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    • BMW E92 335i with upgraded turbos and a BMW JB4 tune versus a tuned Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 from a roll

      Great race here between two cars that are closely matched. N54 owners will obviously enjoy seeing 335 beat an exotic as part of the appeal for the BMW 335 is affordable tuning. That's the reality of it and this 335 with a JB4 tune and upgraded RB turbos is able to be the ECU tuned Gallardo LP560-4. And this Lambo is a worthy opponent considering the stock car traps just under 130 miles per hour so with a decent tune it should be above that mark.


      The cars are close but the 335 is able to edge the LP560-4. Keep in mind though that the LP560 cars with the 5.2 V10 do not gain as much with a tune as the 5.2 R8. To reverse this outcome the Lambo would need a full exhaust and a retune maybe with some higher octane gas. As it sits it is likely in the high 400's to the wheels probably around ~480 which would put it at less power than a well tuned RB turbo 335i with a JB4 running race gas. It is not known what tune the Lambo is running however.

      Great run, video below..


      This article was originally published in forum thread: BMW E92 335i with upgraded turbos and a BMW JB4 tune versus a tuned Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 from a roll started by Sticky View original post
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      1. SleepersOwn's Avatar
        SleepersOwn -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Not a typo this 335 is going to be close to 130.
        I meant was saying the 560 does " just under 130 ". I could surely be ignorant to someone running faster but, I thought they trapped 122-123 ? Which confused me as your words suggested the 335 could be a 130+ car since the lambo could possibly do that with a tune. Eh, it doesn't matter. That's a pretty fast 335 !
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SleepersOwn Click here to enlarge
        I meant was saying the 560 does " just under 130 ". I could surely be ignorant to someone running faster but, I thought they trapped 122-123 ? Which confused me as your words suggested the 335 could be a 130+ car since the lambo could possibly do that with a tune. Eh, it doesn't matter. That's a pretty fast 335 !
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        I think the 127 trap is more realistic btw.
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That's probably why you don't own one.
        lol

        Harsh welcome for a new member Click here to enlarge

        I think if you drive at such an event, you're aware that you'll deal with highly modified cars, some of which are no longer daily driven. No reason to trash the Lambo afterwards Click here to enlarge
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        If my Carrera GT and Enzo both lose to a Mustang I'd ask him to then race a lap on the roadcourse just for fun. Then we'd go to dinner and discuss the results. He'd be bringing his Taco Bell to my table at Morton's and his car would not be put up front with mine to display the level of clientele dining, it would be parked out back where the help parks. Sometimes you win depending on the setting and one of these is harder to win at than the other.
      1. Sledgehammer's Avatar
        Sledgehammer -
        It amazes me sometimes... The cost to performance ratio is certainly a rational conversation. But ultimately a Lambo is just an entirely different level of vehicle as compared to most anything else shy of other exotic. Its a good run and a nice showing for the 3 series.
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        Touche Sleeper, your comments although funny at times makes me wonder your persona LOL. I was pulling your leg LOL Sorry u took offense to this but I beleive my English writting at times intercedes with my Spanish and at times i dont come clear as i am supposed to.Oh BTW the your assumptions of GAY innuendos does not bother me on the contrary again I access what you feel about them LOL. But, c'est la vie mon ami!

        Sticky I would be on the same boat as you wrote above. I beat a JB4 335 in the trap speed and the owner did not want to talk to me, he couldnt beleive a DIESEL did better trap speed than he did and he had the latest JB mods downloaded the nite prior to the race, man i was laughing to the bank I found it funny though since we were accuaintences not friends. BTW let me know your arrival dates if so.
      1. SleepersOwn's Avatar
        SleepersOwn -

        Ah, never saw those. I think TRC may have recorded some at the track but I forget. I referred to dragtimes http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...ag-Racing.html

        There is one that traps 129 but it doesn't show an owner or any 1/8th mile info but, 2 560's and 1 superleggera running 122-123. I guess that's why many people have gripes with mag times vs real world. I usually don't as they're for the most part pretty similar to what avg owners run. 7-8 mph however is a substantial difference. But, as I said, either way it's a fast 335 as the lambo is no slouch.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SleepersOwn Click here to enlarge
        Ah, never saw those. I think TRC may have recorded some at the track but I forget. I referred to dragtimes http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...ag-Racing.html

        There is one that traps 129 but it doesn't show an owner or any 1/8th mile info but, 2 560's and 1 superleggera running 122-123. I guess that's why many people have gripes with mag times vs real world. I usually don't as they're for the most part pretty similar to what avg owners run. 7-8 mph however is a substantial difference. But, as I said, either way it's a fast 335 as the lambo is no slouch.
        Mag times are often inflated especially for the higher end cars. Ferrari loves to do this.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
        Like i said PUNKED, cause look at the cost of each car and frankly saying I would be kind of EMBARASSED to even have another car keep up with me since my car is over $100k
        Think it's safe to say that anybody that owns a Lambo has deep pockets, so if he really felt "punked", he could easily go home, call UGR & cut them a check for $xxxxxx and get anywhere between 650 WHP - 1700 WHP. And then at that point there's like 4 cars that are gonna keep up with you:
        1. Another Turbo'd Lambo
        2. Heavily Modified GTR
        3. Heavily Modified Supra
        4. Bugatti Veyron
      1. bubu's Avatar
        bubu -
        There is a bit of mis-information regarding this video. I ran against this Galardo in my E92 SC'd M3 at the same event.

