• Stock 2012 F13 BMW M6 versus stock 2012 Nissan GT-R from a roll - M6 puts bus-lengths on the GTR? BS result?

      This video makes one scratch their head a bit and is causing some rage on the GT-R forums. Not because the idea of the M6 winning a roll on sprint versus the 2012 GTR is not possible but in the way it happens in this video. The M6 literally just runs away from the GT-R from a 2nd gear roll. Now, the M6 does put down more power than the GT-R stock for stock, roughly 70 more wheel horsepower. It is heavier however with a curb weight of 4088 pounds versus the GTR's 3859 pound curb weight.


      Car and Driver tested the 2012 GTR and got an 11.2@126 out of it in the 1/4 mile. No F13 M6 has come remotely close to this trap speed. However, the all wheel drive launch of the GTR helps big time in a 1/4 mile sprint. Also, MotorTrend's numbers for the 2012 GTR differed considerably with an 11.2@122.7 which seems more much inline with the 2012 GTR's dyno numbers. Was the Car and driver car a ringer? Nissan has supplied ringers before and the 122 trap sure seems much more realistic. Owners have hit 124 mile per hour trap speeds themselves with stock 2012's so the truth is likely somewhere in the middle:


      The convertible F12 M6 has been tested in the 1/4 mile by Insideline and they hit a 118 mile per hour trap speed in the much heavier cab which weighs in at 4,398 pounds. So is the coupe which weighs roughly 300 pounds less capable of 122-123 mile per hour trap speeds? Yes, certainly with proper rubber.

      Check out Insideline's 2012 GTR dyno numbers:


      Now take a look at the F13 M6 dyno numbers:


      Based on power on paper a top end roll should favor the M6. The weight disparity between the two cars is not all that large and all wheel drive does offer greater drive train losses so a roll on will favor the rear wheel drive setup. Both cars have dual clutch transmissions. Gearing on the top end seems to favor the M6 as well.

      Can an F13 M6 beat a 2012 GTR from a roll? It's feasible, but it certainly would be close with a longer race necessary to favor the M6. It would not be the epic beatdown we see in the video below. The GTR owner states there was more than one run yet they were not put up. That leads BimmerBoost to believe the other runs certainly do not look like this one.

      This certainly is controversial and BimmerBoost's money is on a "real" race between the two cars in stock form actually being close assuming no driver error which is likely what happened to the GTR here. Either the wrong gear or wrong mode but either way this is a misleading result based on the available data for both cars:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: F13 M6 versus 2012 Nissan GT-R R35 started by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks View original post
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      1. DreamerM6's Avatar
      1. DreamerM6's Avatar
        DreamerM6 -
        FOOOOK I cant get the pics to display??
      1. DreamerM6's Avatar
        DreamerM6 -
        Made so many videos now of M6 vs GTR...
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DreamerM6 Click here to enlarge
        FOOOOK I cant get the pics to display??
        Here you go:

      1. warpeacelove's Avatar
        warpeacelove -
        At the end of the day the M6 has more TQ/HP plus it's a V8 (Twin-turbo) that supposedly was built to contest with Godzilla. Note that the M6 on paper seems like a Champ for now. But let's make this fight fair or more interesting for all those M5/M6 Cheerleaders, how about adding a few mods to the GT-R and let's see the outcome. Because that German car (M6) will get WALKED on after that. It's a fair fight now.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DreamerM6 Click here to enlarge
        Okay well lucky then I made 10 more videos of 8 diffrent GTRs and 2 different M6's.
        I Also own the 545 Hp GTR (now 570hp - HKS decat pipes) and M6 beats me on rolling start everytime.. Click here to enlarge

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f32faoG5Jo8

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6qlGVtNkxw

        And many more here : http://www.youtube.com/user/Dreamerm6/videos
        More vids are always good.

        Any of the GTR with the decat versus the M6?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by warpeacelove Click here to enlarge
        At the end of the day the M6 has more TQ/HP plus it's a V8 (Twin-turbo) that supposedly was built to contest with Godzilla. Note that the M6 on paper seems like a Champ for now. But let's make this fight fair or more interesting for all those M5/M6 Cheerleaders, how about adding a few mods to the GT-R and let's see the outcome. Because that German car (M6) will get WALKED on after that. It's a fair fight now.
        Umm nobody at BMW gave a flying $#@! about the GTR when making the M6. It has that V8 due to the E63, CLS63, RS6, RS7, etc.

        How is it not a fair fight? The GTR has all wheel drive and less weight. It needs to be modded you say? That makes the M6 looks strong not weak.

        Your argument can be spun to say mod the M6. Ok, now what?
      1. warpeacelove's Avatar
        warpeacelove -
        You can Mod the M6 as much as you want but "I don't think it will ever beat a Modded Gozilla." I understand the car is AWD and it weights less (3829) "Ok" but the M6(4255) is more Powerful as mentioned above and it 's equipped with Dual Clutch mechanism and it's a V8 Twin-Turbo. In my opinion the M6 is a beautiful, sporty, luxury car that "Brings Me Women" (BMW). Although that being said, a Modded M6 can't F$$$ with a Modded GT-R, hands down so stop dreaming.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by warpeacelove Click here to enlarge
        You can Mod the M6 as much as you want but "I don't think it will ever beat a Modded Gozilla." I understand the car is AWD and it weights less (3829) "Ok" but the M6(4255) is more Powerful as mentioned above and it 's equipped with Dual Clutch mechanism and it's a V8 Twin-Turbo. In my opinion the M6 is a beautiful, sport, luxury car the Brings Me Women (BMW). Although that being said, a Modded M6 can't F$$$ with a Modded GT-R, hands down so stop dreaming.
        M6 isn't 4255 but that is besides the point.

