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    • Deflating an F10 M5 owner's ego - Weistec Stage III superchargerd C63 AMG Black Series smacks down an F10 M5

      This is a pretty telling video. Warning, it gets ugly for the M5. So if you are an F10 M5 owner perhaps you should just go on M5board instead and have Gustav pat you on your back and tell you that you have the fastest sedan in the world and that everything will be fine. It's amazing how lopsided this race is considering the F10 M5 dynos in the low 500 wheel horsepower range stock but that does not help mask its simply big fat 4300+ pound butt.

      The C63 AMG Black Series has the Weistec Stage III 3.0 liter blower with 11 psi of boost producing somewhere in the 650 wheel horsepower range. The F10 M5 is stock and well, that shows. Maybe stock M5's are faster in Sweden? Enjoy the video.




      This article was originally published in forum thread: Anal Raping Of An F10:M5 By A Weistec C 63 Black Series WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT started by JRCART View original post
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      1. funkmobster's Avatar
        funkmobster -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        Still have trouble seeing the point of straightline or drag racing. It's automotive premature ejaculation, it's over in seconds. Even the stock M5 will kill an AMG black when there's turns involved, AMG's tend to take turns about as well as a cruise ship.
        I don't see the point of this thread at all , but i guess Sticky just gets hard about anything related to his Swedish friend.

        Now can we get some quality threads and discussions instead of this "OMG my car raped this M5" crap?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        here is another thing I don't quite understand... how does an RB 335i beat a 458 and then nearly lose to an M5? there is sketchiness all around going on with these roll races?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=WHYOhHtZ790
        Cult of BMW there...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by funkmobster Click here to enlarge
        I don't see the point of this thread at all
        Why not? Did you think the difference was this big? You knew it? You somehow foresaw this outcome? You know the exact difference between these cars because so many F10 M5's and supercharged AMG's are out there racing?

        Appreciate the info and data.

        If you don't like it go read a different thread.
      1. funkmobster's Avatar
        funkmobster -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        here is another thing I don't quite understand... how does an RB 335i beat a 458 and then nearly lose to an M5? there is sketchiness all around going on with these roll races?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=WHYOhHtZ790
        Exactly , i remember that one. So an RB335I beats the 458 , yet that 458 puts many car lenghts on the M5 ( the father was driving the grey M5 , the son the 458)
        And in that Shift sector video the RB335I is neck to neck with the M5.

        I think everybody should take these runs with a grain of salt. It's almost as worse as Nurnbergring times.
      1. pjinca's Avatar
        pjinca -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why not? Did you think the difference was this big? You knew it? You somehow foresaw this outcome? You know the exact difference between these cars because so many F10 M5's and supercharged AMG's are out there racing?

        Appreciate the info and data.

        If you don't like it go read a different thread.
        The data would be good if it were even close to an equal race, this guy might as well have raced a 1991 Ford Escort and pound his puny chest at that.
        A highly modded version of a factory modded car against a bone stock car and this is something to brag about?
        Well hell, I should video it the next time I beat a Toyota Yaris from a red light if that's supposed to be impressive.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by funkmobster Click here to enlarge
        Exactly , i remember that one. So an RB335I beats the 458 , yet that 458 puts many car lenghts on the M5 ( the father was driving the grey M5 , the son the 458)
        And in that Shift sector video the RB335I is neck to neck with the M5.

        I think everybody should take these runs with a grain of salt. It's almost as worse as Nurnbergring times.
        There really is only one explanation... either some of these cars are tuned and others aren't and no one is admitting it... or some people cant shift DCTs for some reason because some of this stuff makes no sense...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        The data would be good if it were even close to an equal race,
        Why does it have to be close to be good data? A blowout like this tells you a lot about both cars. Kind of like how a blowout tells you about a team in sports, right?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        this guy might as well have raced a 1991 Ford Escort and pound his puny chest at that.
        Not as valid as an F10 M5 which is brand new right?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        A highly modded version of a factory modded car against a bone stock car and this is something to brag about?
        Weren't 335 owners just doing that regarding the 458? So which is it?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        Well hell, I should video it the next time I beat a Toyota Yaris from a red light if that's supposed to be impressive.
        The problem is nobody gives a crap about a Toyota Yaris. An F10 M5 people do care about however.
      1. Legionofboom's Avatar
        Legionofboom -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge

        Weren't 335 owners just doing that regarding the 458? So which is it?
        Quoted from my post in the other thread.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90SoFlo Click here to enlarge
        This thread is just like the Stage 3 C63 vs stock M5 thread.

        The only difference is that the "race" car (if 8k in mod's make it that) is 1/4 the price of the 458. Rather than the other way around.
        The only difference is that vs the 458 you're racing a "exotic" that is worth 4x more, with a car that has maybe 10k in mods?

        Vs

        M5 (which is a sport sedan) with a car that has $15K in a supercharger, + whatever else mod's he has.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        I am not buying any of these shift sector videos... sorry... either the owners are doggin their cars or something else in terms of modding is going on here.

        An RB and Meth 335i beats a 458 Italia yet can't beat a stock F10 M5? Shiv's single barely beat a 458 so in theory an M5 is close to the single turbo 335i? Sorry... announced trap speeds dont add up here... IND got a stock M5 to go 120... everyone knows most RB and Meth 335s trap ~125 and Italia's trap close to 130 which is what shiv's car did... nothing adds up and I want an explanation.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        An RB and Meth 335i beats a 458 Italia yet can't beat a stock F10 M5? Shiv's single barely beat a 458 so in theory an M5 is close to the single turbo 335i? Sorry... announced trap speeds dont add up here... IND got a stock M5 to go 120... everyone knows most RB and Meth 335s trap ~125 and Italia's trap close to 130 which is what shiv's car did... nothing adds up and I want an explanation.
        The Gustav effect.
      1. M3_WC's Avatar
        M3_WC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I'm sorry didn't you just one post ago say the M5 would beat the Black Series in turns? Yet I just posted a comparison where the C Black Series MURDERS anything BMW has. It wasn't even close.
        Yes he did. His baseless statement was the very definition of a fanboy.

        Some people literally have no clue.
      1. pjinca's Avatar
        pjinca -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
        Yes he did. His baseless statement was the very definition of a fanboy.

        Some people literally have no clue.
        Agreed, I have loved BMW's for many years. So yes, in this case I have no problem with the term "fanboy". Still, the "race" that is being called an "anal raping" of an F10 M5 is more of a joke. So the whole idea gets a big "YAWN". It isn't even close in cost, the F10 M5 maxes out at $117k, the C63 Black? $150 base price and the guy spent more than $15k on mods on top of that. So yeah, it is about the equivalent of my 550 vs a Yaris.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        So yes, in this case I have no problem with the term "fanboy".
        That's fine but you were quite wrong on several major points...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        It isn't even close in cost, the F10 M5 maxes out at $117k, the C63 Black? $150 base price and the guy spent more than $15k on mods on top of that. So yeah, it is about the equivalent of my 550 vs a Yaris.
        Since when has BMW M and Mercedes AMG been about bang for the buck? Let's get a Mustang and beat them all. The thing is M and AMG ARE direct competitors. And BMW continues to offer less, and less, and less competition.
      1. pjinca's Avatar
        pjinca -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Since when has BMW M and Mercedes AMG been about bang for the buck? Let's get a Mustang and beat them all. The thing is M and AMG ARE direct competitors. And BMW continues to offer less, and less, and less competition.
        1) Mustangs can be modded to beat them in a straight line, but again, that bores the sh** out of me. Mustangs cannot be modded (without changing that ridiculous live axle rear) to beat them in turns. Any idiot can go fast straight (especially for less than 11 secs), go fast consistently for 60 laps and we can agree on skill level.

