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    • M156 versus M156, Black Series versus Black Series, Weistec versus Weistec - Supercharged Stage III+ 1000+ horsepower CLK63 AMG BS and 750+ horsepower Stage III C63 AMG BS go at it

      Some very interesting sibling rivalry to see here especially for M156 V8 63 AMG enthusiasts. Both cars here are Black Series with the W209 CLK63 AMG Black Series obviously being the older of the two using the 7G transmission with a torque converter and the W204 C63 AMG Black Series being the newer car featuring the newer 7-speed MCT Speedshift automatic which does not have a torque converter. Both cars have the M156 6.2 liter V8 although the C63 AMG Black Series has stronger engine internals and makes more power from the factory.


      The internals are strong for the C63 Black Series which still runs the factory engine internals but the CLK63 Black Series has a Weistec built motor setup with forged internal engine components. Those components are said to be good for over 1000 horsepower making them stronger than what the C63 AMG has from the factory.

      Regardless, both cars also employ the 3.0 liter twin screw blower used in Weistec Stage III supercharged applications. The difference being one is making much more boost as the C63 AMG is said to be somewhere around 11 psi. What boost and other mods the CLK runs is anyone's guess as the owner tends to be difficult to deal with thinking his car is the fastest thing on planet Earth whose setup should be treated with the same secrecy as nuclear launch codes as if on the same level of importance. The CLK is likely somewhere in the 9XX rear wheel horsepower range while the C63 is somewhere in the upper 6XX wheel horsepower range.

      So, on one hand we have similar base motors, although one built with aftermarket components, both running the same supercharger. On the other hand we have one car which has a Weistec built "Bulletproof" AMG 722.9 7G transmission while the other has the factory AMG 7-speed MCT. Weight is close from the factory but the CLK has been lightened quite a bit so that works in its favor. The CLK is tuned for race gas though while the C63 is tuned for pump gas.

      So what is the result? Well, not hard to guess but nice to see the comparison between the two cars. Video below.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: M156 versus M156, Black Series versus Black Series, Weistec versus Weistec - Supercharged Stage III+ CLK63 AMG BS and Stage III C63 AMG BS go at it started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        Now George that is funny.

        It is expected that the article would be light and inaccurate on technical detail when the author did not even bother to show up at a dinner he organised for the night before the event. The author could have sat down and discussed the car with said CLK owner and gotten the actual facts rather than making assumptions.
        What dinner I organized? What are you talking about?

        Article is 100% accurate in technical details which one isn't? OMG sorry I wrote 5-speed instead of 7G and edited it before you ever read it.

        If anything you have thrown out a lot of comments as of late without accuracy. Junk like MS109, E85 tuning, etc. You just keep guessing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ecampbell Click here to enlarge
        To clarify, the dinner i was referring to was at no fly....combining this with the last event, you could have written a nice unbiased article.
        To clarify I was there I just actually happened to be with the CLK owner you were referring to as well as Weistec and trust me I asked questions. Maybe you shouldn't talk when you don't know what you are talking about? It's a pattern.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Maybe, but I think I nailed the tech specs. And the article is accurate.
        Not really:

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Regardless, both cars also employ the 3.0 liter twin screw blower used in Weistec Stage III supercharged applications. The difference being one is making much more boost as the C63 AMG is said to be somewhere around 11 psi. What boost and other mods the CLK runs is anyone's guess as the owner tends to be difficult to deal with
        You sure about this ?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        You sure about this ?
        Unless they went to a bigger blower recently but nobody told me or the forum so it's 100% accurate based on what has been posted thus far and what I have seen.
      1. Black Sheep's Avatar
        Black Sheep -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Do you have any idea how many run videos will be articles? I don't put them all up at once they are spaced out. That WILL be an article.

        Why not let me handle it, ok?
        Relax
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by PetroC63 Click here to enlarge
        Ouch!

        Jim might be abrasive at times but lets give him and Weistec some much deserved credit. The car is an absolute beast regardless if you have issues with the owner. As a community we would all love to know the exact mods/boost on the vehicle but if the owners chooses not to disclose that is his prerogative.

        Just my .02
        How much more credit does one get than the front page? It's a fun article people are taking it negatively as if everything has to be negative when associated with someone who does nothing but spew negativity. I had fun with it, stated it was a great comparison, simple as that.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Unless they went to a bigger blower recently but nobody told me or the forum so it's 100% accurate based on what has been posted thus far and what I have seen.
        But that is my point. Jim, Earl and Even Weistec have said that they have new stuff being developed that they are currently testing and was being employed on the CLK in the video posted here. We all know this. So, to say that technically what you wrote is 100% accurate is not very....well, accurate.
        And just because you were not told does not mean it doesn't exist. Most journalists seek out information and make sure they are 100% accurate before printing something. They don't wait around to be told.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        @Sticky -
        I know you fancy yourself as a journalist and this site as a sort of news media outlet. But a good journalist would ever insult someone as overtly as you did here. Very unprofessional IMO. Especially when you know that the person you are insulting cannot currently comment. And also, writing an article about a car that you do not 100% know the specs of makes no sense to me. Jim, Earl and Weistec have said many times that these new developments on the CLK will be released in due time. Speculating about it while discrediting the owner seems a bit spiteful on your part.
        I'd strongly consider revising it.
        Saying someone is difficult to deal with, when they are, and they equating the way they talk about their car in a clearly exaggerated fashion to the highest of government secrecy is something called a joke.

        If ANY spec is wrong the comments exist to correct me. I see nothing yet and when I do I will correct until then those are the specs I am going with as they are the last known specs to be 100% accurate. I'm not going to guess.

