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    • Stock 2012 F13 BMW M6 versus stock 2012 Nissan GT-R from a roll - M6 puts bus-lengths on the GTR? BS result?

      This video makes one scratch their head a bit and is causing some rage on the GT-R forums. Not because the idea of the M6 winning a roll on sprint versus the 2012 GTR is not possible but in the way it happens in this video. The M6 literally just runs away from the GT-R from a 2nd gear roll. Now, the M6 does put down more power than the GT-R stock for stock, roughly 70 more wheel horsepower. It is heavier however with a curb weight of 4088 pounds versus the GTR's 3859 pound curb weight.


      Car and Driver tested the 2012 GTR and got an 11.2@126 out of it in the 1/4 mile. No F13 M6 has come remotely close to this trap speed. However, the all wheel drive launch of the GTR helps big time in a 1/4 mile sprint. Also, MotorTrend's numbers for the 2012 GTR differed considerably with an 11.2@122.7 which seems more much inline with the 2012 GTR's dyno numbers. Was the Car and driver car a ringer? Nissan has supplied ringers before and the 122 trap sure seems much more realistic. Owners have hit 124 mile per hour trap speeds themselves with stock 2012's so the truth is likely somewhere in the middle:


      The convertible F12 M6 has been tested in the 1/4 mile by Insideline and they hit a 118 mile per hour trap speed in the much heavier cab which weighs in at 4,398 pounds. So is the coupe which weighs roughly 300 pounds less capable of 122-123 mile per hour trap speeds? Yes, certainly with proper rubber.

      Check out Insideline's 2012 GTR dyno numbers:


      Now take a look at the F13 M6 dyno numbers:


      Based on power on paper a top end roll should favor the M6. The weight disparity between the two cars is not all that large and all wheel drive does offer greater drive train losses so a roll on will favor the rear wheel drive setup. Both cars have dual clutch transmissions. Gearing on the top end seems to favor the M6 as well.

      Can an F13 M6 beat a 2012 GTR from a roll? It's feasible, but it certainly would be close with a longer race necessary to favor the M6. It would not be the epic beatdown we see in the video below. The GTR owner states there was more than one run yet they were not put up. That leads BimmerBoost to believe the other runs certainly do not look like this one.

      This certainly is controversial and BimmerBoost's money is on a "real" race between the two cars in stock form actually being close assuming no driver error which is likely what happened to the GTR here. Either the wrong gear or wrong mode but either way this is a misleading result based on the available data for both cars:

      This article was originally published in forum thread: F13 M6 versus 2012 Nissan GT-R R35 started by dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks View original post
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      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        i want to make my position clear here, if i were to buy another car here it would be the my hands down over the gtr, but facts are facts
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
        I would disagree. Higher rpm means more power sooner, more power sooner is more power over the distance which equals faster
        a mash and go isnt exactly limping of the line in these types of cars, if someone cares to test it i bet there is a 1 maybe 2mph change in the trap
      1. 654's Avatar
        654 -
        BS video. Also who drives GTR stock? Nobody.
        M6 is a great cruiser and looks good.
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Never said 335xi's are the highest trapping 335's, but stock for stock the xi traps higher from everything Ive seen, unless Im looking at bad info. My whole point was that when you take away most of the advantage of AWD, its not that hard to believe a stock M6 beating a stock GTR, from a roll.

        If you have two similar cars with similar hp, torque, weight, tires, etc,..but one is AWD and the other is not, the AWD car will trap higher and have better times. So comparing 1/4 mile times when this race was from a roll, still doenst make sense to me, but whatever
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        really!?!?! 0-6 in 2.8 sec and multiple sub 11 sec 1/4 bone stock cars and runs consistent all night!! Plus it's the 4th fastest production car on the planet around the ring, so how is that not pretty much all that?? i mean stock from a dig on the street a tts and an aventador is on a short list of cars that beat it, from a roll maybe a couple of more cars if shifted properly. god forbid if you cap the price at even 200k!!!
        yes i know, theyre fast..but from a roll they arent unbeatable, stock that is
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by RnmEvo9 Click here to enlarge
        A stock 335xi will NOT trap higher than a stock 335i...
        I actually looked that up before my first post, and from what Ive seen.yeah they do..
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
        The dynos and weights supplied by Sticky give a power to weight ratio of 8.1lbs/hp for the M6 compared to almost 9lbs/hp for the GTR. Its no suprise the M6 is faster especially at a roll.
        yes, exactly..thats all im trying to say
      1. fast4door's Avatar
        fast4door -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        i want to make my position clear here, if i were to buy another car here it would be the my hands down over the gtr, but facts are facts
        I agree
      1. RnmEvo9's Avatar
        RnmEvo9 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fast4door Click here to enlarge
        I actually looked that up before my first post, and from what Ive seen.yeah they do..
        That defies the laws of physics. Please share with us where you got your information. Hopefully both cars were run at the same track and the same day to verify this.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        yea the slowest gtr trap vs the fastest m6 trap
        I didn't mention the slowest trap only and I even posted a slip so...
      1. MSIZZLE's Avatar
        MSIZZLE -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I didn't mention the slowest trap only and I even posted a slip so...
        do you want me to post the 10.8 at 128 slips bone stock??
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        do you want me to post the 10.8 at 128 slips bone stock??
        Sorry off topic question, do you still have your V10 M6?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
        do you want me to post the 10.8 at 128 slips bone stock??
        Ya that's clearly realistic.