        First, its a LP570-4 Superleggera...not an LP560. I had not heard it was tuned, the owner said it was stock when I talked to him a few times over the 2 days and I could swear he said it was a 570.

        Second, this car pulled like a freight train up top above 100mph...the aerodynamics really shined through. You can see my video of our run on youtube.




        Third, without the half mile trap speeds these videos are just a circle jerk. People rarely lined up properly side to side...ricer flybys/early jumping from behind is quite common at these roll racing events, and hard to see in these videos. Some drivers hang a car length back on purpose & gun it early...start looks even at the cones except one car is going 40mph while the car from behind is doing 60. The 335i's I ran also wanted 60mph starts (where as the norm was 40) due to gearing & traction. I bet you this was a 60mph roll.

        That Galardo was insanely fast up top and I believe would have demolished both me and the 335i in this video on a full mile due to the aerodynamics.
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        bubu thanks for your analysis on this matter, I question why the roll start we here in Puerto Rico we do the 1/2 mile run from a DEAD start!!! I cannot COMPRENDO this from you guys in the states doesnt make sense to me someone explain it to me, gracias!!
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
        bubu thanks for your analysis on this matter, I question why the roll start we here in Puerto Rico we do the 1/2 mile run from a DEAD start!!! I cannot COMPRENDO this from you guys in the states doesnt make sense to me someone explain it to me, gracias!!
        Starting from a stop puts even more variables in the game and gives a HUGE advantage for four wheel drive cars.
      1. Puerto Rican 335d's Avatar
        Puerto Rican 335d -
        Autobahn very true but HOW many 4x4 were at the event, AUDI maybe? Isnt it supposed to be from dead start, advantage is ONLY given to the best driver when launching and keeping ahead, I believe so of the race!
      1. Autobahn335i's Avatar
        Autobahn335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d Click here to enlarge
        Autobahn very true but HOW many 4x4 were at the event, AUDI maybe? Isnt it supposed to be from dead start, advantage is ONLY given to the best driver when launching and keeping ahead, I believe so of the race!
        Audis, Lambos, GT-Rs...plenty Click here to enlarge

        The purpose of these events is mainly to compare the cars/tuning, not the drivers.
      1. bobS's Avatar
        bobS -
        I don't know about the model of lambo, but that start looked and sounded very even to me. There is also a vid on here of a RB 135 beating a m3 Vt2-625...and on that vid the m looks to have a slight jump (IMO).

        RB 335/135's are quick, I'm not surprised with the outcome of this race.
      1. bubu's Avatar
        bubu -
        bobS, I think there is a key point that a lot of N54/N55 fans are are overlooking when talking about the 335/135's running 500whp+ beating up on a LP570...RELIABILITY Click here to enlarge. What is the expected life of these engines? Granted blowing up a n54/n55 motor is not nearly as painful on the pocketbook as an S65 or the lambo v10 motor.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bubu Click here to enlarge
        bobS, I think there is a key point that a lot of N54/N55 fans are are overlooking when talking about the 335/135's running 500whp+ beating up on a LP570...RELIABILITY. What is the expected life of these engines? Granted blowing up a n54/n55 motor is not nearly as painful on the pocketbook as an S65 or the lambo v10 motor.
        The N54 motor (in itself) has proven to be nearly bulletproof, especially when compared to the S65's rod bearing headaches (we can argue about the N54 problems with the HPFP/LPFP & Injectors). SOOO I'm not so sure where your "reliability" concerns are coming from on a car with a stock motor + a stock housing sized turbo? Click here to enlarge You can strictly look at Terry's engine, which has been heavily abused & held up until the trans died and over rev'd the engine (which caused the internal failure).

        I mean, you can even look at the Vargas Stage 3 GTX Turbos on a stock motor are putting out ~600 WHP on 91 + Meth. And because that's a TT setup (compared to the Vishnu/FFTEC single), there's a lot more stress on the motor with the immense amount of low-end TQ generated by the twins.
      1. LostMarine's Avatar
        LostMarine -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by benzy89 Click here to enlarge
        The N54 motor (in itself) has proven to be nearly bulletproof, especially when compared to the S65's rod bearing headaches (we can argue about the N54 problems with the HPFP/LPFP & Injectors). SOOO I'm not so sure where your "reliability" concerns are coming from on a car with a stock motor + a stock housing sized turbo? Click here to enlarge You can strictly look at Terry's engine, which has been heavily abused & held up until the trans died and over rev'd the engine (which caused the internal failure).

        I mean, you can even look at the Vargas Stage 3 GTX Turbos on a stock motor are putting out ~600 WHP on 91 + Meth. And because that's a TT setup (compared to the Vishnu/FFTEC single), there's a lot more stress on the motor with the immense amount of low-end TQ generated by the twins.
        i dont think we can conclude anything about the n54 since noone has run over 550 rwhp for any real amount of time. can it handle a few 6xx hp pulls, sure, but we havent seen anything substabtial yet
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        i dont think we can conclude anything about the n54 since noone has run over 550 rwhp for any real amount of time. can it handle a few 6xx hp pulls, sure, but we havent seen anything substabtial yet
        Fair -- But I don't think anyone anticipated nearly a 300 WHP gain over stock, be heavily abused & still not have to crack open the motor