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    • Russians claiming a 1300+ wheel horsepower S85 V10 E63 M6 with nitrous plus ESS-Tuning supercharger kit? The miracle at the dyno

      So let's see here, some random Russian garage is claiming 1370 wheel horsepower (seriously) with an ESS-Tuning supercharged E63 M6 and nitrous. The claim is with 98 octane fuel and a stock motor no less. I mean if you are going to lie at least make it somewhat believable. The most powerful S85 V10 in the world is V.S. Motors twin turbo S85 V10 with an output of 1850 horses on methanol with a 4.8 liter block whose bore was decreased for more material.


      Now you are telling me some random Russian garage with an ESS kit running a tiny V3si blower (That the 4.0 liter S65 V8 in the M3 is capable of easily maxing) with some nitrous thrown on top is making 1370 wheel horsepower on 98 octane gas with 14.5 psi of boost and nitrous? Oh that's funny.

      If this shop wants to prove this, run the dyno in shootout mode please. What you see here is dyno manipulation at its finest. It's a load of crap ladies and gentlemen. First of all, RPI on a Dyno Dynamics with a full bolt on M5 plus the ESS supercharger kit only managed 576.8 wheel horsepower. So another 800 wheel horsepower is just some more boost and nitrous away? That isn't an optimistic dyno the Russians are just running, it is full on capable of miracles.

      The V3si due to the volumetric efficiency of the S85 likely won't even hit 14.5 psi without being severely overspun. The blower is only listed as capable of supporting 775 horsepower at the crank anyway by Vortech:


      ESS-Tuning themselves claims on 93 octane AKI (98 RON, like what the Russians are claiming to use) 640 horsepower at the crank with 6 psi of boost. Independent dynos have shown up to 560 wheel horsepower in STD correction or 540 wheel horsepower in SAE on a dynojet. That's a hell of a long way from 1370 wheel horsepower.

      Ok, let's give the benefit of the doubt. Let's say 6 psi of boost gets the car to 560 wheel horsepower. That's about 23.3 wheel horsepower per psi of boost. Let's go all the way to 14.5 psi which would be roughly 757 wheel horsepower and beyond the capability of the blower but let's just ignore that. That still leaves over 613 wheel horsepower to be generated by the nitrous and nothing under the hood there shows the type of direct port setup with a good amount of race fuel being fed in to supplement the nitrous necessary to even approach a 1/4 of that output.

      Ladies and gentlemen, this is simply someone with a Dyno Dynamics who played with the settings and is essentially trolling everyone. One has to be completely naive to believe some random tuner took an off the shelf kit, added some nitrous, and hit close to 1400 horsepower. If anyone for some reason believes this ask them to do this again in shootout mode. It will never happen.

      Let's just put it this way, see that 729.8 number from the previous pull in the vidieo? It's still optimistic but at least closer to what the car is really putting out. We have the Miracle on Ice. The Russians now have the Miracle on the Dyno.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: 1300hp S85? Yup. Dyno vid to prove it started by DFM View original post
      Comments 59 Comments
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        LOL WTF hahaa
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Don't understand how that is possible.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Built motor, only way
      1. fastgti69's Avatar
        fastgti69 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
        Built motor, only way
        Right, but it states stock motor/trans. And even having a built motor low compression. I don't think a blower would be sufficient enough to make that much power. Esp only on 14.7 psi even if nitrous oxide is an aid. That must be one high reading dyno.
      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Oh, stock motor and transmission? LOL yeeaah, no
      1. Linracing's Avatar
        Linracing -
        Wow amazing. If they start putting out over 800 whp I will buy one asap.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        1. its PS not SAE/STD/UNC HP
        2. see that spike early, trans will let go soon

        3. still badass
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        LOL that was a joke right? It was one number then it changed.
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        I myself have a hard time believing that this car is really making this kind of HP. The car will be at Moscow unlim 500, and the owner says he will detail the build once he see's how it does there. Curious to see how this car unfolds....
      1. 1Zed4's Avatar
        1Zed4 -
        I think it was twin charged? super and turbo charged, not a stock engine.
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 1Zed4 Click here to enlarge
        I think it was twin charged? super and turbo charged, not a stock engine.
        What makes you say that? I don't believe there are any successful turbo applications for the S85 at this time...

