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    • The N54 finally comes into its own - Vargas Turbo Tech Stage 3 N54 (335/135) twin turbocharger upgrade sets new N54 horsepower record with 693 wheel dyno

      Congratulations are in order to Vargas Turbo Tech as well as Cobb tuning and ProTuning Freaks for raising the bar as to what the BMW N54 inline-6 twin turbo motor is capable of. There are two platform records here the first of which it is important to note was achieved without methanol injection. There are certain tuners on the N54 platform that mask their ability to upgrade and control the stock fueling system and any fueling issues are "solved" by dumping in a ton of methanol.

      Well, with no meth and the cars own fuel system (with High Pressure Fuel Pump tweaks courtesy of Vargas Turbo Tech) responsible for all the fueling 673 wheel horsepower was achieved in STD correction on a Dynojet. That is a record for horsepower on the platform without methanol injection and was done with a blend of MS109 fuel and 93 octane.

      Meth injection was then added and the figures rose to 693 wheel horsepower. If more time was available for the parties involved including Josh at Cobb as well as Jake and Dzeeno at ProTuning Freaks the 700 wheel barrier likely would have been crossed. This will happen sooner rather than later now but this is still a major milestone and a new era the N54 is entering. The motor is finally starting to mature and although it is not on a comparable power level yet with the top BMW aftermarket options this is a huge step step forward for a platform that spent considerable time in limbo due to fueling and tuning issues.

      It must be satisfying for all involved especially Vargas Turbo who was doubted by many early on due to being a fresh entrant on the N54 tuning scene with many fanboys blindly following another tuner providing a turbo upgrade. Vargas Turbo Tech, Cobb, and PTF have surprisingly quickly surpassed the results from a competing turbo kit that uses a single turbo setup and have done so without relying on meth injection band-aids. A true fueling upgrade is here as well as a turbo upgrade making some serious power and setting the standard.

      Congratulations and much respect to all the parties involved, dyno graphs and videos are below.

      693WHP 572WTQ Graph:


      693 WHP 572WTQ Graph 0 Smoothing:


      Back to back no meth / meth run
      673WHP 564WTQ no meth / 680WHP 556WTQ


      A few runs stacked to see how consistent the car is:


      693WHP 572WTQ with speed to prove it was in 4th gear:


      Octane Calculator pic:


      693WHP 572WTQ Pull video:


      Back to back no meth / meth run:


      This article was originally published in forum thread: 693WHP 572WTQ - 98 Octane, with meth - 673 WHP 564 WTQ 98 Octane NO Meth VTT VTX-R63 Early Dynos PTF / COBB Protune started by VargasTurboTech View original post
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      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SexiPYm3 Click here to enlarge
        Not sure if this what mentioned earlier, but what would it cost to get a stock 335 to this type of power?
        $10k
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SexiPYm3 Click here to enlarge
        Not sure if this what mentioned earlier, but what would it cost to get a stock 335 to this type of power?
        You're gonna need every basic bolt-ons except for DPs (so at minimum, a COBB AP, quality FMIC, upgraded charge pipe & diverter valves/blow off valve to withstand higher boost), upgraded Low Pressure & High Pressure Fuel Pumps, the Stage 3 Turbo Kit AND supporting mods -- Upgraded clutch, Suspension, Driveshafts & LSD.

        AND labor.

        SO yea, $10k is an accurate ballpark figure
      1. hookandpull's Avatar
        hookandpull -
        So much butthurt in this thread...
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by V8Bait Click here to enlarge
        This engine was BMW's first foray into forced induction gasoline motors in a very long time, in modern times at least.The fact it does so well and has developed this kind of following will ensure its place in history, BMW and general automotive.I think a better comparison for the N54 is the Gallo 12 anyway.
        Nah gallo 24 man
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        You're gonna need every basic bolt-ons except for DPs (so at minimum, a COBB AP, quality FMIC, upgraded charge pipe & diverter valves/blow off valve to withstand higher boost), upgraded Low Pressure & High Pressure Fuel Pumps, the Stage 3 Turbo Kit AND supporting mods -- Upgraded clutch, Suspension, Driveshafts & LSD.

        AND labor.

        SO yea, $10k is an accurate ballpark figure
        10k is waay off

        $2k in boltons, $600 odd in cobb, $1500 BEST CASE for diff, $8500 in turbo, $500 HPFP, $200LPFP... $1k (?) in driveshafts

        Not counting labour, so, $15k maaaaybe in parts alone.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        The MkIV Supra came out in 1993 with 320hp stock (twin turbo). It wasn't till 2008-2009 till things started getting serious with laggy upgraded twins and single turbos. Many had nitrous too to help with the spool. ~675whp was the big power number at that time - I remember it well.