        2) We are not talking about AMG vs M directly, the base C63 AMG stock vs stock F10 M5 will get killed. The Black edition is NOT a direct M competitor, they are more direct competitors of the Ferraris, Lambos, etc. They are AMG's attempt to reach Hyper car status, which they did with the SLS.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        Mustangs cannot be modded (without changing that ridiculous live axle rear) to beat them in turns.
        Sorry, wrong again.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        Any idiot can go fast straight (especially for less than 11 secs), go fast consistently for 60 laps and we can agree on skill level.
        Once again, there is considerable skill in drag racing and in the engineering to get cars to these high power levels.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        We are not talking about AMG vs M directly, the base C63 AMG stock vs stock F10 M5 will get killed
        Do you read the site?

        http://www.benzboost.com/content.php...-1-2-mile-race

        That car is cheaper than the M5 too, what's your argument now?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        The Black edition is NOT a direct M competitor, they are more direct competitors of the Ferraris, Lambos, etc.
        You do realize the Black Series is more about track performance than raw straightline right? The C63 Black Series isn't all that much faster if any than a P31 C63.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        They are AMG's attempt to reach Hyper car status, which they did with the SLS.
        The words hypercar is invented nonsense that just sounds awkward to me but regardless the SLS Black Series is quite simply the Black Series version of the AMG SLS.

        Sorry man, but you're way off about a whole lot of things and have made some large glaring errors so far.
      1. pjinca's Avatar
        pjinca -
        The only place I know of where the C63 Black, Mustang, and M5 were all tested on the same track reveals I am not that far off:
        TopGear lap times:
        01:21.0 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series

        2013 BMW F10 M5 = 1:22.3


        01:24.9 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG


        01:30.0 Ford Shelby GT500

        Seems the Mustang (and a SHelby at that) is not that great when turning, 8 secs slower than an F10 M5, 9 sloweer than the C63.
        Not that far off am I really?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        The only place I know of where the C63 Black, Mustang, and M5 were all tested on the same track reveals I am not that far off:
        TopGear lap times:
        01:21.0 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series

        2013 BMW F10 M5 = 1:22.3


        01:24.9 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG


        01:30.0 Ford Shelby GT500

        Seems the Mustang (and a SHelby at that) is not that great when turning, 8 secs slower than an F10 M5, 9 sloweer than the C63.
        Not that far off am I really?
        And this has what to do with the Black Series you mentioned as not being able to hang with the M5?

        Also Check Boss 302 laptimes compared to the M's, you may learn something.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by pjinca Click here to enlarge
        LOL, yes really, I see zero skill in going fast straight. All you gotta do is hang on, wow, impressive.
        I do agree the F10 M5 is the most bloated M ever, yet despite this it is still faster straight or going through turns than the E60 M5. If an F10 M5 driver put $15k in mods on his car the race would be a LOT closer. Black edition cars are lightened and factory modded versions of regular AMG cars, not exactly apples to apples.
        Drag racing was started by Americans because American cars can't turn, they can ONLY go fast in a straight line, and the idea that John Force is a better driver than Ayrton Senna? Please, there is no comparing the skill sets.
        Very fitting you have a line about human stupidity in your sig with this post...

        First of all the CLK Black Series AND the C Black Series are heavier than the normal cars. That's what happens when you add lots of cooling for track duty - get your facts straight.

        Really ??? Americans can ONLY go fast in a straight line and don't know how to road race ?? Try telling that to Sam Posey, Roger Penske, Danny Ongais, Mario Andretti, Boris Said, Skip Barber, Bob Bondurant, Eddie Cheever, Mark Donahue, Phil Hill, Dan Gurney, Bobby Rahal, Graham Rahal, Bob Akins, Scott Speed, Danny Sullivan, Bill Auberlen, Joey Hand.....The list goes on but you wouldn't know that cause your an IDIOT.
      1. LZH's Avatar
        LZH -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        That's fine but you were quite wrong on several major points...
        And continues to be - the base price on the C Black is not 150k as he suggested it's about 20k less IIRC.