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    • Upgraded turbo N54 335i with BMS JB4 tune takes on a 458 Italia from a roll twice and goes door to door with it

      Two simply awesome race videos here from the past weekend at the No Fly Zone event. The 335i in the video is a 6-speed manual with Rob Beck turbos and a Burger Motorsports Juice Box 4 G5 ISO. It also has full bolt ons including downpipes, FMIC, and presumably meth injection. The 458 Italia appears to be stock. What makes this race impressive is how the 335 does being a 6-speed manual going against the quick shifting dual clutch transmission in the 458.


      The first race is pretty close with the 335 just edging the 458 out up top but the second race is quite telling where the 458 gets a slight lead only for the 335 to eliminate the gap. The cars are very evenly matched and the 458 Italia is no slouch especially from a roll. This 335 is putting down some good power, videos below.



      This article was originally published in forum thread: Upgraded turbo N54 335i with BMS JB4 tune takes on a 458 Italia from a roll twice and goes door to door with it started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        I can only imagine the feeling the Ferrari owner had.
        Ya I'd like to imagine the feeling of going home in the 458 and putting my feet up at my equally impressive pad. It's like a Veyron losing a race to some blown big block that runs 8's. Who cares?
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ya I'd like to imagine the feeling of going home in the 458 and putting my feet up at my equally impressive pad. It's like a Veyron losing a race to some blown big block that runs 8's. Who cares?
        He cared enough to ask for a rematch.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
        He cared enough to ask for a rematch.
        A lot of people ran multiple times. You are there to enjoy the cars. The 458 owner isn't trading his car in for 5 335's now.
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        A lot of people ran multiple times. You are there to enjoy the cars. The 458 owner isn't trading his car in for 5 335's now.
        Well thats obvious, but its also obvious he didn't enjoy seeing the tail lights of that 335i from the first race either. It is what it is, can't wait to see more videos.
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Ya I'd like to imagine the feeling of going home in the 458 and putting my feet up at my equally impressive pad. It's like a Veyron losing a race to some blown big block that runs 8's. Who cares?
        I know exactly where you are coming from don't get me wrong. But it has to hurt a little for your 1/4 million Ferrari to lose to an entry level 40k luxury sedan. If you lose to a civic with a roll cage that is all gutted and super loud I am sure he doesn't care, it is a purpose built drag car just like the big block V8 example you used. But losing to a 'stock' looking entry level BMW has to string some. I guarantee next time he runs into a 3 series on the highway he will think again about trying to impress the girl in the seat next to him by racing it (just as an example).

        If I paid that money I would be pissed losing to a 3 series with stock frame turbos.

        Kind of like this but instead of a bright orange riced out supra a stockish looking 3 series:


        edit: To go on, if he lost to an M3, Porsche, or a other factory built car that was designed to go 'fast' he probably wouldn't care as the car was created to do exactly that go fast. But a 3 series? It was made as an entry level car for young urban professionals and soccer moms who don't want an SUV or Van IMO. It was never designed or in the wildest dreams of the designers of the 3 series to beat a Ferrari 458.
      1. oddjob2021's Avatar
        oddjob2021 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        I know exactly where you are coming from don't get me wrong. But it has to hurt a little for your 1/4 million Ferrari to lose to an entry level 40k luxury sedan. If you lose to a civic with a roll cage that is all gutted and super loud no he doesn't care because it is a purpose built drag car just like the big block V8 example you used. But losing to a 'stock' looking entry level BMW has to string some. I guarantee next time he runs into a 3 series on the highway he will think again about trying to impress the girl in the seat next to him by racing it(just as an exaple).

        If I paid that money I would be pissed losing to a 3 series with stock frame turbos.
        +1
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
        Well thats obvious, but its also obvious he didn't enjoy seeing the tail lights of that 335i from the first race either. It is what it is, can't wait to see more videos.
        Nobody likes losing. He has $ to do something about it if it matters. If my Italia lost to a Camaro I really wouldn't care.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        But it has to hurt a little for your 1/4 million Ferrari to lose to an entry level 40k luxury sedan.
        In a straight line? When completely stock? With performance that can be achieved on pump gas?

        Your Fast and the furious video is very appropriate. I'd rather be the guy saying more than you can afford pal.