        EDIT: now that I watch it again, it almost sounds like there is a turbo spooling up in the video, but it is a low quality video so who knows Click here to enlarge
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        LOL that was a joke right? It was one number then it changed.
        That was the graph from their previous run.
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DFM Click here to enlarge
        That was the graph from their previous run.
        Ah ok.

        No way that tiny blower is making 1300hp at 14psi. It's either twin-supercharged or twincharged with a turbo somewhere (and that I doubt -- that's a very complicated setup). Maybe they're spraying the piss out of it with a staged nitrous setup or something.
      1. hifiguy@gaphix's Avatar
        hifiguy@gaphix -
        Friend of mine SC'd his m6 but he wasn't even near 900hp. Must be a turbo setup.
      1. DFM's Avatar
        DFM -
        Im guessing they are spraying the piss out of the engine. I read in the comments that they plan to dial it back to 1000-1100 for reliability.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        So let's see here, some random Russian garage is claiming 1370 wheel horsepower (seriously) with an ESS-Tuning supercharged E63 M6 and nitrous. The claim is with 98 octane fuel and a stock motor no less. I mean if you are going to lie at least make it somewhat believable. The most powerful S85 V10 in the world is V.S. Motors twin turbo S85 V10 with an output of 1850 horses on methanol with a 4.8 liter block whose bore was decreased for more material.

        Click here to enlarge

        Now you are telling me some random Russian garage with an ESS kit running a tiny V3si blower (That the 4.0 liter S65 V8 in the M3 is capable of easily maxing) with some nitrous thrown on top is making 1370 wheel horsepower on 98 octane gas with 14.5 psi of boost and nitrous? Oh that's funny.

        If this shop wants to prove this, run the dyno in shootout mode please. What you see here is dyno manipulation at its finest. It's a load of crap ladies and gentlemen. First of all, RPI on a Dyno Dynamics with a full bolt on M5 plus the ESS supercharger kit only managed 576.8 wheel horsepower. So another 800 wheel horsepower is just some more boost and nitrous away? That isn't an optimistic dyno the Russians are just running, it is full on capable of miracles.

        The V3si due to the volumetric efficiency of the S85 likely won't even hit 14.5 psi without being severely overspun. The blower is only listed as capable of supporting 775 horsepower at the crank anyway by Vortech:

        Click here to enlarge

        ESS-Tuning themselves claims on 93 octane AKI (98 RON, like what the Russians are claiming to use) 640 horsepower at the crank with 6 psi of boost. Independent dynos have shown up to 560 wheel horsepower in STD correction or 540 wheel horsepower in SAE on a dynojet. That's a hell of a long way from 1370 wheel horsepower.

        Ok, let's give the benefit of the doubt. Let's say 6 psi of boost gets the car to 560 wheel horsepower. That's about 23.3 wheel horsepower per psi of boost. Let's go all the way to 14.5 psi which would be roughly 757 wheel horsepower and beyond the capability of the blower but let's just ignore that. That still leaves over 613 wheel horsepower to be generated by the nitrous and nothing under the hood there shows the type of direct port setup with a good amount of race fuel being fed in to supplement the nitrous necessary to even approach a 1/4 of that output.

        Ladies and gentlemen, this is simply someone with a Dyno Dynamics who played with the settings and is essentially trolling everyone. One has to be completely naive to believe some random tuner took an off the shelf kit, added some nitrous, and hit close to 1400 horsepower. If anyone for some reason believes this ask them to do this again in shootout mode. It will never happen.

        Let's just put it this way, see that 729.8 number from the previous pull in the vidieo? It's still optimistic but at least closer to what the car is really putting out. We have the Miracle on Ice. The Russians now have the Miracle on the Dyno.

      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DFM Click here to enlarge
        Im guessing they are spraying the piss out of the engine. I read in the comments that they plan to dial it back to 1000-1100 for reliability.
        What I'm guessing is that they are full of $#@!.

        Come on people, this is complete BS. Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fastgti69 Click here to enlarge
        Don't understand how that is possible.
        It isn't.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks Click here to enlarge
        Built motor, only way
        Even with a built motor still not happening.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DFM Click here to enlarge
        I don't believe there are any successful turbo applications for the S85 at this time...
        Yes there are.