        Looks like we are on a similar path right now with the N54. Of course, its much harder with the N54 - the DME and fuel system make it much harder. Hell, the 2JZ was OBD1 for the first few years!!!
        I remember seeing loads of 800whp/1000whp 2007 and before

        i mean... Obviously not every second one like it is now, nor for the price of today... But certainly 2002 and onwards had leaps and bounds.. Reading SAU and 2002-2003 was when serious power became *possible*

        675whp for a 2j in 2009 sounds awfully low
      1. Kollegga's Avatar
        Kollegga -
        Tony ....

        this is really awesome !

        Will you also offer some stealth packaging without "VARGAS" lettering on top of the kit ?!
        This would be very nice... if u open the hood and nobody can see (especially the men in green) whats in it Click here to enlarge
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Typo - derp. 1998-1999 is what I meant to type Click here to enlarge . Cars were over 1k in 2001.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        I remember seeing loads of 800whp/1000whp 2007 and before

        i mean... Obviously not every second one like it is now, nor for the price of today... But certainly 2002 and onwards had leaps and bounds.. Reading SAU and 2002-2003 was when serious power became *possible*

        675whp for a 2j in 2009 sounds awfully low
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@VAC Click here to enlarge
        The MkIV Supra came out in 1993 with 320hp stock (twin turbo). It wasn't till 1998-1999 till things started getting serious with laggy upgraded twins and single turbos. Many had nitrous too to help with the spool. ~675whp was the big power number at that time - I remember it well.

        Looks like we are on a similar path right now with the N54. Of course, its much harder with the N54 - the DME and fuel system make it much harder. Hell, the 2JZ was OBD1 for the first few years!!!
        I remember Bryce's car making 894whp. That was with a T88-34D (very laggy turbo) and the spray. All these cars were running on alphabet soup at the time. Remember the VPC/BCC/FCD/APC combos? One for converting from meth to speed density; complete with a 'chip' on the VPC that allowed different injector sizes; then an APC-like thing for controlling fuel (which did so by tricking the ECU and causing more advanced timing to be run because it was just jumping around in a table), then the BCC for the boost-cut controller to lie to the ECU about the amount of boost to be run, then a FCD as a fuel-cut defender to keep the fuel from being cut.

        And the Supra was pretty much always OBD1, the only OBD2 cars were the 97+98 and barely any of those were sold. 96 might have been, I can't recall (I do remember that there were no manual 96s due to emissions compliance).
      1. Mike@VAC's Avatar
        Mike@VAC -
        Yea man - around that time I realized how cool the Internets were going to be for us car guys. I attended Vegas 98 and 00 too.

        I still have most of the HKS stuff in the basement. The AEM P&P was a godsend! I still have one of those too.

        Anyways, long live the N54. The 2JZ is already in the record books, it's time to get the N54 there Click here to enlarge

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        I remember Bryce's car making 894whp. That was with a T88-34D (very laggy turbo) and the spray. All these cars were running on alphabet soup at the time. Remember the VPC/BCC/FCD/APC combos? One for converting from meth to speed density; complete with a 'chip' on the VPC that allowed different injector sizes; then an APC-like thing for controlling fuel (which did so by tricking the ECU and causing more advanced timing to be run because it was just jumping around in a table), then the BCC for the boost-cut controller to lie to the ECU about the amount of boost to be run, then a FCD as a fuel-cut defender to keep the fuel from being cut.

        And the Supra was pretty much always OBD1, the only OBD2 cars were the 97+98 and barely any of those were sold. 96 might have been, I can't recall (I do remember that there were no manual 96s due to emissions compliance).
      1. Sered's Avatar
        Sered -
        Bleh I meant to say MAF to Speed density; not meth. Dunno how that happened.

        And yeah, everything (and I mean everything) changed when the AEM PnP came out. I remember the original thread on SF like it was yesterday Click here to enlarge That $#@! was on backorder for a year; and for a while there was so much demand for it that it slowed the release of other platforms.

        You could probably sell the HKS stuff to a museum lol
      1. brusk's Avatar
        brusk -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sered Click here to enlarge
        I remember Bryce's car making 894whp. That was with a T88-34D (very laggy turbo) and the spray. All these cars were running on alphabet soup at the time. Remember the VPC/BCC/FCD/APC combos? One for converting from meth to speed density; complete with a 'chip' on the VPC that allowed different injector sizes; then an APC-like thing for controlling fuel (which did so by tricking the ECU and causing more advanced timing to be run because it was just jumping around in a table), then the BCC for the boost-cut controller to lie to the ECU about the amount of boost to be run, then a FCD as a fuel-cut defender to keep the fuel from being cut.

