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    • 2014 BMW F80 M3 expected to weigh 220 pounds less than the E90 M3 and have 450 horsepower?

      Interesting claim here regarding the curb weight of the next generation F80 M3. Now the horsepower is expected to be in the 450 range. CAR Magazine claimed the car would have 444 horses so ~450 seems to be the right range. This not as big of a jump as the E46 M3 to the E92 M3 or the new F10 M5 to the previous generation E60 M5 but BMW only made about a 60 horsepower jump with the new M5 model at the crank although the horsepower numbers at the wheels point to far more.

      I would expect the same with the new M3 that for the wheel horsepower gains on the F80 to exceed the crank horsepower difference presented by BMW between the F80 and the E90 M3's. This power increase combined with a claimed weight loss by 220 pounds would make for an M3 that performs very well.

      The thing is, 220 pounds is a lot to shave off the F30. And if the F80 M3 undercuts the E90 M3 by 220 pounds that means it would weigh somewhere in the 33XX pound range. Owners have weighed their E92/E90 M3's in the 35XX pound range. Confusion arises that the E9X is heavy because BMW lists its European weight which includes a 75kg driver.

      BMW claims the current F30 335i weighs 3555 pounds. So, about what an E92 M3 weighs. That would mean if the rumor for 100 kg weight loss were correct the F80 M3 would undercut the F30 335i and E92 M3 by 220 pounds. That means weight less than an E46 M3 as well, not happening. What is more likely is that BMW will undercut the 3704 pound curb weight they provide for the E92 M3 putting the F80 M3 somewhere in the 35XX pound range or just about the exact same as the E90/E92.

      We will find out soon enough with the car expected at the Los Angeles Auto Show in November.




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      1. Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        Tony@VargasTurboTech -
        Am I the only one who thinks this new M3 is really ugly?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        Am I the only one who thinks this new M3 is really ugly?
        I think those are just terrible renderings. No flares, no nothing.
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Can't wait to get my hands on one. Will order as soon as the dealership will take our money. Click here to enlarge
      1. Wannbm5's Avatar
        Wannbm5 -
        This is really easy. Just like every other m3, it will weigh 50 more pounds then the 335 or maybe a bit less given its engine is also a 6 banger now. So essentially it will weigh the same as the e90 (as does the 335 pretty much) and the same as the e9x m3. It is laughable how so many people even went as far to say they did not buy an e9x or skipped this generation because it was too porky, yet they defend and drive the e46 m3 when in reality the difference is about 150 pounds and not over 200 as most think.

        Either way this new car will be about 3600 pounds and 400 wheel hp. Will slaughter a stock e9x m3 in speed no doubt. Frankly it will beat the m5 to 60 and quarter mile and in a drag race from anything rolling below 40mph the m3 will win. The m5 has too much torque for its own good down low and cannot get traction until 40 plus mph. So for a day to day car this will feel much faster as it will lay down the power better as it has a bit less so will hopefully not burn out in 1st and 2nd. Redline will be 7400.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Not much of a surprise that they're increasing the power to compensate for the weight they'd neveer be able to cut.
      1. Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        Tony@VargasTurboTech -
        Sticky you are prob right, and you and me both terry send me your turbos as soon as you get it. Ill make sure you got the goods...Click here to enlarge
      1. Wannbm5's Avatar
        Wannbm5 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Can't wait to get my hands on one. Will order as soon as the dealership will take our money. Click here to enlarge
        terry don't you think you will have to switch to flash tunes now that hand held devices are available for real tunes to allow people to do it at home? Not sure the chip market has a future market
      1. Terry@BMS's Avatar
        Terry@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        terry don't you think you will have to switch to flash tunes now that hand held devices are available for real tunes to allow people to do it at home? Not sure the chip market has a future market
        Happy to tune using whatever methods offer us the results and features our customers demand. Right now for higher HP cars that is a piggyback running some things and a flash running others. For lower HP cars it's piggyback only. For the new M3 I expect it will be some time before flash tuning is available so we'll focus on the piggyback from the get-go.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        Either way this new car will be about 3600 pounds and 400 wheel hp.
        Sounds about right to me. I would want ~420 wheel though.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wannbm5 Click here to enlarge
        terry don't you think you will have to switch to flash tunes now that hand held devices are available for real tunes to allow people to do it at home? Not sure the chip market has a future market
        Piggybacks are going to be a lot easier to release quickly after F3x M3/M4s hit the road. A lot more work has to go into flash based tuning (DME cracking, determining what coding = specific values, etc), but it's most certainly the "end game" and how you'll maximize performance.
      1. E90Company's Avatar
        E90Company -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech Click here to enlarge
        Am I the only one who thinks this new M3 is really ugly?
        +1000
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Sounds about right to me. I would want ~420 wheel though.
        Forget it... current m3 dynos 350-360, I think 390 WHP for a bone stock car would seem proper... Pair it with a solid DCT, rear end and proper gearing and we may have a real solid contender on our hands when it comes to tuning.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Forget it... current m3 dynos 350-360, I think 390 WHP for a bone stock car would seem proper... Pair it with a solid DCT, rear end and proper gearing and we may have a real solid contender on our hands when it comes to tuning.
        Anything under 4XX will be uncivilized.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Anything under 4XX will be uncivilized.

        so ~465-470 crank... no way in hell lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        so ~465-470 crank... no way in hell lol
        Why not? What does the M5 have at the crank despite what BMW rated it at? How many dyno's over 500 whp are there stock? It's underrated and this will be too.
      1. The Ghost's Avatar
        The Ghost -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why not? What does the M5 have at the crank despite what BMW rated it at? How many dyno's over 500 whp are there stock? It's underrated and this will be too.
        Or they'll put an n54 in it and Sticky's head will explode!
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by The Ghost Click here to enlarge
        Or they'll put an n54 in it and Sticky's head will explode!
        Well that isn't happening so a good thing.
      1. inter1032's Avatar
        inter1032 -
        looks too much like the 3 series..mehh
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inter1032 Click here to enlarge
        looks too much like the 3 series..mehh
        Just a rendering once again...
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        Terrible rendering.... The new m3 will be $$

        If not, at least prices on e92/e90 m3's will drop