        The M6 just came out and you are comparing it to modded GTR's that have been on the market for a while so that makes sense.

        An M6 just $#@!ed with a GTR and handed it its ass. It is a GT designed to be a top end autobahn cruiser. A 4.4 liter twin turbo V8 sure can $#@! with a smaller V6.
      1. warpeacelove's Avatar
        warpeacelove -
        Here you go:

        M6 Coupe

        Click here to enlarge
        Elegance in its Most Dynamic Form.
        Starting at $109,200 MSRP
        4.4-liter, TwinPower Turbo V-8 engine
        560 horsepower
        Rear-wheel drive
        20 mpg hwy*

        *EPA-estimated figures only.
        Your actual mileage will vary.






        SpecificationsWeight
        Unladen weight
        4255 lbs


        And only time will tell, time reveals all, GT-R is a Legend and Pound for Pound King. IT's a V6 kicking those German cars Behind and when it is Modded it end like this, "Ball Game" game over.


      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by warpeacelove Click here to enlarge
        Here you go:

        M6 Coupe

        http://www.tristatebmw.com/images/vehicles/146K.jpg
        Elegance in its Most Dynamic Form.
        Starting at $109,200 MSRP
        4.4-liter, TwinPower Turbo V-8 engine
        560 horsepower
        Rear-wheel drive
        20 mpg hwy*
        *EPA-estimated figures only.
        Your actual mileage will vary.




        SpecificationsWeight
        Unladen weight
        4255 lbs


        And only time will tell, time reveals all, GT-R is a Legend and Pound for Pound King. IT's a V6 kicking those German cars Behind and when it is Modded it end like this, "Ball Game" game over.


        And here you go, 4088 pounds: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...nd-curb-weight

        4255 is incorrect the M6 is much lighter than the M5. BMW often lists their USA figures with a passenger and piece of luggage.

        I'll take a V8 over a V6 any day the M6/M5 are just getting going.
      1. RNS-11Z's Avatar
        RNS-11Z -
        a s1 gtr in aus with exhaust ecu and e85 went 10.5 @ 140
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        E85 is magic.
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        they have gone faster than 10.5....they have run 9.70's on stock turbos. That's a high bar; if the M6 manages to match that with mods then that makes a crazy statement about modern performance cars



        That GTR carries a big stick...
      1. DreamerM6's Avatar
        DreamerM6 -
        Stock turbos! Not stock GTR.

        Look man, I have both! I should know after driving GTR and M6, no one can argue with me unless they have both cars!

        M6 > GTR! THE END!
      1. lvlemphiz's Avatar
        lvlemphiz -
        I never said it was a stock GTR...I said stock turbo bolt on. Who was arguing with you...relax I get it; you own both...cool (let's act like a grown up and ditch the "What I say > all" stuff)
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        And here you go,. 088 pounds: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...nd-curb-weight

        4255 is incorrect the M6 is much lighter than the M5. BMW often lists their USA figures with a passenger and piece of luggage.

        I'll take a V8 over a V6 any day the M6/M5 are just getting going.
        Dont be silly, no bmw compares to the GTR. Which bmw has run 7.18 or faster on the ring? what bmw runs 11.00's or better in the 1/4 mile? And if we are talking modified well now the gap is even wider, which bmw has run mid 8's at full weight with 18" tires amd completely a street car? Which bmw has run 3.00 60-130 like a gtr? Which bmw has run 214 in a half mile? Or trapped 180's in the quarter mile? What bmw has made 1500whp+ with a stock block? There is literally no comparison.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Dont be silly, no bmw compares to the GTR. Which bmw has run 7.18 or faster on the ring? what bmw runs 11.00's or better in the 1/4 mile? And if we are talking modified well now the gap is even wider, which bmw has run mid 8's at full weight with 18" tires amd completely a street car? Which bmw has run 3.00 60-130 like a gtr? Which bmw has run 214 in a half mile? Or trapped 180's in the quarter mile? What bmw has made 1500whp+ with a stock block? There is literally no comparison.
        Why are we talking about ring times when people are talking about power potential or straightline runs?

        What BMW runs 11.00 or better? Um, a whole bunch. Where you been?

        The GTR times are a benefit of all wheel drive and the dual clutch.

        Has a GTR put out 1851 horsepower? Because a BMW V10 has: http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...urbo-COMPLETE!

        Please, don't sit here and tell me a lower revving and smaller V6 is going to compare. GTR's are modded more frequently that is what works in your favor there literally is no comparison between a 5.0 liter V10 revving to over 8k rpm and anything Nissan has ever produced.

        Regarding the ring, this supercharged E46 M3 did a 7:22. I think you need to do some reading:

      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Haha your too much man, you want to compare a filled drag motor that isnt even in a real car to these gtr street cars lol. Show me one STREET bmw making anywhere near 1600whp? Plenty of Nissan 4 and 6 cylinder motors make more than that S85 in drag cars. Oh and here is a video of AMS making more than that S85 in a real STREET car



        Like I said if there is sooo much potential in your precious S65 where are the cars that can drive four hours to the track run 8.61@170 and drive back another 4 hours?



        The M3 is cheaper, has been out longer, is also dct, has a bigger motor, has sold in higher numbers and weighs less. So why cant one of these turds get in the 9's even? Then as if to prove my point you post a video of a modded M3 that runs 4 seconds slower than the stock GTR record LOL. I am hoping to get on your $#@! list so that maybe if you ever come out east we can run it.