        No revision will take place I think people are being WAY too sensitive when it comes to this and if you want a nice heartfelt article when it's your car I'd strongly suggest remembering that before insulting the guy who will be writing it across the website that he owns. It's not like I spit in his food but if an owner of a restaurant did after this guy behaved like a brat in it throwing over tables and insulting the staff I wouldn't be surprised and it may even be warranted.

        Nuclear launch codes, that $#@!'s funny.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LZH Click here to enlarge
        But that is my point. Jim, Earl and Even Weistec have said that they have new stuff being developed that they are currently testing and was being employed on the CLK in the video posted here. We all know this. So, to say that technically what you wrote is 100% accurate is not very....well, accurate.
        And just because you were not told does not mean it doesn't exist. Most journalists seek out information and make sure they are 100% accurate before printing something. They don't wait around to be told.
        Unless you know it is not accurate you are guessing. For all we know his changes are a suspension change. The car I have seen several times and I have asked about several times. I can only write what I know.
      1. George Smooth's Avatar
        George Smooth -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Maybe, but I think I nailed the tech specs. And the article is accurate. I think I would lean more toward funny than nasty. I didn't sit there calling him an arrogant pompous douchebag just poking fun at how he talks about his setup. Both would work btw.
        I think JR creates suspicion and curiousity about whats been done to his car or what is being tested and eventually it comes out once its ready to go onto Weistec's catalog.
        As for the secrecy of your car we will leave that for another topic or maybe soon we will see the mother of all build threads. At the moment you also put out bait the same way JR does with comments like "pump fuel record" but no figure.
        Don't know why the users of the board should be cock teased in this manner when they provide equal content that is factual and not in riddles. End of the day the path taken to do a build is far more interesting than the result for most enthusiasts.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Black Sheep Click here to enlarge
        #Truth, sooner or later all the major player benz owners will leave the site / or get neg repped an when people rep them back he will just neg rep them again.. So yeah people do get ban from this site... Click here to enlarge We had @JRCART in the green an than I go an check an hes back -54 in the red...
        No such thing as a ban because the site automatically gives users points. This isn't the place to discuss site policies any further discussion on any neg reps will be deleted and your account will be adjusted accordingly with said policies.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Black Sheep Click here to enlarge
        Relax
        Why aren't you taking your own advice? What's up with that?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        And also to any of you complaining if Weistec wants any changes they always get any changes they want and I can't remember any single time they were refused. If they're cool with it, I'm cool with it. It's a car forum people and this is a run comparison video. Some blog posts are lighthearted, others serious, a wide variety of topics are covered. Product releases often get a different tone. Lighten up and if someone can't post TEMPORARILY they can thank themselves. If it was any other site they would be banned and the users wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
      1. Black Sheep's Avatar
        Black Sheep -
        Thanks Sticky, that was cool...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Black Sheep Click here to enlarge
        Thanks Sticky, that was cool...
        Glad to hear it.
      1. Black Sheep's Avatar
        Black Sheep -
        lies
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Saying someone is difficult to deal with, when they are, and they equating the way they talk about their car in a clearly exaggerated fashion to the highest of government secrecy is something called a joke.
        Oh I got the joke - my point is that journalistically it has no place in the article. Unless of course you have an axe to grind. Seems I'm not the only one who feels this way.


        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        No revision will take place I think people are being WAY too sensitive when it comes to this and if you want a nice heartfelt article when it's your car I'd strongly suggest remembering that before insulting the guy who will be writing it across the website that he owns.
        So when you write an article about my car, or Jims car you are doing us a favor when all it does is drive traffic to your site ? How about at the NFZ event when Jim allowed you to sit in his C63 BS and video the run from inside the car while asking questions....you were doing him a favor or was he really allowing you to gather content for you site ? Seems like the latter to me.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Unless you know it is not accurate you are guessing. For all we know his changes are a suspension change. The car I have seen several times and I have asked about several times. I can only write what I know.
        I know 100% for a fact that it is inaccurate.

        You do know that there are parts on the CLK that have been in development and are close to being announced, right ? If that is the case, then you are guessing when you wrote the tech specs.
      1. PetroC63's Avatar
        PetroC63 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        How much more credit does one get than the front page? It's a fun article people are taking it negatively as if everything has to be negative when associated with someone who does nothing but spew negativity. I had fun with it, stated it was a great comparison, simple as that.

        I think people are taking it in a negative way because of the recent animosity between the two of you. If you say it was for fun, I'm cool with that.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
        I think JR creates suspicion and curiousity about whats been done to his car or what is being tested and eventually it comes out once its ready to go onto Weistec's catalog.
        As for the secrecy of your car we will leave that for another topic or maybe soon we will see the mother of all build threads. At the moment you also put out bait the same way JR does with comments like "pump fuel record" but no figure.
        Don't know why the users of the board should be cock teased in this manner when they provide equal content that is factual and not in riddles. End of the day the path taken to do a build is far more interesting than the result for most enthusiasts.
        You think I won't be posting a figure? Maybe I have so many articles in the queue that I can't just post everything at once? Would it really be interesting to have every article for a week on one day? No, something new every single day for each make is what I strive for and why I'm on here basically 24/7.

        The secrecy is fine, not my car but I can't talk about specs if I don't know them I can just talk about the specs I know. So when comparing the two setups I just wrote what I knew. Like it's hard to tell me, "oh hey that's not right" and then what? I won't change it?

        Well I can see how much my build was appreciated by this person you are defending. Like I ever disparaged this by making a joke in the manner that was done to me. Why don't I try some of that behavior and let's see how the forum responds? But oh, oh, because this guy happens to have a setup similar to yours that makes it somehow ok?

        The article is up, all coverage and posts proceed as normal, and if someone wants to participate here they should probably maintain a standard of decency. Too bad money doesn't buy you rep points... or class.