• 335/N54 fanboys get panties in a twist over a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned bolt on 335i

      Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.


      Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

      Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

      This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

      M3 is the camera car.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: New video-DCT m3 takes down a FBO 335 with jb4, downpipes, FMIC and intake started by Wannbm5 View original post
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      1. josh135's Avatar
        josh135 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Here is a video of me racing a supercharged E90 M3 when I had stock turbos...
        I was trying to post this video and the stock video of the m3 and 135 drag race. Did that M3 miss a gear or something because that is a beating he took.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by josh135 Click here to enlarge
        I was trying to post this video and the stock video of the m3 and 135 drag race. Did that M3 miss a gear or something because that is a beating he took.
        Think that vid is bull$#@!... But a tuned 335/135 will absolutely take a m3. Look at the 1m, that car has a milder tune than a basic stg1 jb4 and it's the same speed as a stock m. The op needs to drive a fbo properly tuned 335, then he can see what all the fuss is about
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
        Think that vid is bull$#@!... But a tuned 335/135 will absolutely take a m3. Look at the 1m, that car has a milder tune than a basic stg1 jb4 and it's the same speed as a stock m. The op needs to drive a fbo properly tuned 335, then he can see what all the fuss is about
        Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

        I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.

        Are you talking tuned 1M vs stock M3?
      1. GeorgiaTech335Coupe's Avatar
        GeorgiaTech335Coupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

        I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.

        Are you talking tuned 1M vs stock M3?
        I don't think a M3 has 100hp more, maybe if you look at a brochure. Weren't stock 1M's dynoing around 320-330whp? And stock M3s dynoing 350whp? And when is the M3 actually making more power? After 6000rpm? Don't forget the big weight advantage (isn't it around 400lbs). I could be wrong, but that math adds up that what he is saying is plausible.
      1. amclint's Avatar
        amclint -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Whoa... A stock M3's 0-160 km/h time is over 1.5 seconds (~8-10 car lengths?) quicker than a 1M. The M3 has almost 100 horsepower on the 1M. An M3 with or without DCT is a sub 10s car to 160km/h (100 MPH) - the 1M is a 10.5s-10.8s car. That's a huge difference - and a true testament to how quick a car is. Straight line = 0-100 MPH, and they aren't close... Sorry, but they aren't.

        I am the first to admit (see above) that a proper FBO 335i is faster than a stock M3, but this isn't right - the 1M is not as fast as an M3 stock for stock - unless I am misunderstanding something.

        Are you talking tuned 1M vs stock M3?
        I agree that stock for stock a M3 is faster than an 1M, since I was reading around I figured I'd post some info I found:

        MT Comparo of 1M vs M3, 9.8 to 10.5 on the 0-100mph time. But 1/4 mile trap is ~4mph higher for the M3, so it's clearly walking away after ~70mph.

        Car lengths are a factor of time to distance, the M3 and the 1M in the comparo aren't all that far off in terms of 1/4 mile ET (.2 seconds would be a few car lengths). I see the two cars being nearly even in the 1/8th mile with the M3 moving out from the 1/8th to the 1/4 and obviously beyond that.

        Also should be noted that I found a few stock 1M cars that have personal vbox times just under 10 seconds as well as a few euro mags that claim 9.8s 0-160kph but the MT comparo was both cars run at the same place/time/temp/etc.

        http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
      1. amclint's Avatar
        amclint -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335Coupe Click here to enlarge
        I don't think a M3 has 100hp more, maybe if you look at a brochure. Weren't stock 1M's dynoing around 320-330whp? And stock M3s dynoing 350whp? And when is the M3 actually making more power? After 6000rpm? Don't forget the big weight advantage (isn't it around 400lbs). I could be wrong, but that math adds up that what he is saying is plausible.
        ~200lbs but you're right on the 1M dyno, funny it's rated for 335 crank hp and it makes almost that much WHP. Conditions might make a difference on the 1M though, if the race is in 110 F heat how much does the 1M slow down compared to an M3 in the same heat? I know my 335 is a good bit slower in the heat, not sure the M3 would suffer the same way.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Ok, maybe the 1m isn't the same speed but as noted above, it isn't far off. Stock.... I thought it was the same from what I read. I'm still pissed the 1m was so limited in production, if that car had a normal production run, BMW would have made a boatload
      1. Itsbrokeagain's Avatar
        Itsbrokeagain -
        Oops accidentally posi-repped the OPs video. My bad lol
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by josh135 Click here to enlarge
        I was trying to post this video and the stock video of the m3 and 135 drag race. Did that M3 miss a gear or something because that is a beating he took.
        He touched his rev limiter on one shift I think but the brute force of the N54 is undeniable... Click here to enlarge