        The M6 is rear wheel drive, the weights are close, and it makes a lot more power. There isn't some retarded variation in trap speed between the cars or in their roll on performance.
      1. dreikraft's Avatar
        dreikraft -
        go pro facing back = undisclosed mods /thread
        wtf 10.8?!?
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Here you go. Directly from the M6 owner. Thank me later.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DreamerM6 Click here to enlarge
        LOL @ stinkym!!! Excuses excuses!! My M6 was stock as you get! We will see what excuses they come up after our final showdown test. You dont trust the uploader but you trust the comments of random people on youtube? It was 3 different drivers, 3 different cars, 3 wins!! Guess you should ask the owner of the GTR whom you seem to believe "why did you sell your gtr and order a M6" ??? OI wonder why he would do that if he won all the races you are talking about? hmmmm..

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DreamerM6 Click here to enlarge
        It was not staged, the GTR owner and I had ONE race not three, the other 2010 GTR you are referring to was raced at night and there were not 3 videos.. Sour grapes, excuses and what else...

        HOW THE F$%#CK do you short shift in a race on a open road? SO basically the owner of the GTR has to be a complete idiot who cant drive?!

        So over the so called BMW fans that cant believe the power of the new M6..

        1) New M6 does NOT do 12.7 (the old ones E63 ran 12.7) it does 11.8 at 201+km/h I have the performance box printouts to verify.

        2) I raced 3 THREE different GTR's (2 x 2012 and 1 modded 2010) and I beat all 3 - so were all 3 broken or all three drivers retarded?

        3) So FINALLY we got to arrange the following supertest:

        2 x 2013 BMW M6 (mine and one from BMW) vs 2 x Nissan GTR 2012 (one private and one from Nissan)

        First we will race the 2 Nissans against each other to get a winner and then race the 2 M6's against each other.
        Secondly we will race the loser M6 vs the loser GTR
        Thirdly the Winning M6 vs the Winning GTR.

        We will race 0-800m (1/2 mile). We will mount go pro cameras on both cars and have passengers with hand held and have performance box in both cars racing to document the whole event.

        Once the test is done I will post all the video and results and performance box readings.

        I think this will be very interesting because this way we cant have driver issues or broken car stories or drivers who cant change gears on a automatic car (blah blah blah) etc.

        youtube.com/watch?v=4xNBARXVdx4

        Here I raced another 2012 and this from a roll and after he jumped the start!

        Oh yes I will make sure that the losing M6 also race the winning GTR just to make sure that my M6 is not modded or what not..
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        Here you go. Directly from the M6 owner. Thank me later.
        I don't trust him I have to say. His head must be pretty far up his rear end if he thinks he is pulling a GTR like that.

        Would love to see him in the 1/4 mile too but he seems like the kind of guy who believes his own hype so it will never happen.
      1. StinkyM's Avatar
        StinkyM -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I don't trust him I have to say. His head must be pretty far up his rear end if he thinks he is pulling a GTR like that.

        Would love to see him in the 1/4 mile too but he seems like the kind of guy who believes his own hype so it will never happen.
        I said the same thing. He got real pissy at me for saying I don't trust him. But, he's saying this other race with 2 other GTR's and another F13 M6 is coming so I will definitely be in for those vids. Won't lie, I want the M6 to be truthfully stock and legitamately faster than the GTR. I do.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
        I said the same thing. He got real pissy at me for saying I don't trust him. But, he's saying this other race with 2 other GTR's and another F13 M6 is coming so I will definitely be in for those vids. Won't lie, I want the M6 to be truthfully stock and legitamately faster than the GTR. I do.
        I really don't care one way or another I just want honest content. Tell him to get his big head to a drag strip if it can fit in a helmet.
      1. DreamerM6's Avatar
        DreamerM6 -
        Okay well lucky then I made 10 more videos of 8 diffrent GTRs and 2 different M6's.
        I Also own the 545 Hp GTR (now 570hp - HKS decat pipes) and M6 beats me on rolling start everytime.. Click here to enlarge





        And many more here : http://www.youtube.com/user/Dreamerm6/videos
      1. DreamerM6's Avatar
        DreamerM6 -
        I have recently done decat to M6 also and now it kills GTR even worse.. Look dont get me wrong, GTR is a great car but is not even CLOSE to a M6, unless you plan to drive on a track everyday!

        Here are some of my cars:

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