        And anyway, let's be serious:



        Game over.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        It was never designed or in the wildest dreams of the designers of the 3 series to beat a Ferrari 458.
        It doesn't and it can't in anything other than going straight and even then only with a bone stock Italia once again. It's a whole different level with much more capability.
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It doesn't and it can't in anything other than going straight and even then only with a bone stock Italia once again. It's a whole different level with much more capability.
        It better for $190k more...

        fwiw my car goes straight over 99% of the time.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        It better for $190k more...
        It's worth that money. The 335 owners NEED to reference it to put themselves in context as if running door to door with a 458 makes a 335 equal to one.

        There are better straightline cars than either, so what's your point?
      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's worth that money. The 335 owners NEED to reference it to put themselves in context as if running door to door with a 458 makes a 335 equal to one.

        There are better straightline cars than either, so what's your point?
        No one is dumb enough to say it makes you equal to a 458, least not on here that is e90 post $#@!.

        Running door to door or even beating a 458 makes for an impressive for a bang for your buck comparison. If I owned the 458 I would be pissed losing to a stockish entry level bmw that wasn't designed to go fast in a straight line. That is my opinion and I will stick to it. If you wouldn't be bothered that is fine, I think most owners would. If I drop a 1/4 million I better be blowing the $#@!ing doors off 3 series left and right.

        For any argument I can say generally that there are better cars than what a specific thread is about. This thread isn't about other cars it is about a 458 losing to a 3 series with stock frame turbos. What is the point of bringing up other cars?

        Go find your average 458 owner and tell them you sub 20k 2007 3 series is faster in a straight line with stock turbos and no other power adder. I think many would take you up on the wager. I could say the same for most M3 owners...

        I don't think anyone here thinks the 3 series is comparable to the Ferrari in anything but a straight line which is what this thread is about. If this thread was about a track day then ok lets talk about turning, breaking, which car laps faster, and goes through the chicane faster.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        Running door to door or even beating a 458 makes for an impressive for a bang for your buck comparison. If I owned the 458 I would be pissed losing to a stockish entry level bmw
        The first part of your statement makes sense, it's the second part that is stupid. If you owned a 458 Italia and were so super concerned with straightline racing, you can build it to crap on any 335 in existence with just a stock internal low boost turbo kit. So there's nothing to be upset about. I'd be more angry about not being able to afford a 458 Italia.
      1. Flinchy's Avatar
        Flinchy -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The 458 doesn't really dyno all that much. It's fast, a high 120's trap car stock. But an RB turbo upgrade on race gas is in this same range.

        The 458 owner just needs headers and a tune to wave goodbye...
        what sorta numbers do hey put down? surely the losses can't be THAT high?

        true, but what.. $8k in mods there?

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        wow 2 car win not bad for a car you can buy for sub 20k with upgraded stock turbos. I can only imagine the feeling the Ferrari owner had.
        yeah, can't be happy driving home in that thing, tough life hey Click here to enlarge

        would still expect the 458 to take the 335 in a corner?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        what sorta numbers do hey put down? surely the losses can't be THAT high?
        In the 450's. I just think the crank rating is too high.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        true, but what.. $8k in mods there?
        Headers:

        Click here to enlarge

        Add in a an affordable tune, Eurocharged let's say, and you're golden. Oh and I'd get race headers not ones with integrated cats. Regardless, it's like $6k total if done right.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        would still expect the 458 to take the 335 in a corner?
        We seriously even need to ask this?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Flinchy Click here to enlarge
        what sorta numbers do hey put down? surely the losses can't be THAT high?
        That pesky second set of cats. With a tune 500 whp NA? Seems possible. So minor bolt on's and the game changes. Ferrari owner just needs some education, that's all.

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      1. Torgus's Avatar
        Torgus -
        After spending 1/4 mill I would be angry that I have to spend more to beat a simple 3 series, that is my main point sticky. You are welcome to disagree man. Either way it's impressive for the 3 series.

        Out of curiosity how much does cattless headers, intake, tune, and exhaust cost on a Ferarri?
        like 15k installed?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        After spending 1/4 mill I would be angry that I have to spend more to beat a simple 3 series, that is my main point sticky.
        My main point is the Ferrari isn't built for straightline racing and offers things no amount of mods to a 3 series can change, that is my main point.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
        Out of curiosity how much does cattless headers, intake, tune, and exhaust cost on a Ferarri?
        like 15k installed?
        Uh, no. I already mentioned what one could do this for, not really all that different from German cars. The bolt on's are cheaper than RB's plus tune and labor. Simple cat bypass pipes for example.
      1. trufus's Avatar
        trufus -
        If I were the 458 owner and I got beat by a 335 I'd ask the guy what kind of mods he had, congratulate him, and drive home in my $#@!ing Ferrari.