• Stock 2012 F13 BMW M6 versus stock 2012 Nissan GT-R from a roll - M6 puts bus-lengths on the GTR? BS result?

      This video makes one scratch their head a bit and is causing some rage on the GT-R forums. Not because the idea of the M6 winning a roll on sprint versus the 2012 GTR is not possible but in the way it happens in this video. The M6 literally just runs away from the GT-R from a 2nd gear roll. Now, the M6 does put down more power than the GT-R stock for stock, roughly 70 more wheel horsepower. It is heavier however with a curb weight of 4088 pounds versus the GTR's 3859 pound curb weight.


      Car and Driver tested the 2012 GTR and got an 11.2@126 out of it in the 1/4 mile. No F13 M6 has come remotely close to this trap speed. However, the all wheel drive launch of the GTR helps big time in a 1/4 mile sprint. Also, MotorTrend's numbers for the 2012 GTR differed considerably with an 11.2@122.7 which seems more much inline with the 2012 GTR's dyno numbers. Was the Car and driver car a ringer? Nissan has supplied ringers before and the 122 trap sure seems much more realistic. Owners have hit 124 mile per hour trap speeds themselves with stock 2012's so the truth is likely somewhere in the middle:


      The convertible F12 M6 has been tested in the 1/4 mile by Insideline and they hit a 118 mile per hour trap speed in the much heavier cab which weighs in at 4,398 pounds. So is the coupe which weighs roughly 300 pounds less capable of 122-123 mile per hour trap speeds? Yes, certainly with proper rubber.

      Check out Insideline's 2012 GTR dyno numbers:


      Now take a look at the F13 M6 dyno numbers:


      Based on power on paper a top end roll should favor the M6. The weight disparity between the two cars is not all that large and all wheel drive does offer greater drive train losses so a roll on will favor the rear wheel drive setup. Both cars have dual clutch transmissions. Gearing on the top end seems to favor the M6 as well.

      Can an F13 M6 beat a 2012 GTR from a roll? It's feasible, but it certainly would be close with a longer race necessary to favor the M6. It would not be the epic beatdown we see in the video below. The GTR owner states there was more than one run yet they were not put up. That leads BimmerBoost to believe the other runs certainly do not look like this one.

      This certainly is controversial and BimmerBoost's money is on a "real" race between the two cars in stock form actually being close assuming no driver error which is likely what happened to the GTR here. Either the wrong gear or wrong mode but either way this is a misleading result based on the available data for both cars:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: F13 M6 versus 2012 Nissan GT-R R35 started by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Haha your too much man, you want to compare a filled drag motor that isnt even in a real car to these gtr street cars lol. Show me one STREET bmw making anywhere near 1600whp? Plenty of Nissan 4 and 6 cylinder motors make more than that S85 in drag cars. Oh and here is a video of AMS making more than that S85 in a real STREET car
        So you want to argue against physics? Higher revving larger displacement motors with greater volumetric efficiency will ALWAYS win in power potential. There's nothing you can do to change it.

        It isn't my fault guys aren't doing twin turbo S85's in street cars it isn't cheap. But it will always be capable of more power than that Nissan V6, period.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Like I said if there is sooo much potential in your precious S65 where are the cars that can drive four hours to the track run 8.61@170 and drive back another 4 hours?
        Who is modding the S65 to high levels? You have me and... who? Fact is the S65 is a better motor with more potential. Why don't you wait and see what the turbos do? It's harder to extract the power out of it because it doesn't come with turbos from the factory.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        The M3 is cheaper, has been out longer, is also dct, has a bigger motor, has sold in higher numbers and weighs less. So why cant one of these turds get in the 9's even? Then as if to prove my point you post a video of a modded M3 that runs 4 seconds slower than the stock GTR record LOL. I am hoping to get on your $#@! list so that maybe if you ever come out east we can run it.
        Most people don't buy the M3 to mod for forced induction actually the GTR is cheaper in this regard because it already has forced induction so there goes your theory. The new M3 will be in the 9's shortly, relax. You can take your pick from E36's that will smack around 99.9% of GTR's in the mean time.

