best in its time and to this day.. It has won 10 engine awards in its timeframe of production, one of the most awarded engine ever produced...V10 strapped to a sedan with 8250 redline, 10 individual throttle bodies, variable camshaft control, Dry sump, blocks made in the same plant as the F1 racing engine blocks and makes over 100hp per liter... On top of it being one of the best sounding engine ever made.. Hard to top it..My 6.3 amg engine blew, and for the same reason it has a lawsuit aganist it from numerous forum members engine blowing aswell... M156 makes great power and sounds good, but at the end of the day its just another big v8 strapped to a sedan (or coupe) thats makes good noises..
        The M159 is the closest to an M motor AMG ever got. A real M motor. It's worthy of respect.

        I agree with everything you said regarding the S85 but it is a quasi dry-sump not a true dry-sump system. BMW got cheap.
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        I agree.. The M159 is a very nice upgrade with some good additions... I also agree on the quasi dry sump, lol reason i didnt add the quasi haha MY favorite 6.3 engine is member ezec63's, best one i ever seen, heard or see perform!