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    • BMW not completely abandoning the manual transmission just yet, upcoming F22 2-Series interior spied - 235i? M235i?

      With all the dual clutch transmission talk and even companies like Porsche doing what was thought unthinkable and giving their purest drivers car a dual clutch transmission over a manual it's nice to see BMW not completely abandoning the transmission. The car you see here is the upcoming F22 2-Series which will take the place of the 1-Series in the USA. It will also be the competitor for the Mercedes-Benz CLA and the Audi A3 Sedan.

      The car we see here is likely a 235i or possibly an M235i to rival the new Mercedes-Benz CLA45 AMG as the more aggressive body work points to. The 7K redline on the tachometer and also the dual exhaust setup would point toward a turbo six cylinder likely an N55 just like the F20 M135i. This would likely just be the 2-Series version of that same car mirroring the drivetrain.

      Well, it's coming and this one actually will be available in the USA unlike the M135i.






















      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW not completely abandoning the manual transmission just yet, upcoming F22 2-Series interior spied - 235i? M235i? started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster -
        There's no 135i and there won't be a 235i, either. That's gotta be an M235i.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        There's no 135i and there won't be a 235i, either. That's gotta be an M235i.
        Why not 235i?
      1. cstavaru's Avatar
        cstavaru -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why not 235i?
        Because the M235i is a 235i with M-Sport package and a 15hp Power Kit. Not a real M. Probably for marketing reasons they decided to put a larger gap between the regular 2-series and the "M" 2-series, so the 235i won't be built. This is also the case with the current F20 135i which does not exist, only the M135i.
      1. ChuckD05's Avatar
        ChuckD05 -
        I dig it...If tony comes out with a n55 turbo upgrade this would be a fun car..
      1. SleepersOwn's Avatar
        SleepersOwn -
        Pretty cool they're keeping the stick. Thumbs up to bmw for that.

        On a side note, the camo used on these test cars are also pretty cool lol.
      1. Remonster's Avatar
        Remonster -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why not 235i?
        Look at BMW's website in any country where the M135i is currently sold, the lineup goes straight from 128i to M135i. Who would want the extra power of the N55 + power kit without also wanting the upgraded bushings, sport steering system, sport auto, M Sport exhaust system, dynamic dampers, M Sport brakes, etc. that you get with the M135i?
      1. bigdnno98's Avatar
        bigdnno98 -
        This means that the M2 better have a dedicated M Motor and be leaps and bounds better than the N55 or else what is going to justify the M tax that is going to be added to the 2 series price tag. I'm interested to see the price difference between the M235i, M2, M3 and M4.
      1. inlineS54B32's Avatar
        inlineS54B32 -
        Not sure if anyone saw this post yet, if not - it's the next M3 (new video as of 17th of April) on the 'ring... I think it sounds like it has a manual as opposed to DCT - however, he doesn't shift often and holds gears nearly all the time... When he does shift though, the shifts sound too unperfect or maybe not fast enough? It's super hard to tell from a video like this, but curious if you guys hear the same thing: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...M3-Nurburgring
      1. deemo319's Avatar
        deemo319 -
        The F22 M2 will be the ride.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by cstavaru Click here to enlarge
        Because the M235i is a 235i with M-Sport package and a 15hp Power Kit. Not a real M. Probably for marketing reasons they decided to put a larger gap between the regular 2-series and the "M" 2-series, so the 235i won't be built. This is also the case with the current F20 135i which does not exist, only the M135i.
        You don't have to sell me on not being a real M but I don't know why the 235i would not be built unless the M235i completely takes its place which doesn't happen with the 135i I don't think right?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
        Look at BMW's website in any country where the M135i is currently sold, the lineup goes straight from 128i to M135i. Who would want the extra power of the N55 + power kit without also wanting the upgraded bushings, sport steering system, sport auto, M Sport exhaust system, dynamic dampers, M Sport brakes, etc. that you get with the M135i?
        Ok that makes more sense then but this car will also have gran coupe and convertible variants namely at least the convertible so you think they will just do M235i for everything? I mean I guess they will just water down the M name into the ground.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by inlineS54B32 Click here to enlarge
        Not sure if anyone saw this post yet, if not - it's the next M3 (new video as of 17th of April) on the 'ring... I think it sounds like it has a manual as opposed to DCT - however, he doesn't shift often and holds gears nearly all the time... When he does shift though, the shifts sound too unperfect or maybe not fast enough? It's super hard to tell from a video like this, but curious if you guys hear the same thing: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...M3-Nurburgring
        The M3 will have a manual this time around but it's likely the last hurrah.
      1. maxnix's Avatar
        maxnix -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SleepersOwn Click here to enlarge
        Pretty cool they're keeping the stick. Thumbs up to bmw for that.
        Yes, that is good, but 8AT will be faster in acceleration.

        If not 7DCT, then no M235i for me.
      1. maxnix's Avatar
        maxnix -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by deemo319 Click here to enlarge
        The F22 M2 will be the ride.
        Maybe not if BMW goes I4 in a chassis designed to accommodate an I6.
      1. SleepersOwn's Avatar
        SleepersOwn -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by maxnix Click here to enlarge
        Yes, that is good, but 8AT will be faster in acceleration.

        If not 7DCT, then no M235i for me.

        True, if you're only concern is ease of driving and being quicker, I can see that being alot of people's choice. However, there's a sect of people who enjoys the experience of rowing through the gears a bit more than tapping a paddle. And for BMW to still cater to that kind is a good thing. Porsche still gets it as well.