        Why would you have to be on my $#@! list? We can just run relax it doesn't have to be some grudge match.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So you want to argue against physics? Higher revving larger displacement motors with greater volumetric efficiency will ALWAYS win in power potential. There's nothing you can do to change it.

        It isn't my fault guys aren't doing twin turbo S85's in street cars it isn't cheap. But it will always be capable of more power than that Nissan V6, period.



        Who is modding the S65 to high levels? You have me and... who? Fact is the S65 is a better motor with more potential. Why don't you wait and see what the turbos do? It's harder to extract the power out of it because it doesn't come with turbos from the factory.



        Most people don't buy the M3 to mod for forced induction actually the GTR is cheaper in this regard because it already has forced induction so there goes your theory. The new M3 will be in the 9's shortly, relax. You can take your pick from E36's that will smack around 99.9% of GTR's in the mean time.

        Why would you have to be on my $#@! list? We can just run relax it doesn't have to be some grudge match.
        Don't want to troll but that statement is hilarious and shows a general lack of understanding of cars... And the new M3 will be turbo'd? LOL.... Sticky, sticky, sticky... sometimes this site is better than e90 for the humor.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        So you want to argue against physics? Higher revving larger displacement motors with greater volumetric efficiency will ALWAYS win in power potential. There's nothing you can do to change it.

        if we are in a class room having a theortical discussion sure the larger engine should win but in the real world things like block and head design plus component strengths matter. Simply put the VR in the nissan is overbuilt. People have made 1500whp on the stock block with just rods and pistons and even using oem head and main bolts and oem head gasket. People have made 1200+whp on a 100% stock untouched head. That S85 unfortunately was built with NA in mind and so was your S65. And they slap around any NA nissan motor BUT because bmw never intended them to deal with boost let alone high boost you have issues with the blocks being designed to be light and therefore you have thin walls, poor head seal etc with big power. So while if i designed a larger displacement boosted motor it would likely be superior what you fail to consider is design and purpose of the motor goes along way into power potential. Hell you were on here a little while back talking about the weakness of the S65 block and how you had investigated getting a billet block because of it.
        It isn't my fault guys aren't doing twin turbo S85's in street cars it isn't cheap. But it will always be capable of more power than that Nissan V6, period.



        Who is modding the S65 to high levels? You have me and... who? Fact is the S65 is a better motor with more potential. Why don't you wait and see what the turbos do? It's harder to extract the power out of it because it doesn't come with turbos from the factory.

        Again why dont you think anyone is modding them to a "high level"? Because as you have so aptly shown in these last three years they are more trouble than its worth. Not to mention and without sounding like an ass but 800whp simply isnt a high level anymore

        Most people don't buy the M3 to mod for forced induction actually the GTR is cheaper in this regard because it already has forced induction so there goes your theory. The new M3 will be in the 9's shortly, relax. You can take your pick from E36's that will smack around 99.9% of GTR's in the mean time.
        Most people dont buy the M3 for forced induction because its not worth it. And i call bull$#@! on the fact that because the gtr is boosted from the factory it makes it easier to hit max power potential. To make max power on a gtr you get rid of literally every piece of the stock turbo system. If there are any of those E36's around ATL that you claim will smoke most gtr's id love to set up something.
        Why would you have to be on my $#@! list? We can just run relax it doesn't have to be some grudge match.
        True thatI would love to run that M3 of yours but be forewarned my GTR build will make my RB build look weak lol.
      1. warpeacelove's Avatar
        warpeacelove -
        At the end of the Day like I stated the BMW is a Awesome car (V8 Block - TT). But Anyone can make Power out of a bigger block nothing special. BMW can't fcuk with Godzilla plain n simple, end of discussion.

