• Not a fluke? F13 M6 proves it is faster than the Nissan GT-R (2012) from a roll

      The last time we saw these two cars do battle it almost caused a world forum war. Nissan GT-R fanboys could not believe their precious robot (excuse me, "Godzilla") got beat down hard and BMW fanboys rejoiced that the M6 was seemingly much stronger than the F10 M5. BS flags were thrown around, Nissan guys said it wasn't possible, and BimmerBoost took the stance that the race should be much closer. Something was fishy with that previous video and this new video answers some questions.


      The very first race shows that from a slow roll, the GT-R will have the advantage. Although the M6 does make up ground showing it pulls harder up top the race is very close with the GT-R edging the M6 which is forced to try to run it down. From a stop, this would have been ugly.

      The other two races are higher speed rolls and these favor the M6. The M6 does not run away easily as previously seen but in one of the runs where it gets a jump it continues to increase its distance. The GT-R is simply not able to catch or close distance against the car up top.

      So, this is a better video that better shows the cars respective strengths. The M6 is a highway monster whereas the GT-R excels more from lower speed situations where its all wheel drive and short gearing pay dividends. It would be interesting to see how a 2013 GTR which traps a little bit more mile per hour in the 1/4 mile than the 2012 model would fair against the M6. A wash? Maybe. This certainly isn't the end of the debate.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: M6 F12 Vs GTR 545Hp started by keikdasneak View original post
      Comments 32 Comments
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        M6 ftw...robot loses!
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Let's see a race with a tune only Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Let's see a race with a tune only Click here to enlarge
        Ok and all motor.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Even with my continuous complaining (re: NA vs turbo) - I still want to give this car a try. I had a chance with an M5 a few weekends back and should have taken it just to experience the engine. What's the weight difference on these cars? A few hundred pounds?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        What's the weight difference on these cars? A few hundred pounds?
        Between the M5 and M6 or between the GTR and M6?
      1. deemo319's Avatar
        deemo319 -
        Interesting.
      1. Linracing's Avatar
        Linracing -
        2013 GTR : 3829 lbs
        2013 M6 : 4255 lbs
        2013 M5 : 4387 lbs
      1. cstavaru's Avatar
        cstavaru -
        The 560hp engine from the F10/F13 seems to be underrated, like the dynos show. It was about time for BMW M to also be fast in a straight line and not only in corners Click here to enlarge
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        wow, we hv the same problem here in Puerto Rico the GODZILLA's were upset by and OLD Toyota Supra that ran the 1/2 mile at 197mph.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Between the M5 and M6 or between the GTR and M6?
        GTR and the M6 - looks like someone posted weights below.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
        The 560hp engine from the F10/F13 seems to be underrated, like the dynos show. It was about time for BMW M to also be fast in a straight line and not only in corners Click here to enlarge
        The "fast in corners" times are gone for BMW M. Now it's all about offsetting the massive weight with huge hp numbers.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by keikdasneak Click here to enlarge
        2013 GTR : 3829 lbs
        2013 M6 : 4255 lbs
        2013 M5 : 4387 lbs
        Your M6 number is wrong, it's 4088.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        GTR and the M6 - looks like someone posted weights below.
        That person posted the wrong weights.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        The "fast in corners" times are gone for BMW M. Now it's all about offsetting the massive weight with huge hp numbers.
        Weren't you saying how great M is now?
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Weren't you saying how great M is now?
        Where did I say that? I just said that the engine is not the most important part of an M car and that they got it right with the 1M.

        Actually I was at a little meet last weekend with 5 local 1Ms. Really nice cars! One day you'll look back and say those Luxembourgish folks were right lol
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        Where did I say that? I just said that the engine is not the most important part of an M car and that they got it right with the 1M.

        Actually I was at a little meet last weekend with 5 local 1Ms. Really nice cars! One day you'll look back and say those Luxembourgish folks were right lol
        Considering you are saying they need turbo motors with big torque to offset the huge weight gains meaning the M's have become one-dimensional plays right into my comments about M being dead.

        These cars would all be much more satisfying to drive if they weighed much less and had NA motors. You know, like what they should be?
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That person posted the wrong weights.
        Click here to enlarge

        Makes sense - I thought the M6 was a few hundred pounds less than the 5.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Considering you are saying they need turbo motors with big torque to offset the huge weight gains meaning the M's have become one-dimensional plays right into my comments about M being dead.

        These cars would all be much more satisfying to drive if they weighed much less and had NA motors. You know, like what they should be?
        You know, if M announced a breathtaking sportscar comparable to a F458 with a screaming V8 for the price of an M3, I'd start saving yesterday. But if the S65 is the best they can come up with in NA form nowadays, then no thanks.

        Maybe the M2 (if it ever comes) would be the right platform for a S54 Mk2. Given the success of the 1M, I'm sure it would sell like hot pancakes.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Autobahn335i Click here to enlarge
        You know, if M announced a breathtaking sportscar comparable to a F458 with a screaming V8 for the price of an M3, I'd start saving yesterday. But if the S65 is the best they can come up with in NA form nowadays, then no thanks.
        They came up with the S85 in 2005, you don't think they can do better? They took that motor to 580 horsepower themselves in the M5 CSL. Good enough for you?
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They came up with the S85 in 2005, you don't think they can do better? They took that motor to 580 horsepower themselves in the M5 CSL. Good enough for you?
        Now convince BMW to put that engine in a reasonably prized, lightweight sportscar and you're my hero Click here to enlarge

        We can't turn back time, unfortunately.