        Anyway, on pump gas, bolt ons, the M3 vs. N54 is going to be close with the M3 having a small advantage. Once you start talking E85, race gas, or meth, it's game over bolt on M3. And sometimes game over supercharged M3. Bolt on N54s are running 120-125mph in the 1/4 stock turbo with E85 and/or meth. While bolt on M3s max out at what 119mph?
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Itsbrokeagain Click here to enlarge
        Oops accidentally posi-repped the OPs video. My bad lol
        Countered with a neg.
      1. Stucks's Avatar
        Stucks -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brey335i Click here to enlarge
        But I have plenty of upset M3 owners to vouch for how fast a properly tuned 335 is.
        +1 lol. All the local M3 guys around the DC/MD/VA area do not want to touch my car or zeels lol. Hell, many of them are afraid of most of the other local 335i's too.
      1. nafoo's Avatar
        nafoo -
        OP obviously does not know what he's talking about or is trolling the hell out of all of you Click here to enlarge
      1. JStang's Avatar
        JStang -
        This is a funny thread. This guy is just bored and trying to stir some $hit up.
      1. WNF_335i's Avatar
        WNF_335i -
        Hey guys I raced a stock m3 e92 and I was fbo e90 335i. heres the video
        335- 94oct, dp, dci, fmic, cp/bov. map 5 jb4 g4board hitting about 14-15 psi
        couple weeks later on the same settings raced another m3 it was a e90 with a tune and some boltons and pretty much the same car lengths I pulled.

        my buddies m3 is getting his supercharger installed anyday now lol game over.

        since this race I switched to g5 board + meth
      1. WNF_335i's Avatar
        WNF_335i -
        hope my last post helps you sleep at night
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Wow, guy gets negged heavily for posting a vid N54 owners don't like? Seriously? What's wrong with you guys? Oh no M3 won let's neg him?

        +100 @Wannbm5
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Linracing Click here to enlarge
        Are you insane?
        I had both FBO DCT m3 and now FBO AUTO 335. My 335 walks my old M3 BAD!

        FBO M3's put down 400whp-320TQ MAX
        FBO 335's put down 440-450whp-480TQ

        335i is also 60-80lbs lighter
        I love how the DCT and M3 gearing is just left out. The M3 makes more efficient use of its power.

        I walked 335's bad, how was that possible? When I had bolt ons I freaking destroyed 335's. They have gotten stronger now but N54 guys like to benchmark against the M3 almost as if they have an inferiority complex. It's the same old argument.

        Just give the M3 some respect it does more with less. It's underrated and stronger than most of you realize.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        It has nothing to do with a n54 not winning, it's when someone goes on the n54 section and posts something that isn't true and clearly tried to start trouble....the rep system works, why are you feeding a troll? Bc he has a m3? Seems like your logic is more flawed @Sticky
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Linracing Click here to enlarge
        I will match 5 grand to race any FBO M3 even with a stroker motor would not even come close to a FBO 335i on stock turbos.


        There was a FBO 335i stock turbos beating a Supercharged m3 525kit . Those only put down 440whp.
        What? A stroker motor won't come close to a FBO 335i? Why not? You just wrote 440 whp for a FBO 335 yet a stroker M3 without cams put out in the 440's plus it has the DCT so it will win.

        You're sipping kool-aid pretty hard.

        If a supercharged M3 loses it's a crap setup. 440 whp? LOL
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Oh yes, here we go the millionth time, the ever popular 335 versus M3 discussion. A user posted the video below of a bolt on DCT E92 M3 pulling a JB4 tuned 335i in the forums and the N54 fanboys went for the pitchforks and torches. For whatever reason 335 owners in particular seem to really want to attack the E92 M3 perhaps in justification of their own purchase. There is the typical "oh I didn't get an M3 because a tuned 335 is faster" nonsense that N54 fanboys tend to comfort themselves with in the never ending M3 versus 335 debate.

        Click here to enlarge

        Even though the 335 in this video may have more power and torque in tuned form which the fanboys love to point out the other side of the coin is that the M3's redline and transmission are a huge advantage. Gearing is an area the M3 simply has an advantage over the 335 in and the transmission makes a big difference as one can see the shift speed in lower gears is really what gives the M3 the gains it sees in the race early on.

        Up top, the tuned 335's horsepower advantage comes into play as the cars spend more time in gear negating the gear change advantage provided by the DCT allowing the 335 to inch up and close the gap.

        This video is a good real world example as without race gas or meth a 335 will struggle against a tuned M3 especially one with DCT. Of course 335 owners will point out they can upgrade their turbos. Then M3 owners will say they can supercharge. Then the debate escalates and escalate and there are dozens of pages to read of M3 and 335 owners essentially throwing feces at each other. BMW fans, just enjoy 335 versus M3 round 400,000 in the video below.

        M3 is the camera car.