        Get your Modded M5 or M6 and Race it against a Modded GT-R and see who is the Winner 8/10 times........
      1. Mikecoupe's Avatar
        Mikecoupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by warpeacelove Click here to enlarge
        At the end of the Day like I stated the BMW is a Awesome car (V8 Block - TT). But Anyone can make Power out of a bigger block nothing special. BMW can't fcuk with Godzilla plain n simple, end of discussion.

        Get your Modded M5 or M6 and Race it against a Modded GT-R and see who is the Winner 8/10 times........
        A BMW will lose seconds with shifting(the GTR dont) when racing a GTR,so this is comparing apples with oranges to me.

        The GTR is a much better performance car at the moment,plain and simple!
      1. Mikecoupe's Avatar
        Mikecoupe -
        Double.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Don't want to troll but that statement is hilarious and shows a general lack of understanding of cars... And the new M3 will be turbo'd? LOL.... Sticky, sticky, sticky... sometimes this site is better than e90 for the humor.
        It's hilarious is it? Ok I'll remind you of this. That will be hilarious.

        Yes, the new M3 will be turbo'd from the factory. Doesn't mean it will surpass the S65 or S54.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by warpeacelove Click here to enlarge
        BMW can't fcuk with Godzilla plain n simple, end of discussion.
        A stock one just did.
      1. Q4P's Avatar
        Q4P -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        It's hilarious is it? Ok I'll remind you of this. That will be hilarious.

        Yes, the new M3 will be turbo'd from the factory. Doesn't mean it will surpass the S65 or S54.
        Obviously, everyone knows that.... I was alluding to some back and forth within your own statements and googly eyes when it comes to the S65. And no, none of those engines will run 9's because they are not in chassis that can support that type of performance. Neither will the new M3 and that is what makes comparing any DD BMW to a GTR at least in terms of performance an absolute joke and you know that.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Q4P Click here to enlarge
        Obviously, everyone knows that.... I was alluding to some back and forth within your own statements and googly eyes when it comes to the S65. And no, none of those engines will run 9's because they are not in chassis that can support that type of performance. Neither will the new M3 and that is what makes comparing any DD BMW to a GTR at least in terms of performance an absolute joke and you know that.
        What googly eyes it's not hard to see an 8500 rpm 4.0 liter V8 has more potential than a small six cylinder like the new M3 will have.

        They aren't in a chassis that can support that kind of performance? LOL, ok, if you say so. I'll remind you.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Here you go sticky, for you who loves to talk about power potential let me know a street capable bmw on 18" wheels will do this:

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        Oh and btw their best 60' is 1.35 and they have more boost left in it so a 7 second street GTR is just on the horizon. 2.74 60-130 @3850lbs!
      1. Mikecoupe's Avatar
        Mikecoupe -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Here you go sticky, for you who loves to talk about power potential let me know a street capable bmw on 18" wheels will do this:

        http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...66108000-1.jpg

        Oh and btw their best 60' is 1.35 and they have more boost left in it so a 7 second street GTR is just on the horizon. 2.74 60-130 @3850lbs!
        WOW.
        There will be no M3 that will beat that,atleast not in the comming 5 years.
        Do you have a build thread of this GT-R?
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mikecoupe Click here to enlarge
        WOW.
        There will be no M3 that will beat that,atleast not in the comming 5 years.
        Do you have a build thread of this GT-R?
        Its the AMS alpha omega gtr so plenty of info out there on it. Btw they ran a 8.25@185 the next pass and were getting ready to run again when a tranformer blew at the track preventing them from making another pass. They have 60' over a tenth better than they did on these two passes so the car has probably 8.0X's or better in it.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Omega ran in the 7's today first pass of the trailer! 7.98@186 @Sticky you let me know when a 3800lb street bmw on 18" wheels does this. Power potential LOL GTR TTFMF!!

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      1. dzenno@PTF's Avatar
        dzenno@PTF -
        Omg Click here to enlarge badass!