        And the Supra was pretty much always OBD1, the only OBD2 cars were the 97+98 and barely any of those were sold. 96 might have been, I can't recall (I do remember that there were no manual 96s due to emissions compliance).
        This is exactly why I wouldn't say the DME and DI is holding the N54 back anymore than imports back then. All the HKS gear was more expensive than we are spending on a tuner and the bolt ons. And I can assure you alot of N54's are running better times with less power than most of these imports (non professional) were in the late 90's and early 00's. I watched the MSP Efantis boys at the track with their Supra's for a few years trying to figure out how launch a car that has too much turbo, stumble off the line or have electrical hiccups and run a 13 with 800HP. But it was pretty hilarious to watch somebody try to get into some boost before the other car hit the finish.
      1. Tony@VargasTurboTech's Avatar
        Tony@VargasTurboTech -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Kollegga Click here to enlarge
        Tony ....

        this is really awesome !

        Will you also offer some stealth packaging without "VARGAS" lettering on top of the kit ?!
        This would be very nice... if u open the hood and nobody can see (especially the men in green) whats in it Click here to enlarge
        All that is is a sticker, you can take it off if you want. Jake and Josh from Cobb were both like, thats a sticker, how has it not melted off its right above the turbos. Thats how good our heat shield is at deflecting the heat back down. hundreds of WOT pulls and a LOT of miles and the thing looks brand new...Click here to enlarge
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        10k is waay off

        $2k in boltons, $600 odd in cobb, $1500 BEST CASE for diff, $8500 in turbo, $500 HPFP, $200LPFP... $1k (?) in driveshafts

        Not counting labour, so, $15k maaaaybe in parts alone.
        $2k in bolt ons, $600 cobb, $8500 vtt, $700 hpfp/lpfp

        sorry, about $11k. the question was to GET the power, not put it down Click here to enlarge
      1. cstavaru's Avatar
        cstavaru -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Turkeybaster115 Click here to enlarge
        You need to get over your unhealthy fixation with me. I also don't need all that bad blood.
        He's just trying to downplay the greatness of the N54 engine...don't worry, it's not personal, it's for anyone trying to compare the N54 with the best stock engines out there Click here to enlarge
      1. Wescuddles's Avatar
        Wescuddles -
        Tony/dzenno, will you guys be offering ots maps with cobb in conjunction with this kit? Or is it required we get a pro tune?

        Sorry if a noob question.

        Thanks
      1. Carl Morris's Avatar
        Carl Morris -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Wescuddles Click here to enlarge
        Tony/dzenno, will you guys be offering ots maps with cobb in conjunction with this kit? Or is it required we get a pro tune?

        Sorry if a noob question.

        Thanks
        It's actually a good question, long term. I don't expect dzenno to give away any of his work, but Cobb has been very slow to give all the ATR people the ability to control boost above a certain point. I'm hoping that changes because otherwise a pro tune will be the only way. So really it's more a question for Cobb than for Tony/dzenno. If Cobb also released a basic OTS map that will at least somewhat control the wastegates properly for that hardware that will just be a bonus.
      1. Wescuddles's Avatar
        Wescuddles -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Carl Morris Click here to enlarge
        It's actually a good question, long term. I don't expect dzenno to give away any of his work, but Cobb has been very slow to give all the ATR people the ability to control boost above a certain point. I'm hoping that changes because otherwise a pro tune will be the only way. So really it's more a question for Cobb than for Tony/dzenno. If Cobb also released a basic OTS map that will at least somewhat control the wastegates properly for that hardware that will just be a bonus.
        Thanks for the info. I plan on buying a kit but don't have anyone near by for a pro tune so an ots map for me would be ideal. Obviously, in a perfect world, where I had tens of thousands of dollars I could ship the car south for proper tuning. Unfortunately that doesn't quite fit my budget.
      1. Josh@Cobb's Avatar
        Josh@Cobb -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Carl Morris Click here to enlarge
        It's actually a good question, long term. I don't expect dzenno to give away any of his work, but Cobb has been very slow to give all the ATR people the ability to control boost above a certain point. I'm hoping that changes because otherwise a pro tune will be the only way. So really it's more a question for Cobb than for Tony/dzenno. If Cobb also released a basic OTS map that will at least somewhat control the wastegates properly for that hardware that will just be a bonus.
        The wastegates work like stock, so we had no issues there at all. I learned a lot while we worked on the car, so I'll be doing my best to implement changes to make for even better control. This stuff is very time consuming and I'm not trying to keep anything from end-users, we just need to get everything working and completely stable before release. The initial "race code" is not at this state and that's why it hasn't been released. Should be exciting times coming very soon. Don't worry, when it makes it to ATP, it will make it ATR at the same time (or close to it).
      1. marv85's Avatar
        marv85 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Josh@Cobb Click here to enlarge
        The wastegates work like stock, so we had no issues there at all. I learned a lot while we worked on the car, so I'll be doing my best to implement changes to make for even better control. This stuff is very time consuming and I'm not trying to keep anything from end-users, we just need to get everything working and completely stable before release. The initial "race code" is not at this state and that's why it hasn't been released. Should be exciting times coming very soon. Don't worry, when it makes it to ATP, it will make it ATR at the same time (or close to it).
        Good stuff!